To speak everything into existence

[Jonathan_Gale]

No it's not. That's called imagination, not will. Even you had to put the word will in quotes, otherwise it doesn't make any sense.

The concept of Free Will has always meant to effect things in real life. Otherwise you have people "willing" themselves to be whatever they identify with. And that's not free will, it's mental instability. And that's another topic.

So we're playing word game, aren't we? What you described as free will is actually human agency - the ability to make decisions and enact them on the world. Without action, whatever any will stays in your head.

When was the last time you had an EEG?

Show me an EEG with neither battery nor plug, and go fire it up with your magnificent brain power.

I do, but other people aren't wired to think well.
(That's why IQ tests exist.)
And you had to add in the word "NEW" to change the topic.
(How naughty.)

Because only "NEW" ideas count as creativity.

What an extremely interesting statement. Might you have a scripture verse to accompany that?
(You've failed to do so when I've previously asked, so I don't think I'm interested in vain imaginations.)

How about Gen. 1:1? "In the beginning God created HEAVEN and earth." Or any verse that indicates the existence of another realm beyond this material world. Again, God can create something out of "nothing" because it's an open system to God. "All I once held dear, now I count as nothing." "Lay up your treasure in heaven, not on earth." These are not philosophical statements, but a fact from a heavenly perspective, that earthly possessions and beings are just intangible codes, the treasure in heaven is the real thing.

I see you have no experience in writing software. What you are describing is abstract, not intangible. Simulations have to be described exactly or else a computer could not execute the code.

Apparently you don't.

But thank you for your derision and condemnation. I forgive you.

Rhema

Yes I do. First you copy my words, then you hide behind a dictionary, those are clear red flags of trolling.

 

[Rhema]

So we're playing word game, aren't we?

How is one to communicate here without words? But games? No. I provided the correct definitions of your terms. If you can't use the right words, that's not my fault, dude.

What you described as free will is actually human agency

So we're playing word games, eh?

"Free will is the notional capacity or ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded."​

Free will - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actions require tangible objects, unless you're a Compatibilist?

Compatibilism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

So again, it's not my problem that you can't correctly use terms. It certainly is an impediment to communication, though, but it's not likely that I'll suffer any loss in this.

Then again, perhaps you disdain Wikipedia, so here's Britannica. (Please note, "human agency" plays no part in this description.)

Free will | Definition, Determinism, & Facts

free will, in philosophy and science, the supposed power or capacity of humans to make decisions or perform actions independently of any prior event or state of the universe. Arguments for free will have been based on the subjective experience of freedom, on sentiments of guilt, on revealed...

www.britannica.com

Show me an EEG with neither battery nor plug, and go fire it up with your magnificent brain power.

Obtuse and irrelevant to your question. You keep redefining your terms when you make nonsense statements. Here, you deny the possibility of manufacturing an EEG circuit that can be powered by the electricity known to exist within the brain. It can be done, but why bother?

Because only "NEW" ideas count as creativity.

Then by your own Definitional Framework, there can be no creativity.... all one is doing is re-arranging that which already exists under the sun.

(Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV) The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.​

How about Gen. 1:1? "In the beginning God created HEAVEN and earth."

How about you quote a more correct translation ??

(Genesis 1:1 NKJV)In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.​

(Genesis 1:1 YLT) In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth—​

So which is it? Singular or plural?

Genesis 1:1 Interlinear: In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --

And yet it's pure interpretation that such refers to invisible mystical "realms" that aren't there.
(Wait.... are we entering the Multiverse of Dr. Strange?)

Again, God can create something out of "nothing" because it's an open system to God.

You do realize you're making my point? You had based your notion of creativity upon your supposed being made in the image of God, and yet you cannot create something out of nothing. If such is the case, then the ability to create and the image of God are disparate.

those are clear red flags of trolling.

No. That's just you getting annoyed because of your inability to adequately express your thoughts.

Rhema

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

How is one to communicate here without words? But games? No. I provided the correct definitions of your terms. If you can't use the right words, that's not my fault, dude.

