Tough Topic: Suicidal Idealization

[Aiden]

I've been struggling with thoughts of suicide for about 5 years now, I've been in therapy for a while as well which seems to be doing well with keeping me from going over the edge and remember what was important in life. I remember one time I went to church camp and I told the counselor that I was struggling with this, and I feel like she made it worse saying "This isn't what God wants, self harm is a sin" my suicidal thoughts and self harm aren't going to go away with one prayer, I need a lot more medical help than spiritual help. If this isn't what God wants then why am I struggling so much, and why isn't he helping me?

 

[Curtis]

I've been struggling with thoughts of suicide for about 5 years now, I've been in therapy for a while as well which seems to be doing well with keeping me from going over the edge and remember what was important in life. I remember one time I went to church camp and I told the counselor that I was struggling with this, and I feel like she made it worse saying "This isn't what God wants, self harm is a sin" my suicidal thoughts and self harm aren't going to go away with one prayer, I need a lot more medical help than spiritual help. If this isn't what God wants then why am I struggling so much, and why isn't he helping me?

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Satan's number one motive against you is to, "steal". Steal what? The Word of God that is in your heart. The Word of God is our only spiritual weapon against him, which is why he wants to steal it. Satan's number two motive is to "kill" you. Since he can not do that himself he uses (or he tries to) other people including your self to accomplish his will.

It is not unusual for the thought(s) of killing yourself as he makes these suggestions in your mind. Most people ignore these thoughts, but some who do not know or understand the schemes of the devil sometimes actually do it. You must stand against the wiles of the devil who propagates these thoughts to you wielding the sword of the Spirit which is the word of God praying always against him every day.

 

[Twistie]

I've been struggling with thoughts of suicide for about 5 years now, I've been in therapy for a while as well which seems to be doing well with keeping me from going over the edge and remember what was important in life. I remember one time I went to church camp and I told the counselor that I was struggling with this, and I feel like she made it worse saying "This isn't what God wants, self harm is a sin" my suicidal thoughts and self harm aren't going to go away with one prayer, I need a lot more medical help than spiritual help. If this isn't what God wants then why am I struggling so much, and why isn't he helping me?

It's a Spirit that sneaks in it can even speak words to tell ya it's ok you should it can b very very convincing.. I've come to see that the closer I draw near to YH the quieter that spirit becomes.. I also now ask YH to take all words that are formed against me to send them back to the ones that have sent them so they may see the wrong n be brought into His glorious Light May YHs will done..

Twistie

 

[MedicBravo]

Most importantly, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
God is the Giver and Taker of life and to do it is trying to be God.
No matter how bad things get, it's never the answer. From what Judas did and what he did, you can be sure he is in Hell.
In other examples, their death was done my someone else not by themselves. By doing it, you are telling God He is not enough. Those who care for you are not enough. Even if in a rare instance you have no one, that no Christians care and they aren't enough.
An emotional break is painful all around. It may last a long time and of course Depression is a part of it.
There is an answer to almost any problem. It may not happen fast or how you want but for the most part it will happen.
There are people on here who entertain the absurd idea that "suicide = heaven" b/c subjectively one's "life is hard" or divorce, death of a loved one, etc. No. To think, one can off themselves and Jesus is going to be "Ok. You're here long before I planned for you to be and you did something only I have the authority to decide, it's ok."

 

[Twistie]

Most importantly, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
God is the Giver and Taker of life and to do it is trying to be God.
No matter how bad things get, it's never the answer. From what Judas did and what he did, you can be sure he is in Hell.
In other examples, their death was done my someone else not by themselves. By doing it, you are telling God He is not enough. Those who care for you are not enough. Even if in a rare instance you have no one, that no Christians care and they aren't enough.
An emotional break is painful all around. It may last a long time and of course Depression is a part of it.
There is an answer to almost any problem. It may not happen fast or how you want but for the most part it will happen.
There are people on here who entertain the absurd idea that "suicide = heaven" b/c subjectively one's "life is hard" or divorce, death of a loved one, etc. No. To think, one can off themselves and Jesus is going to be "Ok. You're here long before I planned for you to be and you did something only I have the authority to decide, it's ok."

