U.N. Climate Change Report is "CODE RED" For HUMANITY!

[joestue]

I trust God knew what He was creating. He knew there would be a population of "ZILLIONS "

i agree with you and i think that man's activities are actually coincidentally timed with the ice age cycle and we will prevent this one from happening.

the question being.. do the kings of the earth decide that slaughtering 4 billion people is good for the planet.

here's the kicker. even if they do that, and the ice age this time around doesn't happen. 3-10 billion people still get to live through it this time. unlike last time when 12,000 years ago there were only 10-100Kpeople on the planet.

if the kings of the earth kill off half the planet to prevent too much global warming, and coincidentally they die in their own judgement thinking they prevented the earth from turning into venus.. but in the process doing so prevents the planet from going through an other ice age and 99.5% of the population would die instead...

WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?!

who lives and who dies and who's great grandchildren reproduce has so little to do with you today,

*note that this rant is not directed at anyone in particular.

 

[Reba1]

Dan 2:19 Then was the secret revealed unto Daniel in a night vision. Then Daniel blessed the God of heaven.
Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
Dan 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Rad]

i agree with you and i think that man's activities are actually coincidentally timed with the ice age cycle and we will prevent this one from happening.

the question being.. do the kings of the earth decide that slaughtering 4 billion people is good for the planet.

here's the kicker. even if they do that, and the ice age this time around doesn't happen. 3-10 billion people still get to live through it this time. unlike last time when 12,000 years ago there were only 10-100Kpeople on the planet.

if the kings of the earth kill off half the planet to prevent too much global warming, and coincidentally they die in their own judgement thinking they prevented the earth from turning into venus.. but in the process doing so prevents the planet from going through an other ice age and 99.5% of the population would die instead...

WHAT IS THAT TO YOU?!

who lives and who dies and who's great grandchildren reproduce has so little to do with you today,

*note that this rant is not directed at anyone in particular.

Just wondered why you think this, is there any evidence to support your view that "that man's activities are actually coincidentally timed with the ice age cycle and we will prevent this one from happening.", for as far as i know, not one Scientist, even those attempting to deny the science of climate change has put forward this proposition. Certainly in main stream scientific circles , and that consensus is now approaching 100%, this idea has never been put forward.

The simple fact is, Climate change is happening, Human activity in the form of the burning of fossil fuels is responsible and the consequences are going to cause such suffering, death and destruction on a scale never seen before in human History.

And we, those of us that have built, and continue to build , our lives on the burning of Fossil fuels are responsible for this coming carnage. So i feel that it has "EVERYTHING TO DO WITH US", and i think God will as well, how do you think hes going to view those that have brought his creation to destruction, what judgment will he make on those that through, ignorance, greed and indifference have caused such suffering, i dont think its looking too good, do you?.

So i believe we have to acknowledge the Harm weve done, and continue to do, ask Gods forgiveness for our Sins, and then try as best we can to alleviate any future damage by cutting our Carbon Footprint and advocating for increased help and assistance to those countries, especially the poorest who are already feeling the brunt of Climate change.

Who lives and who dies in this world has everything to do with us if by our action, or are inaction, we have caused or allowed their deaths to take place, remember the "Golden Rule" as some call it, Love your neighbour as yourself and treat others as we would want to be treated, there is no other way for a Christian to live.

 

[Rad]

Seems i was not clear . I dont believe the great escape as taught today ( rapture) I believe our Lord will return. I do not believe He has failed i believe He is building His Kingdom. Stephen trusted the Lord, as did John the Baptist not looking for escape .