So we're playing word games, eh?

"Free will is the notional capacity or ability to choose between different possible courses of action unimpeded."

Free will - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Actions require tangible objects, unless you're a Compatibilist?
Compatibilism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
So again, it's not my problem that you can't correctly use terms. It certainly is an impediment to communication, though, but it's not likely that I'll suffer any loss in this.

Then again, perhaps you disdain Wikipedia, so here's Britannica. (Please note, "human agency" plays no part in this description.)

Yes, you're surely playing word games, you don't seem to make any valid argument on free will in a biblical context, so you just attempt to manipulate the definition of it. As long as you post random dictionary definitions from random worldly sources instead of explaining from a biblical worldview, it's a game of making your own Newspeak.

Obtuse and irrelevant to your question. You keep redefining your terms when you make nonsense statements. Here, you deny the possibility of manufacturing an EEG circuit that can be powered by the electricity known to exist within the brain. It can be done, but why bother?

Leave that rabbit trail for yourself, brother, forgive me for not following your lead.

Then by your own Definitional Framework, there can be no creativity.... all one is doing is re-arranging that which already exists under the sun.

(Ecclesiastes 1:9 KJV) The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

Yes, there's nothing absolutely "new" to God, but there's always something RELATIVELY new to man. Whatever we think is new always originates from God.

How about you quote a more correct translation ??

(Genesis 1:1 NKJV)In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.(Genesis 1:1 YLT) In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth—
So which is it? Singular or plural?
Genesis 1:1 Interlinear: In the beginning of God's preparing the heavens and the earth --
And yet it's pure interpretation that such refers to invisible mystical "realms" that aren't there.
(Wait.... are we entering the Multiverse of Dr. Strange?)

Again, this is a matter of perspective. There're the this third heaven (2 Cor. 12:2) which indicates the existence of the first and the second, but none of that is relevant to us because God only dwells in the third one, and ultimately, believers go to A new heaven and A new earth (Rev. 21:1), both singular. All three layers of heaven are one spiritual realm as opposed to the earth.

You do realize you're making my point? You had based your notion of creativity upon your supposed being made in the image of God, and yet you cannot create something out of nothing. If such is the case, then the ability to create and the image of God are disparate.

If you search the word "creativity", it's usually referring to thoughts and ideas in your head, which means, non-material things; and I've told you that those kind of "something" can definitely come out of "nothing". The flow of electrical energy is totally irrelevant, because you can't prove that the total amount of electrical energy is any different when a new idea or thought appears, or if there is such a total amount of electrical energy in the first place, since this flow is a dynamic process. This is nothing but a trick to throw me off the track.

No. That's just you getting annoyed because of your inability to adequately express your thoughts.

Rhema

I'm getting annoyed because you only quote one line or half a line from my posts. I dare you to reply in one whole, cohesive post instead of small segments. Don't you find it annoying? Or is it just another strategy from your trolling toolbox?

 

[lentz]

What pray tell has these intellectual type ever spoke into existence. Nothing i would wager. Where these people come up with notion,is by lying about what Paul said. He was talking about God speaking into existence those things that are not as though they were. Then the t v preachers twisted it around as they do all scripture to their own destruction and gullible silly people eat it up. Like leading silly women captive.

 

[complete]

'Rejoice in the LORD, O ye righteous: for praise is comely for the upright.
.. Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto Him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.
.... Sing unto Him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise.
...... For the word of the LORD is right; and all His works are done in truth.
........ He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
.. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: He layeth up the depth in storehouses.
.... Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.
...... For He spake, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast.
........ The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: He maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of His heart to all generations.
.. Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom He hath chosen for His own inheritance.
.... The LORD looketh from heaven; He beholdeth all the sons of men.
...... From the place of His habitation He looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth.
........ He fashioneth their hearts alike; He considereth all their works.
.......... There is no king saved by the multitude of an host: a mighty man is not delivered by much strength.
............ An horse is a vain thing for safety: neither shall he deliver any by his great strength.
Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear Him, upon them that hope in His mercy;
.. To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
.... Our soul waiteth for the LORD: He is our help and our shield.
...... For our heart shall rejoice in Him, because we have trusted in His holy name.
........ Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in Thee.'
(Psa 33:1-22)

Praise God!

