United Church of Christ commercial

[morethandiamonds]

I don't know if any of you have seen it. Those of you in other countries may not have. There is a commercial running where I live promoting the United Church of Christ. To make it short, There are people in pews, and they are shot up out of their seats like cannons. One pair that gets shot up in the air are two (obviously) gay men. At the end of the commercial, they say something like "God doesn't reject anyone". I am paraphrasing this statement. This statement is completely and totally false! Here is Biblical proof:

Psalm 119:118 You reject all those who stray from Your statutes, For their deceit is falsehood.

Romans 1:24-27: Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God GAVE THEM UP to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and recieving themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

Matthew 7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

Immorality: Behavior that VIOLATES established moral principles or laws. This word is used to CONDEMN illiicit sexual activity oustide of marriage between a
MAN AND WOMAN outside the bonds of marriage.

People, our Father IS a Father of love, mercy and forgiveness. But, He never forces it upon us, and He doesn't just give it to us. We have to recieve it by faith. If we reject Him and His word, HE WILL reject us. Plain and simple. The enemy is hard at work to decieve and destroy. This commercial is proof that he is even trying to use the church to decieve and destroy. Yes, we are to love our enemies. Hate the sin, not the sinner. Of course, but as a follower of Jesus Christ and the Holy Word of GOD, I do not have to tolerate the acceptance of human activity that is completely and totally against the Word of God.

 

[sunshine307]

Amen sister. There are many people who are going to be shocked when Christ comes back to find they are going to hell. It's time "the church" woke up and started preaching the truth. Without a relationship with Jesus the people are lost, and to have that relationship needs repentance.

 

[Dreamer]

Amen, cricket05 and sunshine. Jesus is the only way to heaven. He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. It is sad that so many people who are sincere about their religion will not spend eternity in heaven. "God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth." 1 John 1:5-6

 

[greyfeather]

crikcit05,
I have not seen this comercial as of yet, but I can believe its on . There was another one I think by the same church that showed guards outside the church . In this one they show a few gay couples being turned away. Then the message. We do not reject anyone, all are welcome here. I guess to me thier message stated that no matter what your sexual orentation is they would welcome you. But other churches would turn you away. This kind of advertiseing is an insult. It states in the Bible we are to tell others of their wickedness not condone it.

 

[jiggyfly]

1Corinthians 5
1*I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you, something so evil that even the pagans don’t do it. I am told that you have a man in your church who is living in sin with his father’s wife. 2*And you are so proud of yourselves! Why aren’t you mourning in sorrow and shame? And why haven’t you removed this man from your fellowship?
3*Even though I am not there with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit.* Concerning the one who has done this, I have already passed judgment 4*in the name of the Lord Jesus. You are to call a meeting of the church,* and I will be there in spirit, and the power of the Lord Jesus will be with you as you meet. 5*Then you must cast this man out of the church and into Satan’s hands, so that his sinful nature will be destroyed* and he himself* will be saved when the Lord returns.
6*How terrible that you should boast about your spirituality, and yet you let this sort of thing go on. Don’t you realize that if even one person is allowed to go on sinning, soon all will be affected? 7*Remove this wicked person from among you so that you can stay pure.* Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been sacrificed for us. 8*So let us celebrate the festival, not by eating the old bread* of wickedness and evil, but by eating the new bread* of purity and truth.
9*When I wrote to you before, I told you not to associate with people who indulge in sexual sin. 10*But I wasn’t talking about unbelievers who indulge in sexual sin, or who are greedy or are swindlers or idol worshipers. You would have to leave this world to avoid people like that. 11*What I meant was that you are not to associate with anyone who claims to be a Christian* yet indulges in sexual sin, or is greedy, or worships idols, or is abusive, or a drunkard, or a swindler. Don’t even eat with such people.
12*It isn’t my responsibility to judge outsiders, but it certainly is your job to judge those inside the church who are sinning in these ways. 13*God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, “You must remove the evil person from among you.”*

 

[Nigh]

I don't think my church would turn away a gay couple. I don't know for sure. I would like to think that they would be escorted to the front pew and fed the word of God with a shovel. lol But really, it is sin, just like mine and they need delivered from it.

The dangerous part of the UCC accepting these people they way they do, is that they aren't being told that it is sin and they will perish for it. The church is wrong if they don't tell them to repent and sin no more.