[/QUOTE]

I also believe that Christ will return as he states on numerous times in the Gospels, he also tells us of the time of his return in Luke 21 and the conditions that will prevail, "

"5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, 6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass? 8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by. 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven. 12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony. 14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: 15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. 16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. 17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. 18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish. 19 In your patience possess ye your souls. 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. 27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

If you look at the predictions of the effects of Climate Change on the Nations of the Earth, on the Land , Sea and Air, , on water and food supply and the spread of disease and pestilence then it resembles a remarkable similarity to Christs depiction of the end times, im not saying it is, just that it has a distinct similarity.
There isnt a conflict between Faith in God and belief in science, for God set up the Universe and put in place rules by which the natural world is ordered, thats all science is, an understanding of these rules.
So perhaps we are coming to a point in time where Gods rules and our actions are instrumental in bringing this world to an end and Christs return. And when he does return, "Where will he find faith on this Earth", in those that have helped destroy it, i think not, unless we dramatically change our ways.

 

[Reba1]

I believe the Olivet discourse was for 70 ad .

 

[Reba1]

@Rad I do not trust the UN in any way shape of form.. you are welcome to sing their praises i will not... UN Committee on Disabilities Supports Abortion on Disabled Children - C-Fam

 

[B-A-C]

I believe the Olivet discourse was for 70 ad .

Did Jesus come back in 70ad?

 

[Reba1]

Did Jesus come back in 70ad?

That would be for another thread

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

There isnt a conflict between Faith in God and belief in science, for God set up the Universe and put in place rules by which the natural world is ordered, thats all science is, an understanding of these rules.
So perhaps we are coming to a point in time where Gods rules and our actions are instrumental in bringing this world to an end and Christs return. And when he does return, "Where will he find faith on this Earth", in those that have helped destroy it, i think not, unless we dramatically change our ways.

Thank you for saying this again. I think many need to hear it.

 

[Reba1]

@Rad @Jesus_is_LORD what are your beliefs of a 7 day creation?

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

@Rad @Jesus_is_LORD what are your beliefs of a 7 day creation?

Thanks for asking.

I believe that they are literal 6 days.

Some have mentioned that can't we really measure time during that period of creation full because the Sun wasn't
even created until day 4. They point to perhaps that since some of the creation happened before
the Sun was even created, perhaps that time span would seem like billions of years to us because
it was just God working and God's time is not our time. And thus how to you tell time before the Sun
was created with earth rotating in the light of the Sun?

Others might even point to how our world has changed since the fall of Adam and Eve, and the rate
at which things decay (scientist use radio-carbon-dating ) is very different from when God first created
the world, thus it may be difficult for scientist to accurately predict who old the earth is.

However with that said, we can look at the genealogy of Jesus given to us in the Bible and also the ages of some of the ancestors
even some of the earlier ones who lived hundreds of years, and it fits more with a young earth model, 6,000 - 8,000+ or so
years old, compared to billions of years that many scientist claim.

With all of that said, including the interesting scientific points which are worth considering, I believe that
God's WORD says 6 days, so I believe it to be 6 days. In terms of the physics of that and the deep scientific
intricacies, I'm not as concerned (though I do find if fascinating to read such things) because God communicated
to us as God desired. God desired to communicate 6 days, so I receive it as 6 literal days.

-WNL

 

[Rad]

@Rad @Jesus_is_LORD what are your beliefs of a 7 day creation?

I have no problem at all with a 7 day creation, if you believe that God has the power to create the universe and everything in it, why would a 7 day period pose any problems to him, there are many parts of the Bible i do have problems with, particularly in the OT, but thats for another thread,........

@Rad I do not trust the UN in any way shape of form.. you are welcome to sing their praises i will not... UN Committee on Disabilities Supports Abortion on Disabled Children - C-Fam

and i am not "singing the Praises" of the UN as you put it, over the years ive been critical of many decisions and actions of the UN, but just because i disagree with one or more aspects of their policies doesnt mean everything they do or say is wrong, and i think we should make one thing clear, the UN IPCC, the Inter Governmental Panel on climate Change, although its convened under the auspices of the UN is made up not of UN personnel, but of the top Climate scientists, who collate information from all over the world of changes in the Worlds Weather patterns, sea level rises, ice and Glacier melts, changes in ocean Currents, and any other relevant information, and make predictions, based on past experience and computer modelling, of future changes in the Earths climate.