 

[complete]

'God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners
spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son,
Whom He hath appointed heir of all things,
by Whom also He made the worlds;
(Hebrews 1:1-2)

'And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld His glory,
the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,)
full of grace and truth.'
(John 1:14)

'Thou art worthy, O Lord,
to receive glory and honour and power:
for Thou hast created all things,
and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.'
(Rev 4:11)

Praise God!

 

[Rhema]

Or is it just another strategy from your trolling toolbox?

I get it. You feel burned, so you have to lash out. That's unfortunate. I would suggest you go back and read through our discourse from its outset. Hopefully that would help you readjust your views to have a proper perspective of our discussion.

Don't you find it annoying?

No. I've not found anything you've posted to be annoying. A bit off point and in some regards irrelevant, but not annoying.

I dare you to reply in one whole, cohesive post instead of small segments.

Hmm... that sounds like something that someone having a tantrum would post. I rather don't respond to sophomoric taunts. Do you wish to "double-dare" me?

you post random dictionary definitions

I've backed up all my definitions with credible academic sources, you have not. Are you sure you wish to categorize Britannica and Stanford as "random?" So given that you're just some random guy on the internet spouting out your own definitions, which definitions would actually be random then?

instead of explaining from a biblical worldview

Again, you may find it beneficial to go back and read through our discourse from its outset. You'll find requests like these -

What an extremely interesting statement. Might you have a scripture verse to accompany that?
( I'm intrigued.)

What an extremely interesting statement. Might you have a scripture verse to accompany that?
(You've failed to do so when I've previously asked, so I don't think I'm interested in vain imaginations.)

And yet no scripture verses ever followed...oh well.
(But thank you @complete).

it's a game of making your own Newspeak.

Mere projection (as shown above).

Yes, there's nothing absolutely "new" to God,

Where does that verse say "to God" ?? Why did you add in words ?? Why do you feel the need to add words into scripture ??

Adding in words is a red flag all on its own that has nothing to do with any "trolling."

there's always something RELATIVELY new to man

And there you go again, having to change your views because they were inadequately expressed. Hey, I'M not the one who said, "only "NEW" ideas count as creativity." So now we're not talking about new ideas, but "relatively new" ideas? Please make up my mind. It's like watching a sandcastle built on shifting sand.

God only dwells in the third one

What an extremely interesting statement. Might you have a scripture verse to accompany that?

I would politely suggest, though, that you stop getting your theology from "Gotquestions.org." I've found their scholarship to be highly suspect. (And I'm no fan of Matthew Henry either.) But you might find it beneficial to do a word study on shamayi h'shamayim (שׁמי השׁמים or "Heaven of Heavens" - H8064 doubled; cf. 2 Chronicles 2:6),

Personally, I think Paul was reading too much of the Second Book of Enoch. Given that there is no second witness to a specific "third heaven" in the Bible, and that Paul also calls this very same thing "paradise" (G3857 - aka Garden of Eden); to consider this as something beyond a poetic reference is to go beyond what is written. If not even Paul knew, certainly you don't.

But it does bring up the interesting topic of whether God created the heaven in which he dwells. Most Christians I know would assert that God dwells outside of creation.

If you search the word "creativity", it's usually referring to thoughts and ideas in your head,

Only in your personal "Newspeak."

"... the ability to make or otherwise bring into existence something new..."​

Creativity | Definition, Types, Skills, & Facts | Britannica

Creativity, the ability to make or otherwise bring into existence something new, whether a new solution to a problem, a new method or device, or a new artistic object or form. A number of personality characteristics have been shown to be associated with creative productivity. One of these is

www.britannica.com

To "bring into existence" would mean to make tangible, as intangible things don't exist.

intangible

1. impossible to touch, to describe exactly, or to give an exact value: 2…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Intangible creativity is an oxymoron.