Imagine if you had a guest at church and after the sermon, which spoke to his heart, he decides to give his life to the Lord. He goes up for an alter call and the pastor comes to pray with him. They talk and the man says that he has been living in sin with his daughter, and he's a drunkard, and he carries hate in his heart for his mother. Would your pastor say "it's ok, we still accept you here"?, or would he tell him the joy of being cleansed by the Spirit and having the shackles of sin shattered and finally being free in Christ? Show me the difference between these sins. God doesn't see any.

What is the UCC thinking?

Prayerfully yours,
Nigh

 

[Fellowservant]

1Corinthians 5
1*I can hardly believe the report about the sexual immorality going on among you, something so evil that even the pagans don’t do it. I am told that you have a man in your church who is living in sin with his father’s wife. 2*And you are so proud of yourselves! Why aren’t you mourning in sorrow and shame? And why haven’t you removed this man from your fellowship?
3*Even though I am not there with you in person, I am with you in the Spirit.* Concerning the one who has done this, I have already passed judgment 4*in the name of the Lord Jesus. You are to call a meeting of the church,* and I will be there in spirit, and the power of the Lord Jesus will be with you as you meet. 5*Then you must cast this man out of the church and into Satan’s hands, so that his sinful nature will be destroyed* and he himself* will be saved when the Lord returns.

Amen brother Jiggy, thats the way its done according to the word...to bad most churches dont follow it, if any. Paul did this for the guys own good. If there are gays in a church claiming salvation, they need to repent... no if ands or buts.

God bless

 

[Nigh]

Amen FellowServant. I wonder if a pastor at a UCC church looks out into the pews and maintains a straight face as he looks into the eyes of those he knows are going to perish? Does he ever tell the ones who look to him for teaching, that homosexuality is wrong?

I understand, excepting them into your church, I really do, but do you cater to them? No way. The word is clear, and God hasn't changed his mind. He loves them as much as anyone...True. He will also judge them as he does everyone. Also True. Teach all you want about tolerance and Love, but when you are standing in front of his throne, the fear of God will be in you, and you better be covered by the blood. Regardless of how much teaching about his love you've heard, it is repentance that sets the wheels of salvation into motion.

Jesuslovesu and I talk about this all the time. You have to balance "Love" with "Truth". Seems the UCC is tipping the scales in favor of Love, and have completely forgotten about truth. The Truth will set you free. Not the Love. He loves the whole world rite? Is the whole world saved? Nope, just the ones who "go and sin no more".

So to seem more tolerant and avoid liberal criticism, the UCC will set aside homosexuality, and Leviticus all together, and post a sign on their door. "Gays will goto heaven if you come to this church." Who is the father of lies?
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

They are fooling no one but themselves. If they stopped for just a moment and listened to His will, they would see it.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Go in the light of the truth,
Nigh

 

[Fellowservant]

Who is the father of lies?
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
They are fooling no one but themselves. If they stopped for just a moment and listened to His will, they would see it.
Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Go in the light of the truth,
Nigh

Another amen brother...love is telling the truth, if you care for a person you will tell the truth. The saints are told to love thier neighbours as themselves, if someone didn't tell you the truth, and you got hurt over it... what kind of love is that?

Sin in the end will hurt everyone around you, its not just us who can be hurt by sin, but all our family in Christ, and not in Christ, we are a walking time bomb, if we continue in sin to all around us.

Thats why God hates it so much, it is a lethal dose of poison waiting to be drank. But praise God that his son has made a way out, for all who come to him in faith and repentance, real love tells the truth, thats why Christ said i am the truth.:star:

God bless

 

[jiggyfly]

There is some very good posting in this thread.

The bottom line is Jesus is building His Church, it has never nor will it ever be in need of any kind of reformation.
When we do things like compromising the truths that are spelled out in God's word or preach another gospel we have exited the Church that Jesus is building.

Jesus said in Matthew 12:30 "Anyone who isn’t helping me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me."
I will probably get shouted down for my next statement but no matter. I believe the majority of what is done in the "name of the Lord" has nothing at all to do with the Kingdom of God. It is carnal religion at work and is antichrist. What Jesus is doing has never been nor will it ever be popular among men. Remember few find the path that leads to life.

 

[Mike]

Imagine if you had a guest at church and after the sermon, which spoke to his heart, he decides to give his life to the Lord. He goes up for an alter call and the pastor comes to pray with him. They talk and the man says that he has been living in sin with his daughter, and he's a drunkard, and he carries hate in his heart for his mother. Would your pastor say "it's ok, we still accept you here"?, or would he tell him the joy of being cleansed by the Spirit and having the shackles of sin shattered and finally being free in Christ? Show me the difference between these sins. God doesn't see any.

