Veridican

[Reba1]

Cults and emotionally unbalanced people ...

 

[Hitch]

I think this is a first for me. I ve happened across lots of cultists over the years but I cant remember actually witnessing someone as they are trying to start one up.

 

[Veridican]

I think this is a first for me. I ve happened across lots of cultists over the years but I cant remember actually witnessing someone as they are trying to start one up.

I don't care if you call it a cult. Puts me in good company with my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

 

[Reba1]

Your articles faith show them to be cultish

 

[Rhema]

That's it. Our entire Canon is only the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

Not if you include the book of Revelation.

Our entire Canon is only the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

And yet you exclude the first few chapters of the book of Acts, which directly gives account of the Life and teachings of Jesus Christ.

Our entire Canon is only the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. You would have thought someone would have thought of it before me--but nope.

Actually, these are called "Red Letter Christians" and we've been around for quite awhile.

First off, I already own a copy of the Interlinear NT.

Whose interlinear? Various translators have been published, Green for one, Marshall for another. Zondervan published Mounce's version, but it's rather unimpressive. I like much of FF Bruce's work, but I don't recall that he ever published an interlinear. Neither has Wallace, but his work on cataloguing the Greek mss is both time consuming and invaluable. Oh dear, almost forgot
George Ricker Berry. And I should mention Brown and Comfort's work.

The Holy Spirit confirmed with a sign, which I won't go into with you, that it should be the NIV.

God would not confirm a corrupted translation with any sign. Would He? Independent scholarship shows that the NIV is corrupt, and I'll suggest this book so you can compare all three versions and see the mistakes for yourself - (there is also an NASB edition).

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek…

The Interlinear KJV-NIV Parallel New Testament does thr…

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Interlinear NASB-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, The: Marshall, Alfred: 9780310401704: Amazon.com: Books

Interlinear NASB-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, The [Marshall, Alfred] on Amazon.com. *FREE* shipping on qualifying offers. Interlinear NASB-NIV Parallel New Testament in Greek and English, The

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Fortunately, it is available online as .pdf, and I will put the .pdf on my website soon.

So copyright violations don't matter to you? Interesting.

But there has to be a final authority when it comes down to a decision, and for us that's the 1984 NIV.

And I repeat, anybody who knows what they're doing would not select the 1984 NIV Bible as an authoritative translation. And I wonder why as a High Priest you wouldn't learn to read the original language for yourself.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

In a week on CB, you changed the pentagram logo to a cross for your church icon

Fascinating... might you be able to provide a link to this? (PM if need be.)

Thank you,
Rhema

 

[Rhema]

False doctrine will never be accepted, because the Holy Bible in its entirety is the Word of God. The Bible alone.

With all due respect (and I mean this) the canon of the Church of the East was not corrupted by Rome -

TheAramaicScriptures.com

The Holy Aramaic Scriptures: With a literal English translation and transliteration of The Eastern Peshitta New Testament Text, such as given in The Khabouris Codex.

www.thearamaicscriptures.com

(Please do check the table of contents...)

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

but how can following ONLY Jesus Christ be a different Gospel? And no one will answer me on that. NO ONE.

I know a few people who can and will ... on a forum that will not ban you. These are known as hyper-dispensationalists, Ed. I'm surprised you've never heard of them.

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Repenting of occult ways? Edward, you started a religion. You are teaching these things to people. Started in what, 1993? And what? You teach a seminary and are a veridican priest?

So just to clarify, he started this religion in 1993 before he repented of his occult ways?

(It's somewhat hard to keep track of all this.)
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Rhema

 

[Rhema]

Catholics are different. Greek Orthodox are different.

This seems to imply that the RCC and Greek Orthodox canons are different.
You might want to check that again, sir... or enlighten me with a source for that claim.
Of course if you meant to say, "... The canon of the Catholics and Greek Orthodox is different..." then ... okay.

Thanks,
Rhema

 

[Mayflower]

So just to clarify, he started this religion in 1993 before he repented of his occult ways?

(It's somewhat hard to keep track of all this.)
.

Rhema

This was published it looks like in August of 2016. It is on Amazon. You will have to ask him about it. I just feel it best to stay out of this thread.

 

[Veridican]

MY ANSWER FOR THE OCCULT

Rhema, I'm not responding to anything you have to say. I could say I have converted to Southern Baptist, and you'd argue against it. So, I'm not spending time typing for you.
However, I am going to give an account of my occult past and its connection to Veridicanism because I feel it is necessary.

