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Trying to figure out what to do.

I don't think anyone is pointing a finger AT BIG.

The man knows he has sinned, full credit to him for coming to the church here for advice, that sure isn't easy, so BIG is half way to where he needs to be. I believe in his heart of heart he knows what he must do already, I don't believe it is now the issue for him, the issue is how he does it, there is so much going on in his head right now.

May the Lord Bless BIG and the other lady, may the Lord guide them and protect them, may the Spirit guide their hearts and minds as they seek forgiveness through Jesus, as our Lord so often said, go and sin no more, commit adultery no more, and may they both seeks to restore the love in their own marriage relationship.

As we all know that have been in this situation, it is impossible to please everyone, but we must, for our own sakes, get right with God.

Shalom
 
Excuse me ya'all, but I am pretty sure he has gotten the idea. Its like a game of how many people can unload on this guy. Yes, what he did is bad, but its not like he is arguing with you about it. When the first few responses came out, I knew I didnt need to add to it. When Jesus had said who will cast the first stone, if you all were there, the girl would be dead, stoned to death.
Dear Brother,
I don't believe he's replied back to any of this. Hopefully, he has read what each Brother & Sister in Christ Jesus has felt moved to post in reply to the situation that he and this unnamed woman now find themselves in. Each person, I'm sure has posted with the intent to help, and I would include yours as well, though a little less so as it pertains to the request for help. Each, has added their own twist in what should be done to fix, if not somehow undo the situation these two, have placed themselves in. So, allow the words posted to germinate a bit with this fallen brother, and see if he responds before we start chastising any poster, as well as the advise/suggestions given. Who but God knows if and what will move these who are fallen here, to turn back to the purveyor of our faith, and seek the mercy seat with the hope that in repentance they may receive God's grace and be healed from this battle with the flesh.

I realize you seek to protect this man, from further hurt, and I am with you there. However, sin is never without consequences, and I hope you will join me in prayer for these fallen Brother & Sister in Christ Jesus, that Holy Spirit guidance may move them to do what is righteous and in God's will for them in this time of crisis. Always to the Glory of God, for He can change what is meant for evil, to His good will. In the name of Christ Jesus I pray for this. Amen, Amen, Amen!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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Oh Plough Boy, I really really hope you're wrong. Like I said in my post, I'm not proud but done it, been there, one of my many regrets. That said I firmly believe that God, through Jesus's redemptive death has totally forgiven all my sins. That's why I cling to the parables of the prodigal son and the lost sheep.

I don't think that adultery is any worse sin than any other. To God, sin is black, not shades of grey. Nor do I believe that certain sins inevitably result in demon possession of a truly born again believing disciple; I don't see how demons and the Holy Spirit can cohabit in the same person. Look really carefully at the account of the woman caught in adultery John 8:1-11. She's been busted! Dragged naked off her lover's bed, paraded in the town square in front of a braying lynch mob demanding she be stoned to death, which was a distinct possibility. Even if she managed to escape the situation, her marriage had just hit the central reservation; her future was very bleak and uncertain. Jesus's advice to her, 'Go and sin no more less a worse fate befall thee.' There was no exorcism there. God is so much more interested in our future than our past.

That said, I'm definitely not saying, 'Don't worry, it's OK to languish in sin. Peter sets out clearly the perils of unrepentance -

They brag about themselves with empty, foolish boasting. With an appeal to twisted sexual desires, they lure back into sin those who have barely escaped from a lifestyle of deception. They promise freedom, but they themselves are slaves of sin and corruption. For you are a slave to whatever controls you. And when people escape from the wickedness of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then get tangled up and enslaved by sin again, they are worse off than before. It would be better if they had never known the way to righteousness than to know it and then reject the command they were given to live a holy life. They prove the truth of this proverb: “A dog returns to its vomit.” And another says, “A washed pig returns to the mud.” 2 Peter 18:22.

What's really sad about this post is that Big2207 hasn't been seen on this site since he submitted his post. He's asked the question and not even stuck around for the answers. I really feel for both the spouses, what a desperately sad situation. I'm really praying for them.

