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Trinitarians Godheadians, Can Their Translations Defend The Trinity Doctrine Of Trinity Faith System

Yup - I've seen several versions.

HOWEVER - The Geometric Illustrations PROVE NOTHING. they're not "Proofs" of anything. They're nothing but Man's pathetic efforts to explain the unknowable.

My favorite flawed "Geometric illustration" is a CUBE: A cube has three dimensions - width, height, and depth. Every point within the cube ALWAYS exists in all three dimensions, and there's no point within the cube that doesn't. What does that "prove"???

NOTHING

But Jesus is in the river with John. God the Father speaks from Heaven revealing who Jesus is, and the Holy Spirit descends upon Jesus and remains. Jesus speaks of The "Father", the "Son", and the "Holy Spirit". That's really all we need to know - "Doctrines" not required.

All the rest is nothing but "Theology". ALL God's Chilluns gots "Theologies".
Study astronomy and engineering. The cube and the right triangle are not supposed to be "proofs", proofs are from Logic, codified by Aristotle. Geometry is representational. It is used to illustrate, in either art (art represents a thing that already exists visually) or in engineering (engineering illustrates a thing which has not yet been constructed visually). Astronomy contains the absolute measurements that you need to know so you will understand the magnitude of the cube, right triangle, and phi rectangle including the three-dimensional phi rectangle. Engineering uses proportional measurement to determine rational sizes for your machine work on the basis of the inverse square law.

I know it doesn't send like anything to you but educated theologians and jurists both use engineering proportion under the inverses square law to proportion the absolute import of either God to the law to human actions. It's called intelligent design theory. everyone has heard of it, but you can't draw all the numerical parallels rationally unless you studied scientific engineering.
 
Prayer is prior ontology (Ontology: use your atomic spelling for definition. On To Logic.) the answers from the Holy Spirit by way of response are posterior ontology. Anterior is prior, first things. Posterior is after that, last things. You pray, for guidance in your Bible studies. As a theologian, you mean to present a good and complete logical doctrine to your well educated experienced parishioners on Sabbath, and the Holy Spirit answers you with divine spiritual guidance. The logic part is your own pastoral work next to the guttering candle in your ancient scriptorium. So is that complete concordance you're producing as your legacy to the church foundation you serve.
Dear tLm, (Brother/Sister?)
Being a simple man, I see what you have communicated above as saying that the Holy Spirit is dependent up an initial request. That being the case, how do you see Luke 12:11-12 fitting into what you have described above?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Study astronomy and engineering. The cube and the right triangle are not supposed to be "proofs", proofs are from Logic, codified by Aristotle. Geometry is representational. It is used to illustrate, in either art (art represents a thing that already exists visually) or in engineering (engineering illustrates a thing which has not yet been constructed visually). Astronomy contains the absolute measurements that you need to know so you will understand the magnitude of the cube, right triangle, and phi rectangle including the three-dimensional phi rectangle. Engineering uses proportional measurement to determine rational sizes for your machine work on the basis of the inverse square law.

I know it doesn't send like anything to you but educated theologians and jurists both use engineering proportion under the inverses square law to proportion the absolute import of either God to the law to human actions. It's called intelligent design theory. everyone has heard of it, but you can't draw all the numerical parallels rationally unless you studied scientific engineering.
So nothing to offer, then.
 
Dear tLm, (Brother/Sister?)
Being a simple man, I see what you have communicated above as saying that the Holy Spirit is dependent up an initial request. That being the case, how do you see Luke 12:11-12 fitting into what you have described above?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><
There's obviously nothing morally wrong with the fact that you just go ahead and believe the Bible as a spiritual narrative. You obviously also have the privilege of calling on divine inspiration at any time in your private life to apply any verse that comes to mind as a starting point for the solution to your problem or even as the whole entire solution to your problem. It's merely that your life isn't my own life, or anyone else's life. That's always the social problem in a Bible study, people read and use prayer to find their own answers, except in narrative story times (usually for children) or in doctrinal seminars for grownups. Aside from silly people who think that the Bible can be used to order the state, in contravention of the first amendment, the only serious problem are braggarts in their marriages, loudmouthed men sometimes cause a disturbance in a service or prayer meeting by announcing how they do it in their houses, or pompously showing off what expensive secondary schools their children got admission to thanks to their extremely "goowed" discipline at home, which has led to daddy dearest having a real fat bank account. The women are just as bad, Mary and Martha's story illustrates it in the gospels. I've met very highly skilled women in churches, actually, and they can be fun to talk to, but at the end of the day it's not her sewing and quilting or her cooking that's going to get her into Heaven. It might get her that postbac MRS degree, but so what? It's church. All you're supposed to do in it is listen to Jesus Christ. I know I fall into the classics and prophecy history black hole too, I do it all the time and I find those fields absolutely absorbing. But that's not the divine service. Your church does serve communion, doesn't it? Mone uses bread and water instead of wine or grape juice. Every week.
 