When Veridicanism was first given to me, I started a Bible study with some friends called The Veridical Christian Society. That ended and we all tried to find "real" churches to go to. I had no success.
I tried going to a small church, but it ended up being a very corrupt health and wealth cult. So, I went to a church I used to go to as a teen, but it had also converted to a large health and wealth cult. In fact, the cross on the stage that I had remembered from my youth had been replaced with a giant globe--go figure. I then tried a Lutheran church, since that's the religion of my "roots" so to speak. Turns out they were pro-abortion. So, I tried the Catholic church, and the first mass I went to, the priest called me to his office and started hitting on me--you know--trying to pick me up sexually. That was all a very long time ago. Sometime after I was married, we tried to go to a Pentacostal church, but they were simply insane. The service degraded into everyone speaking in tongues and rolling on the floor, and just chaos. We tried a small Baptist church, but the pastor was so uneducated it was embarrassing to listen to him.

So, I sought the New Age. I thought my kind of Christianity could be merged with New Age concepts like spiritualism, tarot, and various Buddhist/Hindu concepts like reincarnation. That eventually led me to witchcraft and tarot reading. I believed that Jesus was a kind of grand sorcerer, and that the ideas of Veridicanism could be mixed into all of that. Keep in mind, this kind of occultism would go back and forth for many years. Sometimes I would revert back to Christianity, only to find the same horrible experiences with other Christians that I encountered when trying to find a church. So, I would go back to the New Age and the occult. I would swing back and forth. In one of my Christian swings in 2005, I created the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ. In one of my occult swings, I became a professional psychic for a year. I wrote two books: Tarot: The Dark Art and Discovering Your Psychic Self. Back and forth, back and forth.

In the 1990's and early 2000's I debated atheists. I became quite an expert at this and developed an unshakable argument for the existence of God. I call it the Veridican Argument for the Existence of God.

But, in 2017, I was teaching witchcraft classes.

I used to blame myself for this, but now I blame the classic Christian Church. I went down a million divergent paths because there was no church to turn to. Now, I chalk it all up as wisdom. The fact is, I know Satan, and I know demons, and I know how they lie and the tricks they use. I know things about the dark side you will never know--things I will never talk about, except to God who already knows. You believe because you have been told what to believe. I believe because of what I have seen.

On November 4th, my wife and I decided to start the Veridican Church of the Divine in Christ. This follows on the heels of me completely repenting from witchcraft and spiritism. But as you can see, it's not like I'm a new Christian or don't have any experience at this. It's been going on like this for 28 years. Will I return to the occult? No. I know I won't because I know fully now where it leads. It's a dead-end road, and at the end there is no eternal life, and eventually, even if one still feels the presence of God, Jesus Christ fades away and Satan takes His place. This I know to be true. You believe it. I know it.

Now, there are some holdovers. There is some truth that I learned along the way that I WILL NOT give up, that God gave to me. Here they are:

1. God ultimately is a monistic entity--THE monistic entity.
2. Astrology is from God. It's all over the Bible. It's in the Gospels. And it was accepted in the earliest Christian Church. The Magi were astrologers and used it to find Christ, and then protected Jesus from Herod. That makes them more heroic than the Apostles--who deserted him. I will honor God and Christ with Veridican Astrology. If you don't like it--who cares? You're not a Veridican, so you don't have to worry about it.
3. We believe in spiritual gifts: Dream interpretation, personal prophecy, miracle-working, visions, and exorcisms. All of these are strongly supported in the Gospels.
4. Man is supposed to become Christ. Jesus wanted that. It's what we were created for. If we don't rebirth into Christ, we perish. That's it.
5. We will only follow Jesus Christ--not man. We are always open to wisdom, but we follow only Jesus Christ. He is our ONLY teacher.

So, where do I stand now? Read the Articles of Faith. Veridicanism is my calling. I know now what it means entirely. And I'm going forward and will not stop until His kingdom comes.

 

[Rhema]

Rhema, I'm not responding to anything you have to say.

Why am I not surprised...

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The fact is, I know Satan, and I know demons, and I know how they lie and the tricks they use. I know things about the dark side you will never know--things I will never talk about, except to God who already knows. You believe because you have been told what to believe. I believe because of what I have seen.

Your screed would have been better served by you not bringing accusations upon me. Go ask your familiar spirit who I am. Then it would be best you repent.

The fact is, I know Satan, and I know demons,

And have you cast any out? (I have.)

I know Satan,

Then you would know his purpose here on Earth. (I do.)

On November 4th, my wife and I decided to start the Veridican Church of the Divine in Christ.

Yes indeed. You and your wife decided this. Most all people in any ministry decide this type of thing on their own. Now were you to have said, "God led me ..." that would be an entirely different matter, but you penned your words, and I shall let your yes be yes.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.​

(Matthew 12:37 KJV)​

But as you can see, it's not like I'm a new Christian or don't have any experience at this. It's been going on like this for 28 years.