The flow of electrical energy is totally irrelevant, because you can't prove that the total amount of electrical energy is any different when a new idea or thought appears

(Sigh...)
Quantity is irrelevant. It the arrangement that matters. (And if I need to explain this, then I'll have to charge you tutoring fees.)

This is nothing but a trick to throw me off the track.

What track ?? Now you're beginning to sound like my whining freshman students. (Thank the gods for TAs.)

Have a great day,
Rhema

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I get it. You feel burned, so you have to lash out. That's unfortunate. I would suggest you go back and read through our discourse from its outset. Hopefully that would help you readjust your views to have a proper perspective of our discussion.


No. I've not found anything you've posted to be annoying. A bit off point and in some regards irrelevant, but not annoying.


Hmm... that sounds like something that someone having a tantrum would post. I rather don't respond to sophomoric taunts. Do you wish to "double-dare" me?


I've backed up all my definitions with credible academic sources, you have not. Are you sure you wish to categorize Britannica and Stanford as "random?" So given that you're just some random guy on the internet spouting out your own definitions, which definitions would actually be random then?


Again, you may find it beneficial to go back and read through our discourse from its outset. You'll find requests like these -



And yet no scripture verses ever followed...oh well.
(But thank you @complete).


Mere projection (as shown above).


Where does that verse say "to God" ?? Why did you add in words ?? Why do you feel the need to add words into scripture ??

Adding in words is a red flag all on its own that has nothing to do with any "trolling."


And there you go again, having to change your views because they were inadequately expressed. Hey, I'M not the one who said, "only "NEW" ideas count as creativity." So now we're not talking about new ideas, but "relatively new" ideas? Please make up my mind. It's like watching a sandcastle built on shifting sand.


What an extremely interesting statement. Might you have a scripture verse to accompany that?

I would politely suggest, though, that you stop getting your theology from "Gotquestions.org." I've found their scholarship to be highly suspect. (And I'm no fan of Matthew Henry either.) But you might find it beneficial to do a word study on shamayi h'shamayim (שׁמי השׁמים or "Heaven of Heavens" - H8064 doubled; cf. 2 Chronicles 2:6),

Personally, I think Paul was reading too much of the Second Book of Enoch. Given that there is no second witness to a specific "third heaven" in the Bible, and that Paul also calls this very same thing "paradise" (G3857 - aka Garden of Eden); to consider this as something beyond a poetic reference is to go beyond what is written. If not even Paul knew, certainly you don't.

But it does bring up the interesting topic of whether God created the heaven in which he dwells. Most Christians I know would assert that God dwells outside of creation.


Only in your personal "Newspeak."

"... the ability to make or otherwise bring into existence something new..."​

Creativity | Definition, Types, Skills, & Facts | Britannica

Creativity, the ability to make or otherwise bring into existence something new, whether a new solution to a problem, a new method or device, or a new artistic object or form. A number of personality characteristics have been shown to be associated with creative productivity. One of these is

www.britannica.com

To "bring into existence" would mean to make tangible, as intangible things don't exist.

intangible

1. impossible to touch, to describe exactly, or to give an exact value: 2…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Intangible creativity is an oxymoron.


(Sigh...)
Quantity is irrelevant. It the arrangement that matters. (And if I need to explain this, then I'll have to charge you tutoring fees.)


What track ?? Now you're beginning to sound like my whining freshman students. (Thank the gods for TAs.)

Have a great day,
Rhema

I see you have no interest in discussing anything about the word of God, so I'll leave you with your dictionaries. Shalom, brother.

 

[Rhema]

I see you have no interest in discussing anything about the word of God, so I'll leave you with your dictionaries. Shalom, brother.