I don't pass judgement on them

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

for idk the circumstances I've been seeing many youngins being bullied n beat n use suicide as an escape it seems.. wonder if those who push them into it truly think they r getting away with it..

Twistie

 

[Br. Bear]

I've been struggling with thoughts of suicide for about 5 years now, I've been in therapy for a while as well which seems to be doing well with keeping me from going over the edge and remember what was important in life. I remember one time I went to church camp and I told the counselor that I was struggling with this, and I feel like she made it worse saying "This isn't what God wants, self harm is a sin" my suicidal thoughts and self harm aren't going to go away with one prayer, I need a lot more medical help than spiritual help. If this isn't what God wants then why am I struggling so much, and why isn't he helping me?

Greetings Aiden,

I was having a discussion with a Brother, yesterday about needing help.
It is OK to need help. The enemy and liar would make us feel that there is something amiss with you if you need help.
But let us consider the truth.

The LORD is my Helper.

Surely God is my helper; the Lord is the sustainer of my soul.
Psalm 55:4

Please be assured that He is your Helper, Aiden.
You have probably read the word of Jesus to not be anxious? For a good reason. Anxiety and it's siblings, like fear and depression, is the result of both listening to/believing the lies from the enemy and also not trusting the LORD.
Please understand that I am NOT judging or belittling you in any way.
Being afraid also is not a sin. When I am afraid I will trust in the LORD.

why would God be our Helper if not to help us?
We need to get excited about this and about our Lord and God.

The more we look and find of God the less our troubles trouble us.

Be encouraged in His provisions of His tender love and faithfulness and lean hard on Him.

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I've been struggling with thoughts of suicide for about 5 years now, I've been in therapy for a while as well which seems to be doing well with keeping me from going over the edge and remember what was important in life. I remember one time I went to church camp and I told the counselor that I was struggling with this, and I feel like she made it worse saying "This isn't what God wants, self harm is a sin" my suicidal thoughts and self harm aren't going to go away with one prayer, I need a lot more medical help than spiritual help. If this isn't what God wants then why am I struggling so much, and why isn't he helping me?

What prevented me from taking my own life back when I was terminally depressed and hopeless back in the late '50s was my Mother, who told me that the main problem with suicide is that it FREEZES YOU FOREVER in the personal agony that caused you to kill yourself in the beginning with no possibility of relief.

That kept me going until I was Born Again in '63, everything changed, and Suicide was no longer even on the radar any longer.

 

[MedicBravo]

I don't pass judgement on them

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.

Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

for idk the circumstances I've been seeing many youngins being bullied n beat n use suicide as an escape it seems.. wonder if those who push them into it truly think they r getting away with it..

Twistie

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." - The same old excuse. Not true.
We ARE to repeat what the Judge has said. If we didn't then no one would have ever been corrected when they did wrong and Christianity would've died out real quick.
Hypocritical judgement is if you were doing one sin, had a problem with it or were still doing it and then told someone else who was guilty of the same that they were doing wrong.
This idea that "No one can judge me but God." is laughably absurd. As we are to learn to be disciples and share God to the world, again, repeating what the Creator, Judge, and Authority in all things is commanded.

 

[theLeadmonger]

One option with Suicide is to contextualize the idea with historical readings. The first statistical survey of suicides was a book by Emile Durkheim called "On Suicide", and there is a book of collected thoughts by Elizabeth Kubler Ross taken from patients in old folk's care homes as they neared death. There is at least one suicide in the Bible, of Judas, and some people say that Saul fell on his sword in a battle with the Philistines when he realized that his idolatry has caused the loss of a war and the ruin of Israel. In English literature, Julius Ceasar and MacBeth contain illustrations of Suicide, and Hamlet meditates on it, which produced the famous soliloquy.

I'm sorry to hear that you have a sociological nosebag in your face, unless you really wanted the nosebag, that is. With an invasive question like the suicide question, the interviewer is always tricking you. "Are you thinking about suicide." is a psychologist's "Don't think about purple elephants." neener neener neener, and I have always found that the best way to deflect someone who wants to pump you for information is to have a short essay length book report on their topic. Pick three citations, and don't call the doctor in the morning.