28 years of back and forth and back and forth? (Your own words...) You do not seem to understand that I am not your enemy. And since "28 years" seems important as a claim to experience, my interaction with Christianity and with Christ is more than 50 years.

Will I return to the occult? No.

Well then, thanks be to God.

3. We believe in spiritual gifts: Dream interpretation, personal prophecy, miracle-working, visions, and exorcisms. All of these are strongly supported in the Gospels.

As if you are the only ones who believe such a thing? Yet the old adage applies - the proof is in the pudding. The question to be asked, then, is what exorcisms have been accomplished? And what miracles have been worked? Now I understand your reticence (and actually share it), so it would suffice for you to say, yes, exorcisms have been accomplished and miracles have been worked. But truly you should know, you're not the only one.

I used to blame myself for this, but now I blame the classic Christian Church.

The Christian Church has not followed the teachings of Jesus since about the time of Paul. This should be obvious to anyone with half a brain - although, as I have mentioned, the Dispensationalists (especially the "MAD" - Mid-Acts-Dispensationalists) have built quite a "ballet of logic" to dismiss the teachings of Jesus.

I tried going to a small church, ... I then tried a Lutheran church ... Turns out they were pro-abortion. ... So, I tried the Catholic church, ... That was all a very long time ago. Sometime after I was married, we tried to go to a Pentacostal church, but they were simply insane. We tried a small Baptist church, ...

In truth, it sounds like your sample rate is very small. As an example, the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod is avidly against abortion. (You must have attended a service of one of those ELCA heretical Lutherans. ) I have visited more than 470 churches across the wide spectrum of Christianity throughout my life, and have taken classes at the Moravian Seminary and Princeton Theological, and still I can consider myself only adequately acquainted with the Christian church at large. Don't take this the wrong way, but when one is seeking, going to "a" church here and there just seems a bit lazy. I was 14 when I found out that one could get a copy of the initial manuscripts of the New Testament (much to the denial of my parent's IFCA church which taught that these were "lost to time") and I decided then and there that if one were truly committed to Christ, one would learn the language in which the teachings of Jesus were published. (Who wouldn't?) And I even provided you a link to this bible so that you yourself could compare a Greek text with both the KJV, NIV and even NASB. Marshall has made maybe one or two mistakes in his English gloss (though he would say different choices) but even mild study would show you that neither the KJV nor the NIV can be trusted.

Instead of trying to learn, though, you have retreated into combative defensiveness. Not a seemly thing for a minister of the Gospel.

So, where do I stand now? Read the Articles of Faith. Veridicanism is my calling.

Were you to have said, "Preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ is my calling" you would have stood blameless. But your need to be "special," set apart and above others, shall be your downfall. Indeed. Needing to identify yourself as a "High Priest"? Jesus rebuked those who merely identified as "Rabbi."

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.​

(Matthew 23:8 KJV)​

Again, don't get me wrong. This teaching applies to everyone in the Christian churches that even allow themselves to be called "Pastor" or "Reverend" or "Priest."

How do you not know this?

But the mercy of God is great, and while you are alive, there is always time to repent.

Rhema

Veridicanism is my calling. I know now what it means entirely.

So you started something in 1993 that you didn't know what it means entirely until 2021 ?? Do you understand just how bizarre that comes across to others?

 

[Rhema]

2. Astrology is from God. It's all over the Bible. It's in the Gospels.

Interesting. Where in the teachings of Jesus is astrology validated?

Indeed, it is "all over the Bible." And so is paying for sin with the blood of sacrificed animals.

On your website, you had wondered what the "Abomination" is. Truth be told, it's the teaching that sin is paid for by the blood of a human sacrifice.

Again, how do you not know this?

Kindly,
Rhema

 

[Veridican]

Were you to have said, "Preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ is my calling" you would have stood blameless. But your need to be "special," set apart and above others, shall be your downfall. Indeed. Needing to identify yourself as a "High Priest"? Jesus rebuked those who merely identified as "Rabbi."

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.​

(Matthew 23:8 KJV)​

Again, don't get me wrong. This teaching applies to everyone in the Christian churches that even allow themselves to be called "Pastor" or "Reverend" or "Priest."

Revelation 1:6

And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

So, everyone in our church is encouraged to become ordained as a priest. With higher learning in the seminary, they become senior priests. If they manage a board on the online church forum, then they are high priests. I am a high priest because, currently, I manage the entire forum. That's it. That's how it works. We only have one Teacher, that's Jesus Christ. We only have one Father, that is God, and we (Veridicans) are all brothers and sisters. We are all equal spiritually because we are all Christ.

 

[Fragrant Grace]

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