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Vaccination: The Spiritual Agenda

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Conventional medical theory and traditions are one thing and recent experimental science is something different, and for some areas of knowledge science says the opposite of what conventinal medical theory says. The area of the harmful effects of vaccines is one of these topics where medical tradition does not agree with recent science.

Dr Edward F. Group, who is a Naturopathic Physician (ND), talks about the difference between this traditional medical type theory about the human organism and its diseases as opposed to quantum medicine. Conventional medical theory on the human organism and its diseases and traditional medical practices have been driven by the giant pharmaceutical corporations, whose purpose is to make money. The pharmaceutical corporations and the medical doctors, however, claim to be operating on the basis of science.

Dr Ed Group has a series of youtube videos called The Secret to Health, and he starts by showing the many ways that toxins get into the human cellular environment and begin the process of disease, which often results in heart disease, cancer or diabetes. Ed Group says there are at least nine ways toxins get into our cellular environment, and/or the ways our cellular health is destroyed:

l. air
2.food
3. water
4. bevereages
5. microbes
6. stress
7. EMP (electromagnetic pulses)
8. heavy metals
9. drugs - both legal prescription drugs and recreational illegal drugs

Vaccines cantain mercury, a toxic metal, as well as many other contaminants. So, vaccines can
be listed as the 10th way that toxins destroy our cellular health.

Conventional medical theory does not focus much on these ten ways that the human cellullar environment becomes toxic and in this way begins the disease process.

I have heard Dr. Russell Blaylock say that even when mercurcy is removed from vaccines, the vaccines are still harmful to the human body, especially to the brain of young children, who are given a whole lot of vaccinations now.

The pharmaceutical corporations,
medical elite and individual doctors quarrel against the facts of
science when they say that vaccinations are necessary to protect the
public and that vaccinations are not harmful.

Though the drug companies and doctors quarrel against the facts of recent science about the harmful
effects of vaccines, in part from the coniminants in them, for those who claim to be Christians to take up
this quarrel violates Romans 1: 28-29, which lists εριδος, eris, as a trait of the reprobate mind. Eris is translated as debate in the three older English translations, but as strife in most recent Bible versions. However, eris means to quarrel, in Strong's definitions.

In the review article on
the harmful effects of vaccinations on the human brain Russell
Blaylock lists a large number of studied in the journals.

I thought that Talk Jesus had a requirement that one can post links after he
has made 100 posts, but maybe this is not true.

Russell Blaylock's review article on the harmful effects of
vaccinations on the human brain
is at: THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP, By Russell Blaylock, M.D. 2004

Type this in google to find the article which has many scientific references to studies on the
negative effects of vaccinations on human health.

This review of the scientific literature on the harmful effects of vaccines is now ten years old.
Many studies have been done and published since 2004 on how vaccines harm people.

Blaylock reviews scientific findings in several areas of research,
such as the neurotoxicity of aluminium, about which he says "It is
important her to appreciate a frequently used deception by
those who are trying to defend an indefensible practice. They use the
very same language just quoted, that is, that there is no data to
show, etc, etc. They intend it to convey the idea that the issue has
been looked at and studied thoroughly and no toxicity was found. In
truth, it means that no one has looked at this possibility and there
have been no studies that would give us an answer one way or the
other."

Another topic for which he reviews many scientific studies is mercury
neurotoxicty, about which he says
" Dr. Thomas Clarkson makes the incredible statement
implying that he knows of no studies that shows exposure to mercury
after birth or at six months would have deleterious effects."

A third topic reviewed by Blaylock is levels of "acceptable exposure"
where he says
"Recent studies by neurotoxicologists have observed that as our
ability to detect subtle toxic effects improves, especially on
behavior and other neurological functions, we lower the level of
acceptable exposure...... Dr. Robert Chen, Chief of Vaccine Safety
and Development at the
National Immunization Program at the CDC, then reveals why they refuse
to act on this issue, he says, "the issue is that it is impossible,
unethical to leave kids unimmunized..."

Still another topic he reviews findings on is contamination of vaccines.

