What does this guy mean?

[Ultrasonic]

"We are constantly bombarded with evil thoughts. However, the last line of the post said:

God loves you and in no way thinks any less of you if bad thoughts come into your mind.

I can’t agree with that statement. We are to die daily and seek the Lord. We are to pray for deliverence. To imply that these thoughts are any less sin under estimates the depravity of our sin condition."

Kyle

This was taken off a blog and its just quite puzzling to me. Does he (Kyle) mean God will think less of us when evil thoughts come into our heads? Or does he mean it is wrong to not acknowledge evil thoughts as sinful temptation.

 

[RJ]

"We are constantly bombarded with evil thoughts. However, the last line of the post said:

God loves you and in no way thinks any less of you if bad thoughts come into your mind.

I can’t agree with that statement. We are to die daily and seek the Lord. We are to pray for deliverence. To imply that these thoughts are any less sin under estimates the depravity of our sin condition."

Kyle

This was taken off a blog and its just quite puzzling to me. Does he (Kyle) mean God will think less of us when evil thoughts come into our heads? Or does he mean it is wrong to not acknowledge evil thoughts as sinful temptation.

God loves you and in no way thinks any less of you if bad thoughts come into your mind.
I feel that the Bible is clear on the fact that Jesus Christ died for all sins. Bad thoughts are not possible from a perfect God as ours and are therefore, sinful.

But, God said (paraphrasing) that " Jesus Christ died for the sins of all and that he would look at them no more"

When it comes to our righteous and salvation, as a believer, sin is no longer a barrier, except the sin of unbelief.

Of course God loves all, He said that His love for us is unconditional. He loves us as much as He loves His only "begotten" Son and that means the saved and the unsaved!

 

[SpiritLedEd]

This was taken off a blog and its just quite puzzling to me.

Have you responded to Kyle's blog post and asked him to clarify his position?

SLE

 

[Faith4Bride]

"We are constantly bombarded with evil thoughts. However, the last line of the post said:

God loves you and in no way thinks any less of you if bad thoughts come into your mind.

I can’t agree with that statement. We are to die daily and seek the Lord. We are to pray for deliverence. To imply that these thoughts are any less sin under estimates the depravity of our sin condition."

Kyle

This was taken off a blog and its just quite puzzling to me. Does he (Kyle) mean God will think less of us when evil thoughts come into our heads? Or does he mean it is wrong to not acknowledge evil thoughts as sinful temptation.

It is true that we are bombarded with sinful thoughts. - Those sinful thoughts first comming to us is not a sin unto us- however, if we accept those thoughts and continue to think on them and believe them and they are how we think then it is sin unto us and we will be accountable for them.

For instance if the enemy says to me "look at what they guy looks like" and i just think in response " oh ya look at that he is ............" and let it go- then i am in sin for my unclean thoughts and imaginations.

We are told in the scriptures that wicked imaginations are sin, and we are told as beleivers what we are to do to handle them

2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

The way to do this is by being diligent and watching over everthing in our minds and by doing this:
Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Rom 12:1 ¶ I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


It is not ok to just say" well we are bombarded with evil thoughts buts its ok Jesus forgives it" and to just continue in evil thoughts.If we keep these thoughts and think this way we will not please God and we will live in sin.

 

[Boanerges]

I can’t agree with that statement. We are to die daily and seek the Lord. We are to pray for deliverence. To imply that these thoughts are any less sin under estimates the depravity of our sin condition." Kyle

Having a "good day" spiritually or a bad one, either way the only leg you have to stand on is the shed blood of Christ. Even on our best day we must understand that we are acceptable to the Father only as we are found in Christ.
So while we need to "take captive every thought", pick up our cross daily, die to self these are not the basis of our acceptance before the Father.
Our sins are judged in Christ. Does that mean we are free to commit them? Heavens no as we never want to grieve the Holy Spirit. It does mean that by faith we enter in through what Christ has imputed to us.

1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

 

[RJ]

God loves you and in no way thinks any less of you if bad thoughts come into your mind.
I feel that the Bible is clear on the fact that Jesus Christ died for all sins. Bad thoughts are not possible from a perfect God as ours and are therefore, sinful.