Imagine if you knew all these issues before-hand . Would you turn them away ? And imagine if those who were shackled in all the sins mentioned above , were not automatically , and fully restored into fullness , would you throw them out ? Or would you continue the process of building them up in Gods word until they have been set totally free ?

All people are bound with sin , Only if rebellion takes root are we to turn them away . Until then , we must labor in the Lord trusting the Holy Spirit to bring light to the darkened mind . Peace friends . Mike

 

[sunshine307]

There is some very good posting in this thread.
The bottom line is Jesus is building His Church, it has never nor will it ever be in need of any kind of reformation.
When we do things like compromising the truths that are spelled out in God's word or preach another gospel we have exited the Church that Jesus is building.
Jesus said in Matthew 12:30 "Anyone who isn’t helping me opposes me, and anyone who isn’t working with me is actually working against me."
I will probably get shouted down for my next statement but no matter. I believe the majority of what is done in the "name of the Lord" has nothing at all to do with the Kingdom of God. It is carnal religion at work and is antichrist. What Jesus is doing has never been nor will it ever be popular among men. Remember few find the path that leads to life.

Amen brother, that's what the original thread was about - compromising the TRUTH.

 

[Nigh]

...All people are bound with sin , Only if rebellion takes root are we to turn them away .

I think you hit it rite on the head with the above statement. When they reject Jesus, it is not for us, but for the Holy Spirit alone to show them truth. It can only be done supernaturally. It is at the point of outright rebellion that they become a poison to a body of believers. The apple that spoils the barrel.

We are a part of the body of Christ. So what does Jesus say about it?...

Matthew 5:28-30
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

The language here is clear as a bell. It is not for us to tip-toe around and "love" them into parallel with Christ. The truth is Jesus tells us to take drastic measures to separate ourselves from them and not be yoked. Are we to pray for them? Of course, absolutely. Love them? Yes. Fellowship with them? No. Question is, who is in rebellion, the UCC or those members that practice same sex relations? Both maybe, but it becomes harder and harder to single out the homosexuals when the church is the enabler.

Seems that the UCC as a whole is lusting after a woman called "increased membership". Anyone have a spoon? I have some plucking to do.

God bless,
Nigh

 

[jiggyfly]

Seems that the UCC as a whole is lusting after a woman called "increased membership". Anyone have a spoon? I have some plucking to do.

Amen Nigh, but I think that this problem is in just about every church.

 

[fearnot]

I want to state something. Firstly I have a brother that is gay and pray for his salvation as much as possible. I lost a brother when he was only 24 years old - was also gay, yet he died we dont know from what but he was into drugs as well.

Now I dont condemn them for their lifestyle. I love them deeply. God loves them too, yet the Bible states clearly that its a sin and if they dont confess their sin and change their lifestyle, I wont meet them in heaven oneday.

So as a Christian we must love all like Christ would love all of us. We all are sinners and whom are we to judge another person in their walk with Christ. Some are brand new and some are mega years.


I love my brothers and accept them for whom they are, yet I will never accept or condone their lifestyle. I dont know if my younger brother ever did repent of his lyfestyle at all.

Lastly Christians should never judge one another, God is the only true Judge and Jury of this world. Thus we must learn to live in harmony with one another, care for one another and truly try to have a christlike attitude towards one-another. Sometimes I observe the opposite - yes I have mad emany mistakes and will make many too, yet I think it comes from a true heart of sincere apology to the person/s that I hurt and then true repentance of my wrongdoings.

 

[Mike]

Imagine if you knew all these issues before-hand . Would you turn them away ? And imagine if those who were shackled in all the sins mentioned above , were not automatically , and fully restored into fullness , would you throw them out ? Or would you continue the process of building them up in Gods word until they have been set totally free ?
All people are bound with sin , Only if rebellion takes root are we to turn them away . Until then , we must labor in the Lord trusting the Holy Spirit to bring light to the darkened mind . Peace friends . Mike

Dear fearnot . That is what I tried to say . You have said it better . I am sorry to have made you heavy at heart . Please forgive me . I will keep both you and your brother in our family prayers . :boy_hug: Mike

 

[fearnot]

No - I am not heavy at heart at all. We all need to work out our own salvation. All I can do is pray for them and continue to love them.

What saddens me is when Christians condemns one another or try to say what is in the heart of another Christian - that is what makes my heart heavy.

 

[Mike]

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[morethandiamonds]

I am not sorry for what I said about the commercial for the United Church of Christ. I had scripture to back me up. I do hope that I haven't caused any division or strife. If I have, please understand that I only meant to show people that there is proof that God will turn us away if we do not follow His Word.