Another, very important topic, that Blaylock reviews many studies on
is brain development and neurological effects, especially autism, on
which he says "Several of the participants tried to imply that autism
was a genetic disorder and therefore could have nothing to do with
vaccines."

Blaylock mentions that "...several of these "vaccinologists" and so-called
experts would express doubt about the "biological plausibility" of
thimerosal or any vaccine component causing neurodevelopmental
problems. The medical literature is exploding with such studies. The
biological plausibility is very powerful."

Blaylock provides 55 references to studies reported in the peer review
journals on the harmful
effects of mercury on the human or animal brain. He lists 22
scientific studies on the harmful effects of aluminum on brains.
There is also a scientific literature on the harmful effects of
vaccinations on the brain in addition to the effects of the mercury
and aluminum, which are added to vaccines.

Blaylock discusses this
science elsewhere. For example, he has a 14 part
series on vaccinations of infants and autism on youtube:

On Google type in "Russell Blaylock on vaccines youtube" and you will come
up with several of his videos

See also: How Vaccines Harm Child Brain Development - Dr Russell Blaylock

Yet many doctors and the medical elite establishment argue against the
facts and claim they must continue to vaccinate people, including very
young children, who are often given a huge number of vaccinations, and
that there is no evidence saying that vaccinations are harmful. Are
not these doctors who ignore the science on vaccinations practicing a
form of the dialectic, which is an argument against that which is
fact, in order to protect a relationship or relationships? These
doctors have relationships with their practice, their income level and
with the giant pharmaceutical companies they are salesmen for in their
medical practice.

Dr Sherri Tenpenny is another doctor who educates the public about the
harmful effects of vaccines.

In Revelation 18 merchants appear several times, from the Greek word
emporos, that is, a merchant is an emporos. On page 508 of A
Linguistic Key
to the Greek New Testament, Vol 2, by Fritz Rienecker, emporoi in
Revelation 18: 23 is defined as "merchants who deal in foreign
exports." Imporoi are world traders.

World traders in our timeline are the giant international
corporations, and included among the giant international corporations
are the big pharmaceutical companies.

Revelation 18: 13 says about these international traders that "And
cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and
oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and
chariots, and slaves, and souls of men."

The international traders deal with the souls of men. Revelation 18:
23 can help us to understand how the intrnational traders, the giant
corporations, including the pharmaceutical companies, deal in the
souls of men. "And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in
thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard
no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the
earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived." Revelation 18: 23

"Thy merchants" refers to the international traders of the metaphoric
construct called Babylon in Revelation 17 and 18, which also appears
in Jeremiah 50 and 51. Babylon, or the Babylon of Prophecy, is more
than an economic system, because the verse just cited talks about the
voice of the bridegroom and the bride not being heard no more at all
in this Babylon.

It is very interesting that Revelation 18: 23 talks about how the light of Christ no longer shines
in what is called Babylon and that Christ and his bride are heard no more in Babylon, and in the same verse the international merchants - big corporations in 2014 - and pharmakeia are mentioned.

Sorceries in Revelation 18: 23 is from pharmakeia, which Strong's
(number 5331) says means "medication, by extension, magic, sorcery,
witchcraft."

The very expensive drugs that the giant pharmaceutical corporations
sell to people not only have many harmful physiological effects, but
can also change the brain, especially medications for depression,
anxiety, etc, and in that process can affect one's spiritual
condition. And it is important to throw off the deception and realize
that pharmaceutical drugs do not regenerate man's body, as can
nutrition, regular exercise, stress reduction, and being inspired by
the Lord, having his joy.
 
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Conventional medical theory and traditions are one thing and recent experimental science is something different, and for some areas of knowledge science says the opposite of what conventinal medical theory says. The area of the harmful effects of vaccines is one of these topics where medical tradition does not agree with recent science.

Dr Edward F. Group, who is a Naturopathic Physician (ND), talks about the difference between this traditional medical type theory about the human organism and its diseases as opposed to quantum medicine. Conventional medical theory on the human organism and its diseases and traditional medical practices have been driven by the giant pharmaceutical corporations, whose purpose is to make money. The pharmaceutical corporations and the medical doctors, however, claim to be operating on the basis of science.

