Hell
I'm sorry but this guys story is as far as im concerned totally unscriptural.
First of all Hell does not even exist yet 2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
we are reserved for the day of Judgment Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
notice they are not in the fire untill the end of the world last time i checked the world had not ended yet so Hell is not yet so this man could not have been there. so lets assume its a vision of the future lets ee if that is possible.
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath. Job 21:31 Who shall declare his way to his face? and who shall repay him [what] he hath done? Job 21:32 Yet shall he be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the tomb.
so there are two ressurections one to eternal life and one to Hell Job reenforces this by saying that even still the wickid will see the grave for they agin same language as erlier are reserved for destruction. no one is in hell now.
Ok what is Hell? Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
clearly this Hell is death not eternal life in torture but eternal death for etenal life is only for those who have Christ.
James says that sin when all done brings death not eternal torture: Jam 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Here is a popular one that no one ever thinks of what happens to those who don't get eternal life? They perish gone nothing dead. to perish to die destroy fully.
do we have anything that says directly that the Hell fire is a punishment leading to death? Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Yes we do it clearly states here that Hell is the second death not torture for eternity.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. agin the wages of sin is death brothers and sisters if the wages of sin is death and the gift of eternal life is for those who follow Jesus yet both the wicked and rightouse die then the death that is a consiquence of sin in the world is not the death spoken of here but rather the eternal death spoken of as the second death note second in rev not the first death.
Here are some other scriptures to help ilistrate this point.
Job 21:30, Psalm 37:20, Malachi 4:1, Ps 37:9, Ps 62:3, Ps 145:20, Ps 21:9. etc. keep looking they are everywhere.
How long will those who sin suffer we are not told but we do know that some suffer longer than others: Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
so GOd comes with the reward acording ot evey mans works so even the wicked. and Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes]. Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
SO GOd will very the punishment accoridng to our works but still death is the end result for sin no matter how you look at it.
will the fire last forever? Isa 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: [there shall] not [be] a coal to warm at, [nor] fire to sit before it.
Isaiah says it will go out and all will be burnt away 2Peter 3:10 says the elements will melt with heat. so this hell is a punishment /judgment rahter than a place.
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
God said there would be no more pain death etc this is not mentioned as just for the saved it is mentioned full stop eg no where will pain exist hurt and pain offend GOd and sin will be no more yet if satan and all sinners are alive forever then sin does exist. so we know that an eternal hell fire is not true.
THe word of malachi ring true that the wicke will be like stubble Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
if you know anything about stubble it goes up real easy and all that is left is ashes in a short time. denoting gone perished dead.
vers 3 varifies this when He says the wicked shall be ashes under our feet. :Mal 4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do [this], saith the LORD of hosts.
Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Jesus here showes that its better to perish an arm than whole body in hell so in hell we perish hmm.
and also says Mat 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
so He says dont worry bout the one who can kill the body but rather the one who kills both body and soul.
Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die.
another point to note is that the Devil is not in charge of hell it is for Him as much as it is for every sinner
Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
satan has no power in Hell
Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
even satan will be ashes in the end
Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more.
and agian of satan it says thou shalt be no more eg dead gone perich destroyed just like all who sin will be. ill post more later but there is much more proof of this that hell is eternal death not eternal punishment and yes i will deal with the common objection of the parable of the rich man and laz and also the whol foreever and ever thing its not hard and remember I have shown much already that proves hell to be the second death but I must go now blessing study the word in prayer GOd will reveal these things to those who are Humble in heart and teachable in spirit.