I have a very great interest in discussing things about the word of God (both of them). But if you place yourself as superior even to the dictionary in order to just make up your own meanings for words, this is indicative of a measure of megalomania that is beyond disingenuous. The Woke people do this, making up words and definitions that are not common among men.

You just can't talk with people like that.

Rhema

(But I understand. You want to protect your ego and feel superior.)

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I have a very great interest in discussing things about the word of God (both of them). But if you place yourself as superior even to the dictionary in order to just make up your own meanings for words, this is indicative of a measure of megalomania that is beyond disingenuous. The Woke people do this, making up words and definitions that are not common among men.

You just can't talk with people like that.

Rhema

(But I understand. You want to protect your ego and feel superior.)

No sir, you've greatly mistaken. If I need a dictionary, I'd need dictionaries for ancient Hebrew and ancient Greek, but not one for English. You're the one who chose to discuss the word of Britannica and Cambridge instead of the word of God, not me, so forgive me for dismissing your distraction.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Is this possible? Imo the mind is like a circuit switch.

Does God not have the power of creation in His words?....Did He not give it all to Jesus?...Did Jesus not give us the same authority? Yes, yes, and yes. Thats why we are told that we will answer for every idle ( negative,lazy, shunning the labour which it ought to perform) word

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Shalom, Clintos. I'm a bit unsure how your video fits in with your words.
(Which am I to address?)

The video came across as a somewhat new age rehash of Scarborough Fair with Hebrew words attached. Is this like the worship music y'all use at services?


RE: To speak everything into existence.... I would note the interesting fact that sound is vibration, and from what I've last read of string theory, everything in existence and 13 other universes besides rely upon the vibrations of energy strings. Were God to have created the universe by means of causing energy to vibrate, then one could indeed consider such to be the voice of God.

But, having a degree in Computer Science, I don't think the metaphor of the mind being like a circuit switch is applicable. The mind looks more like a neural net that employs fuzzy logic. A circuit switch would be that thing on the wall that helps one turn lights on and off.

Be blessed,
Rhema

Actually, sound is a frequency of light...

 

[Garee]

Actually, sound is a frequency of light...

Thanks I would offer.

The law a testimony of faith . . called the law of faith .as a work of faith "Let there be" (the law) and "it was good" the testimony or power of faith. Christ's labor of love that works in us, according to His good purpose . (Philippians 2:13)

Isaiah: 8: 20 To the "law and to the testimony": if they speak not according to "this word" it is because there is no light in them.

Light as the source of Christ's faith or power .

God is light and not that he can only create it on the fourth day finding sin in the heart of spirit of error Lucifer on the third day

In the beginning God who is Light introducing his own self as the source of eternal light

Genesis 1:1-4 King James Version In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

In that way as the light of the whole dark world . . . only God not seen is good ..

He set apart the Sun used as a metaphor in parables as the source of light (flipped the swtich.) and the Moon a reflection of the glory of the Sun In order to represent His bride as children of light .

Psalms 19 gives a beautiful parable or picture of God who is light pursuing a bride in order to live with him forever more . On the last day under the Sun the two temporal time keepers disappear and again like the first three days our Father in heaven will again be light of the whole world. In the end the two sources represeted by Sun and Moon become one and even brighter than in the beginning. .

Psalm 19 : 1-14 King James Version1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race. His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.1Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.

Revelation 21:22-23 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revealation 22: 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus is not only one of the many morning stars as sons of men but also the bright representation of the glory of the father

 

[lentz]

Heaven wpuld be intangible. It exists. God spoke it into existence(probably)
We cant see ot touch it,but praise God,itts there.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Heaven wpuld be intangible. It exists. God spoke it into existence(probably)
We cant see ot touch it,but praise God,itts there.

Yeah, like air. You can't see it, but you can hear it, you can feel it, and you can't live without it. That's the Holy Spirit, which literally means "movement of air" in both Greek and Hebrew. You know, it was so ironic and comical that I've never heard that from any sermon, but by chance, that's the last line in the Nicolas Sparks movie A Walk to Remember to describe love, that love is like the wind, lol.