Dr Ed Group has a series of youtube videos called The Secret to Health, and he starts by showing the many ways that toxins get into the human cellular environment and begin the process of disease, which often results in heart disease, cancer or diabetes. Ed Group says there are at least nine ways toxins get into our cellular environment, and/or the ways our cellular health is destroyed:

l. air
2.food
3. water
4. bevereages
5. microbes
6. stress
7. EMP (electromagnetic pulses)
8. heavy metals
9. drugs - both legal prescription drugs and recreational illegal drugs

Vaccines cantain mercury, a toxic metal, as well as many other contaminants. So, vaccines can
be listed as the 10th way that toxins destroy our cellular health.

Conventional medical theory does not focus much on these ten ways that the human cellullar environment becomes toxic and in this way begins the disease process.

I have heard Dr. Russell Blaylock say that even when mercurcy is removed from vaccines, the vaccines are still harmful to the human body, especially to the brain of young children, who are given a whole lot of vaccinations now.

The pharmaceutical corporations,
medical elite and individual doctors quarrel against the facts of
science when they say that vaccinations are necessary to protect the
public and that vaccinations are not harmful.

Though the drug companies and doctors quarrel against the facts of recent science about the harmful
effects of vaccines, in part from the coniminants in them, for those who claim to be Christians to take up
this quarrel violates Romans 1: 28-29, which lists εριδος, eris, as a trait of the reprobate mind. Eris is translated as debate in the three older English translations, but as strife in most recent Bible versions. However, eris means to quarrel, in Strong's definitions.

In the review article on
the harmful effects of vaccinations on the human brain Russell
Blaylock lists a large number of studied in the journals.

I thought that Talk Jesus had a requirement that one can post links after he
has made 100 posts, but maybe this is not true.

Russell Blaylock's review article on the harmful effects of
vaccinations on the human brain
is at: THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP, By Russell Blaylock, M.D. 2004

I dont know, all of this seems to be absurd. I know for a fact that many Sushi contain mercury, and yet the reason people do not get sick is because the amount that they ingest is so low that it doesnt do any harm. There is a threshold that exists, with many things, i read in this post about vaccines containing, for example, formaldehyde and Aluminum, and yet, formaldehyde occurs naturally in the human blood, and Aluminum is ingested daily by food, even organically grown food, because it is very abundant in the ground.

Sure, too much of anything can kill you. Nutmeg is a great spice and adds flavor(i personally never liked it though), but eat too much and you can die. Your body contains many heavy elements, such as iron, copper, manganese and zinc, and our bodies require them to live. And yet too much would still kill you.
 
Mercury is only a toxin at a particular level of consumption or exposure, which is pretty much true of anything. Drinking water is toxic if you drink enough. Sun exposure leads to cancer, if too much. Fatty vitamins are toxic, even though they are necessary. If you eat a bear liver you can die because of its high vitamin content.

Vaccines have been show to be helpful in paper after paper, in double blind peer reviewed clinical studies. There is not a lot of money to make off vaccines compared to other patented drugs. The idea there is a grand conspiracy involving companies and independent third party scientists and the government over vaccines is absurd.

Dr. Edward as you call him, is not a doctor. He is a chiropractor.
"A study of California disciplinary statistics during 1997–2000 reported 4.5 disciplinary actions per 1000 chiropractors per year, compared to 2.27 for medical doctors, and the incident rate for fraud was nine times greater among chiropractors (1.99 per 1000 chiropractors per year)" - Wiki

"A 2010 analysis of chiropractic websites found the majority of chiropractors and their associations made claims of effectiveness not supported by scientific evidence, including claims about the treatment of asthma, ear infection, earache, otitis media, and neck pain." - wiki

This is not based on science or research, it is just holistic speculation that can never be proven and always proves the converse - that holistic anti-vaccines views hurt and even kill.
 