But if you dont trust the UN, or the Worlds top climate scientists, would you trust the OIl Companies, who now all agree that the burning of Fossil fuels is warming the Earth and Changing the climate. Oil Companies Admit to Contributing to Climate Change — and Blame You - The Santa Barbara Independent in particular you might find this of interest
"Of the fossil-fuel industry, only Chevron gave a presentation, with representatives of four other oil companies in the audience. Chevron was represented by Theodore Boutrous Jr., an attorney with the firm Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher. Boutrous did not deny the science behind climate change and based his presentation on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Fifth Assessment Report, published in 2013. Dr. Myles Allen, who had been the first presenter in this courtroom hearing, had been the lead author on the Fifth Assessment report. The assessments are status reports that provide an update on the knowledge of the scientific, technical, and socioeconomic aspects of climate change. “Chevron accepts the consensus in the scientific communities on climate change,” said Boutrous. “There’s no debate about climate science.” Boutrous made the case that oil companies are not directly responsible for climate change. Rather, he said, humanity’s larger economic decisions are to blame. Boutrous told Judge Alsup that the “IPCC does not say it’s the extraction of fossil fuels [that causes climate change], it’s the energy use — the economic activity — that generates emissions.” Boutrous deflected the blame to users of fossil fuels. In other words, oil doesn’t cause climate change. People burning oil causes climate change.", in effect theyre saying its not their fault, because they only extract the Oil, its people who use it, theyre the ones at fault. Of course this disregards the fact the for many years all the Big Oil and Gas companies knew that burning oil was causing climate change, they just paid so called "scientists" to give an opposing view and funded front organisations to try to cloud the issue

and if you dont believe the Oil companies would you believe the Medical establishment who've just published a report from the leading 200 Medical Journals saying that climate change is the biggest threat to Human Health and calls on World leaders to cut heat trapping emissions to avoid "catastrophic harm to health" Climate Change Is The Greatest Threat To Public Health, Top Medical Journals Warn

but if you dont believe the 200 leading Medical journals would you believe the International Energy Agency who recently concluded in their latest report that the planet cannot afford any new oil and gas projects if we want to avoid catastrophic climate breakdown. IEA’s first 1.5°C model closes the door on new fossil fuel extraction - Oil Change International

and if you have a problem with the IEA, think on this, EVERY government in the World has signed up to the Paris Agreement promising to cut emissions of greenhouse gases in line with a maximum 1.5 degree C rise in global Temperatures, which means the big oil and Gas producing countries are set to lose Trillions of $ in revenue from fossil fuels they can no longer sell. Do you really think they would forgo all of that money if there was the slightest chance that Climate scientists were wrong, you know they wouldnt.

So unless you know something that all of these people dont, i suggest you acknowledge that the burning of fossil fuels is causing the planet to heat up, that heating is causing the climate to change, ice caps and glaciers to melt, sea levels to rise, increased frequency and intensity of severe weather events such as drought, storms and heatwaves and that the brunt of these effects are going to be felt by the poorest people in the world, those that have done little to cause them and are least prepared to deal with them.

We, those of us that have built our lives on the burning of fossil fuels, are to blame, and we need to acknowledge our sins, ask Gods forgiveness for what we've done, and not only change our ways but campaign to help those we've caused such harm to. It could well be that we are the catalyst for the destroying of the World, Gods World, and i just feel that the judgment to come will be terrifying for those that haven't repented and dramatically changed their ways.

 

[Rad]

And i forgot to list the Insurance Companies who are increasingly reluctant to insure new Fossil Fuel Extractions and even renew some existing ones, especially for Coal, the Big Banks , who all have commitments on Climate Change and becoming "Carbon Neutral", even though their words are rarely backed up by their actions.