There's obviously nothing morally wrong with the fact that you just go ahead and believe the Bible as a spiritual narrative. You obviously also have the privilege of calling on divine inspiration at any time in your private life to apply any verse that comes to mind as a starting point for the solution to your problem or even as the whole entire solution to your problem. It's merely that your life isn't my own life, or anyone else's life. That's always the social problem in a Bible study, people read and use prayer to find their own answers, except in narrative story times (usually for children) or in doctrinal seminars for grownups. Aside from silly people who think that the Bible can be used to order the state, in contravention of the first amendment, the only serious problem are braggarts in their marriages, loudmouthed men sometimes cause a disturbance in a service or prayer meeting by announcing how they do it in their houses, or pompously showing off what expensive secondary schools their children got admission to thanks to their extremely "goowed" discipline at home, which has led to daddy dearest having a real fat bank account. The women are just as bad, Mary and Martha's story illustrates it in the gospels. I've met very highly skilled women in churches, actually, and they can be fun to talk to, but at the end of the day it's not her sewing and quilting or her cooking that's going to get her into Heaven. It might get her that postbac MRS degree, but so what? It's church. All you're supposed to do in it is listen to Jesus Christ. I know I fall into the classics and prophecy history black hole too, I do it all the time and I find those fields absolutely absorbing. But that's not the divine service. Your church does serve communion, doesn't it? Mone uses bread and water instead of wine or grape juice. Every week.
Dear tLm, (Brother/Sister?)
I see the Bible as the Word of God, a Revelation given to man that they man may know in part who God is, what God's purpose is for them, in Words that are beyond the physical containment that is our corrupted flesh's understanding. Too often as you have seen, man reads in eisegesis in taking to Scripture, while they should be reading or searching in it by exegesis.

The problem with seeking His Truth verses our own and knowing the difference, is that many do so without the Holy Spirit to open their understanding to what that Truth might be. They lose clarity that is available to them, but only through Jesus Christ the Son of God, to God's purpose, and not our own, by the Holy Spirit. Even though our own purpose will not be denied us either.

So, though the Holy Spirit can be received in a temporary fashion, for a specific purpose if you will, as is evidenced in the Old Testament more than once. However, this stands as but a whisper of the seal given to us by Him through the love of Jesus, and it's continually indwelling for the purpose of service. Experienced by many, faked by many as well, yet never fully understood, though experienced.

As far as communion, too often the purpose of it is lost upon the recipient, and for some on a weekly basis is seen as a way of receiving God's saving grace through Jesus Christ by His body & blood in truth by some mystical manner in the physical components given in and of themselves. Instead of just remembering the truth of His Sacrifice which is amazingly wonderful, and heart wrenching enough in contemplation that it can be overwhelming to the soul and spirit.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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P.S. You would do well in communicating with a Brother in Christ who I have not heard from for awhile here, but if you PM me, I will endeavor to hook you both up together by way of the PM. That is if you are interested. \o/
 
Dear tLm, (Brother/Sister?)
Being a simple man, I see what you have communicated above as saying that the Holy Spirit is dependent up an initial request. That being the case, how do you see Luke 12:11-12 fitting into what you have described above?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

Just for knowledge, {Luke 12:11-12} happened to me several times.
In every such situation, I was accused of something really bad that I had no idea of (the penalty, of one these accusations, was hanging to death), but its case was always dropped, on the same day!
By curiosity, I asked (directly or indirectly) about the reason for which there was a serious decision to hurt me. The common reply I got was something like:
"I tried to teach/prove you, in a hard way and once for all, that your unconditional love/care towards all others, good and evil, is totally wrong in this life."
And some of them added in their surrounding: "He is indeed protected by his God of Love".

By the way, in each of these situations, I even didn't try to defend myself though on the same day my innocence was proven clearly in one way or another (the cases were solved differently and in unexpected ways, thanks to the Divine Unifying Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit).

Kerim
An independent student of Jesus Christ
 
Just for knowledge, {Luke 12:11-12} happened to me several times.
In every such situation, I was accused of something really bad that I had no idea of (the penalty, of one these accusations, was hanging to death), but its case was always dropped, on the same day!
By curiosity, I asked (directly or indirectly) about the reason for which there was a serious decision to hurt me. The common reply I got was something like:
"I tried to teach/prove you, in a hard way and once for all, that your unconditional love/care towards all others, good and evil, is totally wrong in this life."
And some of them added in their surrounding: "He is indeed protected by his God of Love".

By the way, in each of these situations, I even didn't try to defend myself though on the same day my innocence was proven clearly in one way or another (the cases were solved differently and in unexpected ways, thanks to the Divine Unifying Spirit of Love, the Holy Spirit).

Kerim
An independent student of Jesus Christ
Dear Brother,
Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves" (Matthew 10:16)

You are in very good company, in being ridiculed, maligned, by people! I do not think there is a believer that it hasn't happened to at one time or another. :(
Yet, that is our lot in life. What did the Lord say? "These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33 NKJV

Keep the faith brother!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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