 

[Twistie]

"Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." - The same old excuse. Not true.
We ARE to repeat what the Judge has said. If we didn't then no one would have ever been corrected when they did wrong and Christianity would've died out real quick.
Hypocritical judgement is if you were doing one sin, had a problem with it or were still doing it and then told someone else who was guilty of the same that they were doing wrong.
This idea that "No one can judge me but God." is laughably absurd. As we are to learn to be disciples and share God to the world, again, repeating what the Creator, Judge, and Authority in all things is commanded.

Naw your so full of pride n very self absorbed you lack knowledge and mercy and you too will b judged by that same measurement.. you have turned a blind eye to much of the evil in the world to fit what little of the Word you know..

I do know that ur words will b used against you in the time of judgement of you do not turn to YH n YH alone..

Your very well at berating peep that's about it..just like he who roams the world

I also know when swine is trampling pearl's...

Flesh births flesh only Spirit can reveal.. lean not on your own understanding

Twistie

 

[MedicBravo]

Naw your so full of pride n very self absorbed you lack knowledge and mercy and you too will b judged by that same measurement.. you have turned a blind eye to much of the evil in the world to fit what little of the Word you know..

I do know that ur words will b used against you in the time of judgement of you do not turn to YH n YH alone..

Your very well at berating peep that's about it..just like he who roams the world

Twistie

No. Assumptions or statements with no evidence are false by default.
As usual, you turn this on me when you get an answer you don't like.
I know a lot and sadly this "judge not" thing is too often taken out of context without preceding and following verses. God and the Bible explain the right and wrong way to do it.
Again, if no one EVER corrected someone b/c of what the Judge said, Christianity would've died out before it was a thing.
Your response above is judgement then by your subjective belief.

 

[Twistie]

No. Assumptions or statements with no evidence are false by default.
As usual, you turn this on me when you get an answer you don't like.
I know a lot and sadly this "judge not" thing is too often taken out of context without preceding and following verses. God and the Bible explain the right and wrong way to do it.
Again, if no one EVER corrected someone b/c of what the Judge said, Christianity would've died out before it was a thing.
Your response above is judgement then by your subjective belief.

So he went and hired himself out to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.​

Twistie

 

[lentz]

All I can add,is that suicide is dangerous

 

[MedicBravo]

All I can add,is that suicide is dangerous

IDK about you but I'm not going to play with or risk anyone's soul on the idea that "suicide = Heaven" b/c "life is too hard or some other nonsense.
There is no option for post death repentance.

 

[lentz]

IDK about you but I'm not going to play with or risk anyone's soul on the idea that "suicide = Heaven" b/c "life is too hard or some other nonsense.
There is no option for post death repentance.

True. But in my experience people who are having those thoughts hardly ever tell anyone before hand. Certainly not on an Internet forum.
And that stuff will kill ya

 

[Aiden]

True. But in my experience people who are having those thoughts hardly ever tell anyone before hand. Certainly not on an Internet forum.

Well I'm sorry, I shouldn't have opened up like that. sorry.

 

[lentz]

Well I'm sorry, I shouldn't have opened up like that. sorry.

Son, every person in the world has had thoughts of suicide. If they say no, they are liars. There is nothing in this world worth getting that depressed over. You won’t make it out of here alive anyway.
We live a day at a time

 

[Br. Bear]

What prevented me from taking my own life back when I was terminally depressed and hopeless back in the late '50s was my Mother, who told me that the main problem with suicide is that it FREEZES YOU FOREVER in the personal agony that caused you to kill yourself in the beginning with no possibility of relief.

That kept me going until I was Born Again in '63, everything changed, and Suicide was no longer even on the radar any longer.

Thank you for sharing this, Bob.

Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings Aiden,

Well I'm sorry, I shouldn't have opened up like that. sorry.

You do not have to be sorry.

These are open forums and discussion is generated and some wholesome words can arise that 'click' like a padlock to be opened as the Lord ministers to many, diversely as He will.

Please understand that the LORD is your Helper. He wants only Life abundant for you. Did He not give His only begotten Son so that you could have that Life?
Practice praise every time you get suicidal. Replace thoughts that are dark with thoughts of Light. You can do it.
Determine while all is well to do so and insist on it if thoughts get bad.

Remember to take EVERY thought captive....

Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Corinthians 10:5

Death is not the solution... Our Jesus is the Life.

Think on Him


Bless you ....><>