And some new research has just come to light showing that the TOTAL Oil Company knew of the possible dangers of the burning of fossil fuel;s on the Climate as far back as 1971, heres a short extract from the report " Our current research was sparked by our discovery of direct proof of Total’s awareness of climate science in 1971. In that year, the company’s magazine, Total Information, contained an article entitled “Atmospheric pollution and climate” (Durand-Dastès, 1971). The article stated: Since the 19th century, humans have been burning increasing amounts of fossil fuels. This results in the release of enormous quantities of carbon dioxide [...] The overall amount of carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere, therefore, has increased significantly. [...] The increase has been around 15% over the last 150 years, which is not negligible. And [...] if the consumption of coal and oil keeps the same rhythm in the years to come, the concentration of carbon dioxide will reach 400 parts per million around 2010 [...]. This increase in concentration is quite worrying [...] carbon dioxide plays a large role in the thermal balance of the atmosphere [...] air richer in carbon dioxide absorbs more radiation and heats up. It is possible, therefore, that an increase in the average temperature of the atmosphere is to be feared. The calculated orders of magnitude are obviously small (from 1—1.5°C) but could have important impacts. Atmospheric circulation could be modified, and it is not impossible, according to some, to foresee at least a partial melting of the polar ice caps, which would certainly result in significant sea level rise. The catastrophic consequences are easy to imagine. (Durand-Dastès, 1971, p. 18) ",.........

Although the science of climate change has progressed greatly, and we know that a 1.5 degree rise in global temperatures will still have catastrophic effects for many, the basic presumption of increasing concentrations of Carbon in the atmosphere correlating to higher Global temperatures is clearly understood, leading to changes in "Atmospheric Circulation", a key component of climate patterns and a "possible partial melting of the ice caps.... resulting in significant sea level rise", the report then goes on to show TOTALs response to these findings, an acceptance of the science but still funding discord and division in an attempt to obscure the facts, often aided and abetted by Politicians who saw it in their own interests to promote the cause of climate science denial

There really has been no debate in the scientific community for years about Climate change, i remember a TV programme i watched back in 2005, the year of "MAKE POVERTY HISTORY", when Climate Change was just starting to appear on the political spectrum as an important issue, al though scientists had been "shouting from the rooftops " for years about the dangers we faced, there was an interview with the UKs chief scientific advisor about the issue and the interviewer asked him, "how long have we got to make significant changes", he answered " about 10 years", the interviewer then asked, "And what if we dont make those changes", he answered" Dont be under the age of 40" , well its 16 years later and Carbon levels are higher now than they have been for 2 million years, and those words scare me more now than they did then, for i see the truth of them all around me, wildfires, record temperatures, droughts, storms and floods, and this is just the start, for we have sown the wind and will now have to reap the whirlwind.

 

[Reba1]

And i forgot to list the Insurance Companies who are increasingly reluctant to insure new Fossil Fuel Extractions and even renew some existing ones, especially for Coal, the Big Banks , who all have commitments on Climate Change and becoming "Carbon Neutral", even though their words are rarely backed up by their actions.

And some new research has just come to light showing that the TOTAL Oil Company knew of the possible dangers of the burning of fossil fuel;s on the Climate as far back as 1971, heres a short extract from the report " Our current research was sparked by our discovery of direct proof of Total’s awareness of climate science in 1971. In that year, the company’s magazine, Total Information, contained an article entitled “Atmospheric pollution and climate” (Durand-Dastès, 1971). The article stated: Since the 19th century, humans have been burning increasing amounts of fossil fuels. This results in the release of enormous quantities of carbon dioxide [...] The overall amount of carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere, therefore, has increased significantly. [...] The increase has been around 15% over the last 150 years, which is not negligible. And [...] if the consumption of coal and oil keeps the same rhythm in the years to come, the concentration of carbon dioxide will reach 400 parts per million around 2010 [...]. This increase in concentration is quite worrying [...] carbon dioxide plays a large role in the thermal balance of the atmosphere [...] air richer in carbon dioxide absorbs more radiation and heats up. It is possible, therefore, that an increase in the average temperature of the atmosphere is to be feared. The calculated orders of magnitude are obviously small (from 1—1.5°C) but could have important impacts. Atmospheric circulation could be modified, and it is not impossible, according to some, to foresee at least a partial melting of the polar ice caps, which would certainly result in significant sea level rise. The catastrophic consequences are easy to imagine. (Durand-Dastès, 1971, p. 18) ",.........