I've said in previous posts that complacency in marriage is fertile ground for Satan to tempt adultery or to borrow a cliche from the wisdom of the world, if you don't look after your spouse, someone else will. Read Big's post again and you'll see what I mean, then ask yourself, am I truly giving my marriage 100%? Sex is an integral part of a marriage. Further reading -

Now for the matters you wrote about: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.” But since sexual immorality is occurring, each man should have sexual relations with his own wife, and each woman with her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body but yields it to her husband. In the same way, the husband does not have authority over his own body but yields it to his wife. Do not deprive each other except perhaps by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. 1 Corinthians 7:1-6

Unless you have a really good reason, never say no and then as soon as that reason has passed, go back and say: 'Now where were we?'
i know i might seem harsh, i still believe the bible teaches this sin is different from all sins in "the body of Christ". I am not talking a nd referring to those who are outside o e body of Christ. Like the woman at the wheel, and the woman who was caught in the very act! They where not a part of The Body of Christ!

The Members had not come into existence yet. "The body of Christ" is a "New Covenant" we call it "The New Testament" before a testament can come into effect, 1st There has to be the Death of The Tester! Jesus walked under the "Law under The Law of Moses" He kept it! every curve and comma! The woman was not a part of the body of Christ! The LAW of GOD has to be obey. If Jesus had to obey the law, the whole law! What about The woman at the well, she didn't? I explain this in a Thread. but no one hardly listen. now about, this adultery of this leader, both the male and female!

In his statement, he said: "we are "Miserable" when we tried to break up, we are in love with one another! these are their words! Do you really understand what they are saying! Do you see the deep deception there! Where do you think this deception is coming from! you are a mature Child of God, You know what Demons are, and you know who they are fighting and deceiving , who they are at war with! The unlearn ,Christians, the weak Christians, the special needs Christians, The slow at learning Christians, The stumbling Christians, are blind to these tactics of the enemy, because of their partial blindness, So in essence they do not know who the true enemies are to the body of Christ. Now we have the "Adulterers" they know they are wrong, before they commit this sin, they know they are going against GOD Himself! But yet, they feed upon the desires of this sin, because they "LOVE" this lust that is rising within in them, Giving it power to dominate them, and become its slave, Rather than be dominated by "The Spirit of The LIVING GOD" who has pride them a way out! But Yet they out right defiles GOD Himself! and when they do they claim is not that bad, because....etc.

is this so hard for christians to understand this, or as usually they try to explain their sins away, they ain't that bad.

15Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

The Body is a Temple of the Holy Spirit

(Romans 12:1-8; 1 Corinthians 3:16-18)


18Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
 
I married and committed adultery, my current wife was married and committed adultery, we both came together in the same sin, we were adulterer and adulteress.

But neither of us were in Christ, we were both worldly, when I came to Christ and was born again, all my past sins were wiped away, my wife is currently holding back but knows the situation. My sins from the point of being born again are washed away and remembered no more, my wife's will be also, when she comes to Christ in repentance, as will any other soul that have sinned prior to coming to Christ.

This is a very important.

I have never done it again and never would. I thank the Lord for saving me. But my heart reaches out for those that have committed adultery since coming to the Lord, they must repent and sin no more.
 
I realize you seek to protect this man, from further hurt, and I am with you there. However, sin is never without consequences, and I hope you will join me in prayer for these fallen Brother & Sister in Christ Jesus, that Holy Spirit guidance may move them to do what is righteous and in God's will for them in this time of crisis. Always to the Glory of God, for He can change what is meant for evil, to His good will. In the name of Christ Jesus I pray for this. Amen, Amen, Amen!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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In prayer in agreement Nick

Their lives are in turmoil, there is so much going on in their heads, their hearts, their lives. We pray for them and also that our dear brother eventually returns to see the responses to his question.

Many people ask for prayer then never come back with any update. I feel this is different, our dear brother has asked for advice, we pray he returns, with an open heart, for the heart felt replies that have been provided.

Bless you brother.
 
Sometimes I do think we as children of God. Totally miss something concerning "Adultery" in view of God's Word but we view "Adultery" with a world's view. And that leads to a creature's view instead of a "God's view".

Let me explain it this way, a person commits adultery, that person is viewed by the world's view is: damage to the spouse and family, needs to repair this brokenness and trust, And let's add this view: the person gets real scared, their spouse is going to kill them or beat them up! Or the violating man is scared of the husband, and then the violating women is scared of the violated. In others words chaos. And everybody has to go, Children and all to a "Adulterous family counselor" or a Adulterous Pastoral Team" for counseling. Now here we go. The Adulterers are in love. The Christian Counselors are saying that "God is Love"! We got to love one another! "World view, creature view"!