But, God said (paraphrasing) that " Jesus Christ died for the sins of all and that he would look at them no more"

When it comes to our righteous and salvation, as a believer, sin is no longer a barrier, except the sin of unbelief.

Of course God loves all, He said that His love for us is unconditional. He loves us as much as He loves His only "begotten" Son and that means the saved and the unsaved!

I would like to clarify some more points:

• Any thing we do that is outside of God's perfect will and nature seperates us from him and is therefore, sin.
• Any negative thought, negative action, bad thought, bad action can not coexist with the God Head.
• Therefore, be self assured that none of our bad or negative thoughts come from God, that is an impossibilty.
• The "Good News" is that Jesus took away all of our sins for God to look at them no more.

When we become "Born-Again" Christians, our sins die on the cross but we are still human, not perfect yet and we are therefore not dead to sinning.
To be human, is to sin, yes, even Christians. That does not mean that we love it like before but hate it and are now being constantly made aware of it by the Holy Spirit. But God looks in and sees Christ in you, doesn't see your transgressions but the holiness and righteousness of Christ.

Hallelujha, Praise God for His saving Grace!!!!

The "Key" to all of this is being born again.
You take this gift of forgiveness and you do something with it, you ask and recieve God's Spirit to live in you.

Will you continue to sin?
Well, we are not perfect yet, but because of your new birth, you are a new creature, born of spirit, a child of God and your inheritence is life eternal.

Jesus said (paraphrasing): " You will have troubles, but fear not, for I have overcome the world".

And so have you.

When troubles come, some of them sin, remember they are not from God but He is there inside you, turn and cast your burdens on Him.

 

[spirit1st]

satan puts evil thoughts in our mind , Just as the LORD does GOOD thoughts in our minds! we decide which thoughts to accept!

We can rebuke satan and tell him to get going and take his dumb thoughts with him , in the MIGHTY NAME of JESUS CHRIST! he must obey, but he will try again!


Mar 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.


satan put the thoughts in peters mind and peter thinking they were good , spoke them!

 

[RJ]

satan puts evil thoughts in our mind , Just as the LORD does! we decide which thoughts to accept!

We can rebuke satan and tell him to get going and take his dumb thoughts with him , in the MIGHTY NAME of JESUS CHRIST! he must obey, but he will try again!


Mar 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.


satan put the thoughts in peters mind and peter thinking they were good , spoke them!

satan puts evil thoughts in our mind , Just as the LORD does! we decide which thoughts to accept!

Please, show me where in the Bible that the Lord puts evil thoughts in our mind.

Satan certainly, but God is the perfect opposite of Satan.
There is no good in Satan, God is perfectly good.

Your statement that the Lord puts evil thoughts into the mind of man, is disturbing.

Until you can show me that this is a truth in the Bible, I reject it!

God is the most absolute perfect postive power source in the universe, negative or bad can not coexist in His being!!!

 

[spirit1st]

GOD puts GOOD thoughts in our minds satan puts evil thoughts

 

[RJ]

GOD puts GOOD thoughts in our minds satan puts evil thoughts

Originally Posted by spirit1st
satan puts evil thoughts in our mind , Just as the LORD does! we decide which thoughts to accept!


Whew!!!, thank you.
Either I have to learn to read or you need to write things differently!

So, you meant to say: just as the Lord puts good thoughts in our mind?

Like GrandPaw always said: " I can read the written but I can't read the wrotten"..(LOL)

 

[spirit1st]

I should have made it clearer ! Praise the LORD!

 

[trucker]

Bad thoughts come to all of us. The key is, do we act or meditate on these thoughts. You can not keep thoughts from coming, but you can control what you think on, but it is not sin when you have bad thoughts. It's acting on these thoughts when the problems begin.

In Phillipians 4:8-9 Gods word tells us to think on things that are lovely, true and of a good report. II Corth 10:5 tells us to bring our thoughts into captivity and cast down vain imaginations, and again in Romans 12:1-2 we are told to renew our minds. This is a life long process. The more you practice thinking on the things of God the easier it becomes to think Godly thoughts.

