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Put together a video. God Bless.
What If I'm Born Gay?
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Put together a video. God Bless.
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Well done Brother! Right on point.
If you don't mind I'll be sharing this.
My sense is that unless one listens all the way to the end, one might easily not come to understand what is being communicated in this video.
Again, thanks for sharing this brother.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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Well done Brother! Right on point.
If you don't mind I'll be sharing this.
My sense is that unless one listens all the way to the end, one might easily not come to understand what is being communicated in this video.
Again, thanks for sharing this brother.
With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
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I'm not saying anyone necessarily is.
However knowing that parents clearly pass down various traits and behaviors and inclinations to their children, for example I don't know if you work
in mental health, but it is very clear to see if you chart family histories to see how alcoholism follows families, whether it is a spiritual bondage,
genetic issue, or both.
Working in Social Services, I know that Babies can be born addicted to drugs because the mother used while pregnant. Are you aware of that?
So the child gets born with various issues, whether issues of intense anger, or other issues due to parent's behaviors.
I think Christians think that if they were to admit that anything that is unlike God can be at birth than somehow God is at fault. However
remember what Jesus said when they asked Him who sinned that this man was born blind and He told them that it was so God could be
glorified. It is complicated.
I think it is obvious so see if you study any science or basic mental health the connection between parents and their children and I also think
spiritually there are generation curses as well. However the fact that it is obvious that people are born with all types of issues does not mean
that God is to blame.
Most men are born with issues of lust. By default most men have an inclination to cheat, it is something that has to be resisted.
So don't feel threatened by the fact that people may be born with any kind of sin nature, the Bible already tells us that we are.
The whole point of the video and I'm not sure if you watched it in its fullness is that the question about being born gay
is not even the question to ask. That is the whole point of the video. It entertains the possibility why someone could possibly
see themselves that way, but does not go down that road to the end, instead it stops and places the focus on Christ.
Hopefully others will get that take away .
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Love you my brother, please do share.
I have a Christian Blog and I shared it on there as well.
Thanks for the encouragement, God gets the glory but the encouragement helps us know that
we are lifting up Christ. Amen. Thanks.
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Thus the danger of homosexuals being able to adopt children. If society is accepting of it, and then teaches children that they may be homosexual, then they are raising homosexual children. Great perversion.
None are born homosexual. But they are certainly being groomed for homosexuality. What a cesspool.
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I used to be a counselor in a men's addiction group.
One thing I found over the years, is everyone seems to have certain tendencies.
Some like to lie, some like to steal, some like to look at pornography, some like to gamble. Some like the feeling drugs and alcohol gives them. Some like to over-eat, some like to be lazy, and well... it appears some of them .. "like men".
I think we are all born into sin, and we all have certain sins we are drawn to. I'm pretty sure almost all of us could say we've had a "pet sin" somewhere in our past.
Some of this could even be generational. If your parents were alcoholics, there's a higher chance you might be also. If your parents were over-weight, there's a higher chance you might be also.
For me... and a lot of men I suspect... it was pornography. It really had a grip on me. I tried for decades to stop doing it. I hated myself for doing it. I prayed, I cried, I got angry, and even thought about making myself blind.
I know people who are hooked on smoking, they want o quit but they just "can't". I know a man who would rather gamble his last dollar away than eat. He stood on street corners begging for money... so he could gamble.
One conversation I will never forget, a group of men talking around a table....
I could sleep in a bank full of money all night, and not take any... but I couldn't sleep in a liquor store and not drink any.
I could sleep in a liquor store all might and not drink any, but I couldn't sleep in a bakery and not eat sweets.
I could sleep in bakery all night and not anything, but I couldn't sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare at them.
I could sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare, but I couldn't sleep in a bar and not have beer. etc...
You get the idea. Everyone has that "one sin" that they keep going back to over and over again. It seems it's so hard to break it. One reason it's so hard is because we "love" that sin. We don't really want to quit doing it.
So yes, I suppose it's possible there are born homosexuals, just like there are born, liars, thieves, sex perverts, alcoholics and murderers.
But even so... just because we have a certain tendency to want to do a certain thing... doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it NOT sin just because I want to do it.
I can tell you as a man who struggled with pornography for decades.... it CAN be overcome. It can be defeated. For me it wasn't easy, it wasn't quick, but It's been about 9 years "sober" for me now.
I suspect it's the same way with homosexuality, you might love doing it. (It's still a sin) You might not want to quit doing it. But if we can get past what we want, and start focusing on what God wants... we truly can overcome.
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The old argument is... how can loving someone be a sin?
Homosexuality isn't about love.
I love men, I loved my dad, I love my sons, I love men I go to church with. But I don't sleep with them.
Homosexuality is about sex.
How can loving someone be wrong? If you think love and sex are the same thing... try "loving" your neighbors wife and see if he agrees.
Try "loving" your neighbors children and see if they agree.
One thing I found over the years, is everyone seems to have certain tendencies.
Some like to lie, some like to steal, some like to look at pornography, some like to gamble. Some like the feeling drugs and alcohol gives them. Some like to over-eat, some like to be lazy, and well... it appears some of them .. "like men".
I think we are all born into sin, and we all have certain sins we are drawn to. I'm pretty sure almost all of us could say we've had a "pet sin" somewhere in our past.
