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Water Baptism Saves The Righteous

When we read this post, we do not see any "strike-through" characters. Do others see my post as being "struck-through" on their screen?

OK, must be something on my end but i thought i should ask in case of any preferences.
I figured the way it came out that you might have first written on or with a different program and copied your finished post here. Quite a few do that, which is quite OK to do. If you did, fine, if not, fine also!

Only trying to help.

Thank you for replying,

Take care, and may God bless
thank you


Bless you ....><>
 
We tried to show how or in what way a believer is saved in this verse, and then went on to more completely explain how/when a believer was/is saved and justified to become an heir of God.

Yes, but as you yourself confessed, you went way overboard...


When is a believer saved?

Not until he chooses to repent from living a lifestyle of sinful behavior, and then receives water baptism into Christ (John 3:15-16, John 6:40*, John 20:31, Hebrews 11:6; Mark 1:15, Mark 6:12, Luke 13:3, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38*, Acts 3:19, Acts 17:30, Acts 20:21, 2 Corinthians 7:10, 2 Peter 3:9, Revelation 2:16; John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 2:41, Acts 22:16, I Peter 3:21, Acts 19:1-5, Romans 6:3, Galatians 3:27), There are more, but these should suffice...


What is a believer saved from?

Sin...nothing but his past sin (II Peter 1:9). Anything else is false doctrinal teaching.


When is a believer justified?

According to Scripture, the moment he is saved by entering covenant relationship with God. There are 29 passages...do you want them all?


How/when do we become an heir of God?

By entering covenant relationship with God, by which we are adopted.


What does it mean to be righteous?

That depends upon which righteousness you are talking about; the imputed righteousness of Christ to our account, or the righteousness that we are commanded by God to walk in?


How/when was a believer baptized into Christ Jesus?

According to Scripture, a believer is not in Christ until he has been water baptized into Christ (Romans 6:3; Galatians 3:27).


Did you see any errors in what we posted, and if so, please use scripture to correct us?

The previous post was too convoluted for me to stick with your train of thought...

Blessings
 
Yes, but as you yourself confessed, you went way overboard...

I did not "go way overboard." I used the verse to further show/explain salvation, beyond being saved from guilt by being forgiven of past sins by water baptism.

Not until he chooses to repent from living a lifestyle of sinful behavior, and then receives water baptism into Christ (John 3:15-16, John 6:40*, John 20:31, Hebrews 11:6; Mark 1:15, Mark 6:12, Luke 13:3, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38*, Acts 3:19, Acts 17:30, Acts 20:21, 2 Corinthians 7:10, 2 Peter 3:9, Revelation 2:16; John 3:5, Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, Acts 2:41, Acts 22:16, I Peter 3:21, Acts 19:1-5, Romans 6:3, Galatians 3:27), There are more, but these should suffice...

Choosing to repent and coming to repentance are not the same thing. To decide to do something good is only planning, but to carry it out develops character and integrity.

Sin...nothing but his past sin (II Peter 1:9). Anything else is false doctrinal teaching.

All unrighteousness is sin. Being forgiven of past sins/trespasses does not take away our sin/iniquity/unrighteousness.

According to Scripture, the moment he is saved by entering covenant relationship with God. There are 29 passages...do you want them all?

Listing verses/passages of Scripture does not do much good if we do not clearly understand what they mean and how they are applied.

The moment he is saved, and when is that? Is it the moment the believer places their faith in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, or, is it the moment the believer is baptized with water for the forgiveness of sins, or, is it the moment God forgives the believer of all trespasses, or, is it the moment the believer is born of the Spirit by being justified by God when the believer overcomes the sins of the flesh. When we evaluate the New Testament, we should consider how elect Gentiles received the Spirit of adoption and were called to repentance, how they were cleansed of unrighteousness to be justified/saved/born of God, or by being conformed to a likeness of His death to be grafted into Israel as a son and heir of God in Christ Jesus when the body is redeemed from sin.

We should also evaluate the New Testament from the perspective of a holy descendant of Jacob being reconciled to God by having past sins forgiven and then putting off the sins of the flesh to be justified/born of the Spirit and saved by being baptized with the Spirit of Jesus Christ into His death to be raised incorruptible, having Eternal by being one Spirit with God the Father and God the Son, and then going on to perfection by being sanctified wholly by the Holy Spirit of God the Father.

Both of these and the differences between them can be clearly shown with Scripture.


By entering covenant relationship with God, by which we are adopted.
That depends upon which righteousness you are talking about; the imputed righteousness of Christ to our account, or the righteousness that we are commanded by God to walk in?

The righteousness of Jesus Christ is not imputed unto the repentant believer until God declares them as righteous in being one who practices righteousness that has put off the sins of the flesh. Those who are righteous (practice righteousness) live by faith. Being forgiven of past sins does not make a believer "righteous" (G1342).

According to Scripture, a believer is not in Christ until he has been water baptized into Christ (Romans 6:3; Galatians 3:27).

Believers were born of the Spirit and justified as a member in Christ Jesus by being baptized with the Spirit into Christ Jesus and His death, wherein they are risen.
Water baptism is for the forgiveness of past sins and believers are NOT/WERE NOT baptized INTO Christ Jesus with water.
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:13).



The previous post was too convoluted for me to stick with your train of thought...