Romans 1: 28-31, Quarreling As A Trait of the Reprobate Mind

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:" Romans 1: 28-31

Debate, from the Greek word eris is listed here as a trait of the reprobate mind.

Because the English word debate is said to have changed meanings between the publication of the King James Version in 1611 and the British Revised Version in 1881 the doctrine that eris, in the Greek, is of the reprobate mind cannot change for that reason. Biblical doctrines are given by God, not by man, and are absolute and unchanging. If
and when the meaning of an English word changes, then another English word, closer in meaning to eris must be substituted in the translation. To claim that the doctrine that eris is a trait of the reprobate mind changed because the meaning of the English word changed, is an attempt at a slight of hand game, with man leaning to his own understanding.

The Greek word eris, Strong's number 2054, is said to mean "a quarrel, by implicating wrangling - contention, debate, strife, variance." Note that the first definitions of eris are "a quarrel, by implicating wrangling."

Quarreling is an accurate English word for eris. Some kinds of statements invite a quarrel more than other kinds of statements. And quarreling is an indication of a reprobate mind in Romans 1: 28-29. And a quarrel can go on without people overtly insulting one another by calling each other bad names or something like that.

The King James Version uses quarrel in two places in the Old Testament and two places in the New Testament. But the English Standard Version uses quarreling many more times. For example, the King James for Proverbs 21: 19 has "It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman." But the English Standard Version says "It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman."

The English Standard Version for II Timothy 2: 23 says "Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels."

Proverbs 20: 3 in the English Standard Version has "It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife, but every fool will be quarreling."

Romans 14: 1 in the English Standard Version says "As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions."
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Romans 1: 28-31, Quarreling As A Trait of the Reprobate Mind

"And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:" Romans 1: 28-31

Debate, from the Greek word eris is listed here as a trait of the reprobate mind.

Because the English word debate is said to have changed meanings between the publication of the King James Version in 1611 and the British Revised Version in 1881 the doctrine that eris, in the Greek, is of the reprobate mind cannot change for that reason. Biblical doctrines are given by God, not by man, and are absolute and unchanging. If
and when the meaning of an English word changes, then another English word, closer in meaning to eris must be substituted in the translation. To claim that the doctrine that eris is a trait of the reprobate mind changed because the meaning of the English word changed, is an attempt at a slight of hand game, with man leaning to his own understanding.

The Greek word eris, Strong's number 2054, is said to mean "a quarrel, by implicating wrangling - contention, debate, strife, variance." Note that the first definitions of eris are "a quarrel, by implicating wrangling."

Quarreling is an accurate English word for eris. Some kinds of statements invite a quarrel more than other kinds of statements. And quarreling is an indication of a reprobate mind in Romans 1: 28-29. And a quarrel can go on without people overtly insulting one another by calling each other bad names or something like that.

The King James Version uses quarrel in two places in the Old Testament and two places in the New Testament. But the English Standard Version uses quarreling many more times. For example, the King James for Proverbs 21: 19 has "It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman." But the English Standard Version says "It is better to live in a desert land than with a quarrelsome and fretful woman."

The English Standard Version for II Timothy 2: 23 says "Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels."

Proverbs 20: 3 in the English Standard Version has "It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife, but every fool will be quarreling."

Romans 14: 1 in the English Standard Version says "As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions."

In your post about quarreling, which has nothing to do with anything here, you neglected my post. I also find it a bit absurd to support a position which is not valid and then act like a person is being unChristian for responding with facts.

The bible is full of passages about rebuking and correct a person in error.

"As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear." 1 Timothy 5:20
 
This thread has become a debate of opinions, is judgmental and has also gone totally off topic ( @Last Things @tulsa 2011 )

There is very little in the way of scripture backing up a lot of the points made.
There is a lot of worldly information which although interesting, people can look up for themselves in their choices as to whether to vaccinate or not.

The scriptures are clear

Trust in the Lord with all thine heart and lean not to thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge Him and He shall direct Thy paths

Proverbs 3:5-6

It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man
Psalm 118:8


I am closing this thread and asking Chad and the moderator team to review this decision

 
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