Although the science of climate change has progressed greatly, and we know that a 1.5 degree rise in global temperatures will still have catastrophic effects for many, the basic presumption of increasing concentrations of Carbon in the atmosphere correlating to higher Global temperatures is clearly understood, leading to changes in "Atmospheric Circulation", a key component of climate patterns and a "possible partial melting of the ice caps.... resulting in significant sea level rise", the report then goes on to show TOTALs response to these findings, an acceptance of the science but still funding discord and division in an attempt to obscure the facts, often aided and abetted by Politicians who saw it in their own interests to promote the cause of climate science denial

There really has been no debate in the scientific community for years about Climate change, i remember a TV programme i watched back in 2005, the year of "MAKE POVERTY HISTORY", when Climate Change was just starting to appear on the political spectrum as an important issue, al though scientists had been "shouting from the rooftops " for years about the dangers we faced, there was an interview with the UKs chief scientific advisor about the issue and the interviewer asked him, "how long have we got to make significant changes", he answered " about 10 years", the interviewer then asked, "And what if we dont make those changes", he answered" Dont be under the age of 40" , well its 16 years later and Carbon levels are higher now than they have been for 2 million years, and those words scare me more now than they did then, for i see the truth of them all around me, wildfires, record temperatures, droughts, storms and floods, and this is just the start, for we have sown the wind and will now have to reap the whirlwind.

 

[Reba1]

2million years? Do you believe what you are posting?

 

[Hekuran]

2million years? Do you believe what you are posting?

The ice core record, which preserves the most accurate data goes back 800,000 years. Beyond that, there's quite a lot more uncertainty.

Some calculations put the carbon dioxide levels higher than they have been in nearly 20million years.

A Graphical History of Atmospheric CO2 Levels Over Time | Earth.Org

As the most abundant greenhouse gas in our atmosphere, CO2 levels have varied widely over the course of the Earth’s 4.54 billion year history.

earth.org

 

[Reba1]

I trust the Scriptures. Our earth is God's creation to my understanding He said 6 days . Twist and turn the numbers or Scripture any way your wish that is your right. As it is my right to believe the 6 day creation.

 

[B-A-C]

The ice core record, which preserves the most accurate data goes back 800,000 years. Beyond that, there's quite a lot more uncertainty.

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[Rad]

I trust the Scriptures. Our earth is God's creation to my understanding He said 6 days . Twist and turn the numbers or Scripture any way your wish that is your right. As it is my right to believe the 6 day creation.

But believing in a 6 day creation does not negate the scientific facts behind Global Warming and Climate Change. Do you also believe that God set up a system of rules to govern his creation, such as the Weather and Climate?, because if you do, then thats all science is, trying to understand those rules and how they affect our lives.
Many scientists believe in God and have no problem reconciling their work with their beliefs in a Creator. The problem we face now is that for the first time in History Humanity is changing the Earths climate with disastrous consequences.
Now you can continue to deny that fact and carry on with your life as before, or you can accept the overwhelming scientific consensus that burning Fossil fuels is changing the climate and causing suffering and destruction to the most vulnerable in the world, ask Gods forgiveness for the harm weve caused and drastically change our ways.
The choice is ours, and whatever we choose to do , as with all our decisions in life, we will have to answer for them to God.

 

[Hekuran]

@Rad Cop26 is just around the corner. I'm keeping my hopes high and my expectations low. What in your view would be the outcomes of a successful meeting?

You are better informed than me and you might help me pray with more wisdom.

Thanks,

Hekuran