We're sorry you saw it as being "convoluted" because it was challenging to understand.

May the Lord open your eyes and mind to understand to help us bring the body of Christ to one faith again.

And the "dead" in Christ shall rise first,.........


Blessings

May God bless,.......
 

I cannot see what you wrote, because you didn't use the quote function...
 
Jesus Christ is one with God and God is in Him because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God.

Jesus Christ said, I and My Father are one" (John 10:30).

"He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me (Matthew 10:40).

.........."If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him (John 14:23).

Now do you understand?
 
Jesus Christ is one with God and God is in Him because He was conceived by the Holy Spirit of God.

Jesus Christ said, I and My Father are one" (John 10:30).

"He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me (Matthew 10:40).

.........."If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him (John 14:23).

Now do you understand?

So, you are claiming that Jesus is speaking through you when you say "we." Correct? If not, then you really should stop saying "we" when it is really YOU saying what you are saying. If you are saying that Jesus is speaking through you in your posts, then you make it look like you have some issues...

I am just trying to figure out which...
 
I cannot see what you wrote, because you didn't use the quote function...
We answered your comments in post #25. The color of the font of the text of our answers is blue.

Are the comments on post #25 clear to understand?
 
So, you are claiming that Jesus is speaking through you when you say "we." Correct? If not, then you really should stop saying "we" when it is really YOU saying what you are saying. If you are saying that Jesus is speaking through you in your posts, then you make it look like you have some issues...

I am just trying to figure out which...

If you are risen in Christ, then you died and no longer live, but Christ lives in and through you.

......if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; (2 Corinthians 5:17b).

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own (1 Corinthians 6:19)?

In the name of the Lord Jesus,..........

Now do you understand?
 
So...then...you are claiming to be Jesus Christ, posting on a Christian forum.........
I did not claim to be Jesus Christ. Those are your words. Your words are like the Sanhedrin trying to bring forth a confession by Jesus, like someone who is offended because we tried to share our understanding. We all need to overcome the ways of the world, the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eye, and PRIDE. Do not allow PRIDE in defending what you believe the Bible means prevent you from understanding what the Scripture truly means, keep you from entering the Kingdom of God.

If my understanding is in error, I would like to know/to find out. Let us all study together with an open mind to learn what the Bible truly means to bring us all to one faith.

With love in Christ, may God bless,

In the name of the Lord Jesus
 
So, you are claiming that Jesus is speaking through you when you say "we." Correct? If not, then you really should stop saying "we" when it is really YOU saying what you are saying. If you are saying that Jesus is speaking through you in your posts, then you make it look like you have some issues...

I am just trying to figure out which...
Try to "figure out" if you will, but why do you make inquiry so as to accuse me, and then judge me by your accusations. And who are you to say "I have issues" and direct my actions based on your projections, instead of continuing the discussion of this thread to understand what the Bible means. Is it to avoid answering our comments on the thread as a means of defending your doctrine of understanding? It would be better for everyone if we would all study together with an open mind to understand and learn.

May God bless,

In the name of the Lord Christ,.........
 
Try to "figure out" if you will, but why do you make inquiry so as to accuse me, and then judge me by your accusations. And who are you to say "I have issues" and direct my actions based on your projections, instead of continuing the discussion of this thread to understand what the Bible means. Is it to avoid answering our comments on the thread as a means of defending your doctrine of understanding? It would be better for everyone if we would all study together with an open mind to understand and learn.

May God bless,

In the name of the Lord Christ,.........

Except when a person comes along...that claims Christ is speaking through him by using "we" when he really means "I"...that is a red flag...
 
I did not claim to be Jesus Christ. Those are your words. Your words are like the Sanhedrin trying to bring forth a confession by Jesus, like someone who is offended because we tried to share our understanding. We all need to overcome the ways of the world, the lusts of the flesh, the lusts of the eye, and PRIDE. Do not allow PRIDE in defending what you believe the Bible means prevent you from understanding what the Scripture truly means, keep you from entering the Kingdom of God.

If my understanding is in error, I would like to know/to find out. Let us all study together with an open mind to learn what the Bible truly means to bring us all to one faith.

With love in Christ, may God bless,

In the name of the Lord Jesus

Again...I cannot see your "blue" answers, you didn't use the quote function and I cannot see what you wrote. If you want a response, then you need to go back and use the quotes and not colors.
 
If you are risen in Christ, then you died and no longer live, but Christ lives in and through you.

......if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; (2 Corinthians 5:17b).

Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own (1 Corinthians 6:19)?

In the name of the Lord Jesus,..........

Now do you understand?

I see what you are saying, but that doesn't change the fact that when you say "we" when you mean "you," you make yourself look like you need to be on medication in a padded cell. On a more Biblical note, you need to understand that when you talk like that, whether you intend it or not, you are claiming that you are basically prophesying...that God is speaking directly through you. So, again, it doesn't bode well for how people look at your statements and what they think about you in their heads. No one in their sane mind will take you seriously.
 
We answered your comments in post #25. The color of the font of the text of our answers is blue.

Are the comments on post #25 clear to understand?

Again...the "we" and "our" makes you look like you need to be on psych medication...honestly. And again, no...I cannot see that color, and I am not going to try to strain my eyeballs trying.

Blessings.
 
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