Tough Topic: Suicidal Idealization

[watertolive]

I've been struggling with thoughts of suicide for about 5 years now, I've been in therapy for a while as well which seems to be doing well with keeping me from going over the edge and remember what was important in life. I remember one time I went to church camp and I told the counselor that I was struggling with this, and I feel like she made it worse saying "This isn't what God wants, self harm is a sin" my suicidal thoughts and self harm aren't going to go away with one prayer, I need a lot more medical help than spiritual help. If this isn't what God wants then why am I struggling so much, and why isn't he helping me?

Greetings in the Lord,

I'm not going to be at your brow with scriptures, but perhaps my own testimony might help.

I had walked with God, and fell away, slipping back into my past life and people. Then one day I found myself on the floor, on my knees, with a 38 to my head. Everything I had ever done against God was in front, torturously attacking me on every side. I could feel the darkness all around me. I was crying out in such shame. Then I heard a voice say "pull the trigger." I felt so hopeless and so disgusted with myself, I was sick of me. And through my tears, I saw a white robe, with arms wide open, calmly saying "come to me." The battle that raged was great within and without. I don't know how long I was on the floor, but I made a choice, and I lay that gun down. I cried out to God, "forgive me Lord!" tears continue to fall. Standing up, I could feel sin falling away, I heard the chains of bondage fall to the floor. I was weightless...no more sin, for I had been forgiven and my sins were hid in Christ; when the Lord makes you free, you are free indeed. Transformation happened, that quick. But I had to make a choice.

I was on the floor because the whole world, and all my such "good buddies" that left me for dead, had forsaken me. Now God ask me to forsake all that I thought I ever knew, and walk in Him. Rising up in Him, a new creation, in Him, by Him, for Him. And He set my heart on fire, for Him.

We have to make a choice.
I believe God is asking you to choose.
May God bless you and free you from the devil's attack upon you.
Seek the kingdom of God, with all your heart, mind, body and strength; crying out Abba Father, He will meet you there and introduce Himself.

Choose, eternal life, or eternal death.

All praise glory and honor be unto God. Amen

 

[theLeadmonger]

There's a common idea that people who say they're thinking about committing suicide to get out of a miserable life are just playing for sympathy. That's an idea I don't believe, and the Bible has textual support for it, in one passage Solomon says that under certain circumstances it would be better to have never been born, and that in the case of a blasphemously irresponsible authority, it would be better for a millstone to be hanged around the person's neck and him to be cast into the sea. Those are Kingly judgements on classes of people who would be better off dead than kept alive to make their track records worse before the last judgement.

One think about your life is that if it's really so miserable that you feel like you'd be better off dead, (and Jesus does describe death as a sleep, which is not so uncomfortable compared to the siege of Tyre by Sidon for example) you should humanly speaking look for someone who does sympathize. False sympathy is a real problem, there are some passages about hired mourners in the Gospels, which Jesus was against. That's a serious religious argument against psychology, it transcends the republican monetary argument about how easy company gets people on welfare and causing too many problems "community building" with alternative sexuality agendas or bringing in foreigners to take advantage of the welfare to work job training packages.

I do have feelings for people who are going through misery like that, it's the problem of the Prophet Job. Job needs friends, friends are a need. but people need true friends, not hired mourners or "self help lite" chats.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,




Recently a young man I knew, killed himself.
I wanted to be that friend but perhaps he was wanting and needing something else?

From my own pitiful experience, only my Lord is the friend Who can supply my deepest need.

Because He first loved us...
Because He lives....


Bless you ....><>

 

[theLeadmonger]

Greetings,




Recently a young man I knew, killed himself.
I wanted to be that friend but perhaps he was wanting and needing something else?

From my own pitiful experience, only my Lord is the friend Who can supply my deepest need.

Because He first loved us...
Because He lives....


Bless you ....><>

Once the victim is dead, it's completely between them and God. That's a problem for the survivors, it has nothing to do with the dead, or at any rate, it doesn't have anything to do with them so that the living are privy to it. Theologically, there's nothing to be said for suicide, murder is against the ten commandments, including self-murder. From an observer's viewpoint, all it does is contradict a few common lowball assumptions in society, one is that people who have done something to someone else will eventually feel guilty and confess. Bullys don't confess to what they've done to their victims.

 

[MedicBravo]

Thank you for sharing this, Bob.

Bless you ....><>

While not Biblical, Dante's Inferno has a very unique interpretation of Hell.
On that a visual version of what could be is in the videogame of the same name. Countless souls judged by King Minos and then sent to a level of Hell. All stuck in their most prominent sin and the visuals are highly disturbing.
If Dante had a vision and the Divine Comedy, especially Inferno are in any part true, that would be the scariest thing to know.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

that would be the scariest thing to know.

Yea, however for those who have discovered salvation in Christ Jesus, they now know that there is no fear in love, for perfect love casts out all fear; instead, they are...
looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; yea, the appearance of the glory of the great God, and of our Saviour Jesus Christ; Who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto Himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
Titus 2:13-14

Yea,
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to His abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
1Peter 1:3-5

Praise the LORD


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

To the chief Musician, to Jeduthun, A Psalm of David.

Truly my soul waiteth silently upon God: from Him cometh my salvation.
Psalm 62:1

 

[theLeadmonger]

While not Biblical, Dante's Inferno has a very unique interpretation of Hell.
On that a visual version of what could be is in the videogame of the same name. Countless souls judged by King Minos and then sent to a level of Hell. All stuck in their most prominent sin and the visuals are highly disturbing.
If Dante had a vision and the Divine Comedy, especially Inferno are in any part true, that would be the scariest thing to know.

Don't worry, I'll just upfront you on Dante. He was a Roman of the 1600s whose country was experiencing a war and was religious. His poetry is allegorical and describes the conditions he lived in using religious terminology. As an Italian and a resident of the Capitol City, Dante Allegretti was describing his progress through time during the civil war conditions, referencing Virgil, who had been a Roman himself before the modern times which Dante lived in and before the Conversion of Constantine. He is a nationalist poet. Dante Allegretti, poet laurate of late medieval Rome.

American protestants try to give Dante a miss, because the leader of the foreign forces invading his country at the time of writing was none other than Martin Luther, who in spite of being German was...I Dunno, white? Oh, oh. No, we're not racist like that, it's the fact that were protestants, or only speak English and are all hung up on and engages with the simultaneous civil war in England, led by Oliver Cromwell!

It's a war story, dear. Somewhere to take a sober course in the poetic literature of Dante is Hillsdale College, free online. Enjoy.