Everyday we are bombarded with words via the TV, work place, friends, family, movies and music. We can control some of these arenas, but once you enter the public arena you are subjected to things you do not choose to listen to. We can filter things that are said around us, but words produce thoughts. If a bad thought comes to mind, you cast it down and replace it with whatsoever things are lovely or of a good report. So do not be condemned if a bad thought comes, just put it in its proper place.

We are to die to self daily, but in that dying comes a process which constantly occurs. We are told to pick up the cross of Christ. That means, lean on what he did on that cross and die to your way of doing things. To pick up the cross of Christ is to submit to the finished work of Christ, understand who you are in that finished work, know that you died to self, the old man is dead, and you are a new creation in Christ. You now have the mind of Christ, have his Spirit in you to guide and direct you in the affairs of life!

You die to evil thoughts every day! In order not to have a bad thought you would have to die!

 

[RJ]

Bad thoughts come to all of us. The key is, do we act or meditate on these thoughts. You can not keep thoughts from coming, but you can control what you think on, but it is not sin when you have bad thoughts. It's acting on these thoughts when the problems begin.


In Phillipians 4:8-9 Gods word tells us to think on things that are lovely, true and of a good report. II Corth 10:5 tells us to bring our thoughts into captivity and cast down vain imaginations, and again in Romans 12:1-2 we are told to renew our minds. This is a life long process. The more you practice thinking on the things of God the easier it becomes to think Godly thoughts.

Everyday we are bombarded with words via the TV, work place, friends, family, movies and music. We can control some of these arenas, but once you enter the public arena you are subjected to things you do not choose to listen to. We can filter things that are said around us, but words produce thoughts. If a bad thought comes to mind, you cast it down and replace it with whatsoever things are lovely or of a good report. So do not be condemned if a bad thought comes, just put it in its proper place.

We are to die to self daily, but in that dying comes a process which constantly occurs. We are told to pick up the cross of Christ. That means, lean on what he did on that cross and die to your way of doing things. To pick up the cross of Christ is to submit to the finished work of Christ, understand who you are in that finished work, know that you died to self, the old man is dead, and you are a new creation in Christ. You now have the mind of Christ, have his Spirit in you to guide and direct you in the affairs of life!

You die to evil thoughts every day! In order not to have a bad thought you would have to die!

but it is not sin when you have bad thoughts.

So do not be condemned if a bad thought comes, just put it in its proper place.

My previous threads on this post were primarily to discuss how easy it is to sin.

For example, any bad or negative thought or action is outside of God's perfect will and nature, and therefore a sin.

Jesus Himself said:
28But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.Matthew 5:28

You can call that an action, if you want to but, it is as much a thought as anything.



Of course, Jesus died for this sin already and as a Christian our salvation is secure but sin is sin.

We died, our sin died on the cross but, unfortunately as a , imperfect being, we are not dead to sining.
That's why st. Paul said thanks be to God and that, "therefore there is no condemnation for those in Christ.

We should also emphasis that any negative or bad thought is not of God and not from Him.

 

[Lawligator]

"We are constantly bombarded with evil thoughts. However, the last line of the post said:

God loves you and in no way thinks any less of you if bad thoughts come into your mind.

I can’t agree with that statement. We are to die daily and seek the Lord. We are to pray for deliverence. To imply that these thoughts are any less sin under estimates the depravity of our sin condition."

Kyle

This was taken off a blog and its just quite puzzling to me. Does he (Kyle) mean God will think less of us when evil thoughts come into our heads? Or does he mean it is wrong to not acknowledge evil thoughts as sinful temptation.

I'll put what I think this way "Theirs nothing you can do to make God love you less just as theirs nothing you can do to make him love you more, God loves everyone the same(The drunk or the pastor he still loves the same)"

 

[Faith4Bride]

I'll put what I think this way "Theirs nothing you can do to make God love you less just as theirs nothing you can do to make him love you more, God loves everyone the same(The drunk or the pastor he still loves the same)"

This is what Jesus said about Gods love towards us.

Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jhn 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

 

[Lawligator]

This is what Jesus said about Gods love towards us.

Jhn 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jhn 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?


Jhn 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jhn 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Let us not forget Romans 8:39 "Wether we are high above the sky or in the deepest ocean, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the Love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Whom did Jesus suffer and die for? Just the pastor or just the drunk? I say he died for all because he loved all. Amen. If Jesus' Father (God) only loved those whom "keep my words" then why would Jesus come to "seek and save the lost".

 

[Faith4Bride]

Let us not forget Romans 8:39 "Wether we are high above the sky or in the deepest ocean, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the Love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Whom did Jesus suffer and die for? Just the pastor or just the drunk? I say he died for all because he loved all. Amen. If Jesus' Father (God) only loved those whom "keep my words" then why would Jesus come to "seek and save the lost".

Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?


Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.


Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.


Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,


Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


His love for us is IN Christ Jesus.- Notice none of the things mentioned above say that sin will not seperate us. Jesus told us to abide in Him. Only IN HIM is the love of God towards us. If we are abiding IN HIM nothing of the things mentioned can seperate us. BUT if we do not abide in Him because we walk in sin instead of faith and obedience then we arent abiding where the love of God is.

Jhn 15:1 ¶ I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.


Jhn 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.


Jhn 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.


Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.


Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast [them] into the fire, and they are burned.

Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.


Jhn 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.


Jhn 15:9 ¶ As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.


He came to seek that which was lost because those who are saved, were lost because God ordained them but they were not yet found. they are GIVEN to Jesus by God.

Jhn 17:6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

Jhn 17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

Jhn 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.


Jhn 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.


Jhn 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

Jhn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [are].


Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[Lawligator]

Sin does separate us from God but it does not mean he doesn't love us.

 

[Kit Carson]

What is an evil thought? How do you define an evil thought?

A new Christian has to be careful or live in fear. God does not wish you to live in fear that you are sinning daily.

For example I am a married man, have been for 27 years, so, I see this pretty girl, boy she is a cute one. So I talk to her, admire her, and flirt with her, I am attracted to her.

If I take it any further , that is the sin. I was created by God to live and enjoy life, but to also live a good life.

But I am not to live in fear that I am no good, just a sinner all the time. That is not the purpose of Gods word.

Many years ago I was a policeman and I had a fellow officer who had shot a person during a robbery. He was a new Christian and was very fearful that his taking of a life was going to send him to hell. Nothing could be further from the truth, but it took me many conversations to convince him of that. He had been brainwashed by his local religious experience and had some very wrong ideas.

So define sin, what is sin.....exactly.

Tis not always what some will have you think it is.

Kit

 

[Faith4Bride]

What is an evil thought? How do you define an evil thought?

A new Christian has to be careful or live in fear. God does not wish you to live in fear that you are sinning daily.

For example I am a married man, have been for 27 years, so, I see this pretty girl, boy she is a cute one. So I talk to her, admire her, and flirt with her, I am attracted to her.

If I take it any further , that is the sin. I was created by God to live and enjoy life, but to also live a good life.

But I am not to live in fear that I am no good, just a sinner all the time. That is not the purpose of Gods word.

Many years ago I was a policeman and I had a fellow officer who had shot a person during a robbery. He was a new Christian and was very fearful that his taking of a life was going to send him to hell. Nothing could be further from the truth, but it took me many conversations to convince him of that. He had been brainwashed by his local religious experience and had some very wrong ideas.

So define sin, what is sin.....exactly.

Tis not always what some will have you think it is.

Kit

anything that is not of faith is sin. according to the bible.

it is a bit distrubing that you believe that Christ bought you with His blood so that you can " enjoy life and live a good life" which you define as being able to flirt freely with young girls that are cute.- and that you took this idea and squashed another christians conscious with it.

Our lives in Christ are meant to be lived so that we can enjoy life in a carnal way.Our lives are to be for Christ. We are suppose to die to self so that only Christ lives in us and so we become conformed into His image.- Did Jesus flirt with girls, and that as a married man?

Are you taking up your cross daily? Or have you decided it is right to live your own life as pleases yourself at the expence of His sacrifice?