All of the attention is on the creatures! You went against GOD! And the Bible view is not the Worlds view! The Bible does not talk about what you did to your family, the Bible talks about what you have done to yourself! And what GOD is going to do with you because you have turn your back on Him and walk away and would not let Him rule over you! It is not what you have done unto your family which is "Temporal" and GOD is eternal! The violation is what you did to your relationship with GOD! And not your spouse. For God has called you to be Faithful to Him and not your spouse, which is a mere creature. We are Heavenly creatures and not earthly. Our calling is different. I am not reffering to condemnation or salvation. But who we really are in "Christ Jesus our Lord" and let those of this world live like those of this world. And let us live like "The Children of God" by denying ourselves and earthly pleasures. For we have a "Greater Expectation in Eternal life"! That weighs far beyond our minds can conceive. For let us faint not under the pressures of such debaucheries that this world has to offer. And encourage all others , by all kinds of means, to not be ensnared by its traps of endearments.

Faithful are the wounds from a friend, and blessed are the people who walks Not in The Counsel of The unGodly!
And who are the UnGodly, those who leads you off the path of the Word of God ! No matter what it cost you, stay on the Path! If it cost you your happiness stay on the path, if it cost you your earthly peace, stay on the path, turn not to the left or right stay on the path of the Word of God!

Trying to figure out what to do. I say: "Stay on the Path"!
 
The good news is your "conscience" is working by the fact it has been condemning you for what you have been doing. The pleasures of sin are only "temporary" and then afterward the reality of sin becomes apparent. Continuing in such behavior has opened the door to the Devil in which his goal is to first "steal" (steal the word of God so you have become defenseless against him), and then he comes to kill and destroy what is left. Two families have become at risk through two people's actions.

You need to repent, draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.
Resist the Devil and he will flee from you!

Another thing you need to do is.......

1Ti 3:5 for if someone does not know how to manage his own household, how will he care for God's church?

Whatever position you are in your Church you need to "resign"
 
Dear Brother,
I don't believe he's replied back to any of this. Hopefully, he has read what each Brother & Sister in Christ Jesus has felt moved to post in reply to the situation that he and this unnamed woman now find themselves in. Each person, I'm sure has posted with the intent to help, and I would include yours as well, though a little less so as it pertains to the request for help. Each, has added their own twist in what should be done to fix, if not somehow undo the situation these two, have placed themselves in. So, allow the words posted to germinate a bit with this fallen brother, and see if he responds before we start chastising any poster, as well as the advise/suggestions given. Who but God knows if and what will move these who are fallen here, to turn back to the purveyor of our faith, and seek the mercy seat with the hope that in repentance they may receive God's grace and be healed from this battle with the flesh.

I realize you seek to protect this man, from further hurt, and I am with you there. However, sin is never without consequences, and I hope you will join me in prayer for these fallen Brother & Sister in Christ Jesus, that Holy Spirit guidance may move them to do what is righteous and in God's will for them in this time of crisis. Always to the Glory of God, for He can change what is meant for evil, to His good will. In the name of Christ Jesus I pray for this. Amen, Amen, Amen!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC/Moderator
Nick
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What you dont know is that I privately msg'd him with a more balanced answer, and was prompted by the Holy Spirit to post what I did. I understand you have to go by what you see, and judge on that, and I respect that, but the Lord see's all.
 
Please forgive me for my harshness. Please do consider the importance of the message; this event in your life is terrible, but it can also be a powerful tool in Christ for teaching on the subjects.

May the Lord bless you. Amen.
 
What you dont know is that I privately msg'd him with a more balanced answer, and was prompted by the Holy Spirit to post what I did. I understand you have to go by what you see, and judge on that, and I respect that, but the Lord see's all.
Hello Brother Brad,
Agreed. As we don't know what has been spoken in the open was not useful as well to this fallen brother as I pray your own private message (to us and not to God) will be. Hopefully, he responded to you, where as he has not responded to those that have been open to him in the thread he started. We move hopefully in Unity of purpose to help one who has sinned that they may do as Scripture says "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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And also, in his post, they had no Desire to Repent of their "Adultery" but became " miserable" in forsaking it! Imagine enjoying and becoming happy in their Adultery and miserable by departing. Happy in the worshipping of"Idolatry" and unhappy in worshipping "The Lord God Almighty"! God is Spirit, and His worshippers must worship in the Spirit and in truth. (John 4:24). You cannot worship God by not abiding in the vine! When a Christian is abiding in sin that Christian is miserable! That Christian is grieving The Spirit of GOD! I believe this what the Bible teaches. Not me. For I am not a teacher neither desires to be one.
 
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