Some of this could even be generational. If your parents were alcoholics, there's a higher chance you might be also. If your parents were over-weight, there's a higher chance you might be also.
For me... and a lot of men I suspect... it was pornography. It really had a grip on me. I tried for decades to stop doing it. I hated myself for doing it. I prayed, I cried, I got angry, and even thought about making myself blind.
I know people who are hooked on smoking, they want o quit but they just "can't". I know a man who would rather gamble his last dollar away than eat. He stood on street corners begging for money... so he could gamble.
One conversation I will never forget, a group of men talking around a table....
I could sleep in a bank full of money all night, and not take any... but I couldn't sleep in a liquor store and not drink any.
I could sleep in a liquor store all might and not drink any, but I couldn't sleep in a bakery and not eat sweets.
I could sleep in bakery all night and not anything, but I couldn't sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare at them.
I could sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare, but I couldn't sleep in a bar and not have beer. etc...
You get the idea. Everyone has that "one sin" that they keep going back to over and over again. It seems it's so hard to break it. One reason it's so hard is because we "love" that sin. We don't really want to quit doing it.
So yes, I suppose it's possible there are born homosexuals, just like there are born, liars, thieves, sex perverts, alcoholics and murderers.
But even so... just because we have a certain tendency to want to do a certain thing... doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it NOT sin just because I want to do it.
I can tell you as a man who struggled with pornography for decades.... it CAN be overcome. It can be defeated. For me it wasn't easy, it wasn't quick, but It's been about 9 years "sober" for me now.
I suspect it's the same way with homosexuality, you might love doing it. (It's still a sin) You might not want to quit doing it. But if we can get past what we want, and start focusing on what God wants... we truly can overcome.
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The old argument is... how can loving someone be a sin?
Homosexuality isn't about love.
I love men, I loved my dad, I love my sons, I love men I go to church with. But I don't sleep with them.
Homosexuality is about sex.
How can loving someone be wrong? If you think love and sex are the same thing... try "loving" your neighbors wife and see if he agrees.
Try "loving" your neighbors children and see if they agree.
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some interesting and good points being raised here.
thanks for sharing @Jesus_is_LORD
Bless you all ....><>
thanks for sharing @Jesus_is_LORD
Bless you all ....><>
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Good post with good examples, but I am not totally sure with some of what you say.
I think there could be a sin tenancy passed down through the generations as we are all born in sin. This would be similar to what you are suggesting, I think. But only God knows how this works, I add a couple of scripture verses for thought. But, the Gay craze now is in most cases not because of the previous generations being Gay. What we are seeing is a twisted world, where the devil appears to have domain, and the sheep following the sheep, they are like sheep without a shepherd, they are sheep without a shepherd.
Psalm 51:5 (NKJV)
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Exodus 34:6-9 (NKJV)
6 And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth,
7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children's children to the third and the fourth generation."
8 So Moses made haste and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped.
9 Then he said, "If now I have found grace in Your sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray, go among us, even though we are a stiff-necked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance."
Deuteronomy 5:5-10 (NKJV)
5 I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
6 'I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
7 'You shall have no other gods before Me.
8 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
10 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Good post with good examples, but I am not totally sure with some of what you say.
I think there could be a sin tenancy passed down through the generations as we are all born in sin. This would be similar to what you are suggesting, I think. But only God knows how this works, I add a couple of scripture verses for thought. But, the Gay craze now is in most cases not because of the previous generations being Gay. What we are seeing is a twisted world, where the devil appears to have domain, and the sheep following the sheep, they are like sheep without a shepherd, they are sheep without a shepherd.
Psalm 51:5 (NKJV)
5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Exodus 34:6-9 (NKJV)
6 And the LORD passed before him and proclaimed, "The LORD, the LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth,
7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children's children to the third and the fourth generation."
8 So Moses made haste and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped.
9 Then he said, "If now I have found grace in Your sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray, go among us, even though we are a stiff-necked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us as Your inheritance."
Deuteronomy 5:5-10 (NKJV)
5 I stood between the LORD and you at that time, to declare to you the word of the LORD; for you were afraid because of the fire, and you did not go up the mountain. He said:
6 'I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
7 'You shall have no other gods before Me.
8 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
9 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
10 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
I strongly dissagre with your stance on this issue. I to struggled with the idea of homosexuality on one side science proves that pre-birth factors determine sexuality and other major things, while on the other hand JC never even mentions homosexuality and certain bible quotes are agienst these relationships. After being challenged by a lot of mental gymnastics I have come to the conclusion that back then times were so different that the concept of a loving relationship between 2 men or 2 woman. I know the quotes you may through at me e.g. from leviticus but these were written at a time of patriarchy and are actually a mistranslation in addition these laws from leviticus were written for the jewish people to be distinct from every other nation.
I greatfully bless you all and am greatfull for this discussion. Bless you
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I never struggled with it at all. Homosexuality is an abomination to God. (Lev. 18:22) (Lev. 20:13) (Rom. 1:18-32) Concerning God, though the times change, He doesn't change. We know His mind concerning homosexuality. Though we are not under the Law, is immaterial. We know the mind of God concerning this. Just like with stealing or murder. We are not under the law. That doesn't mean stealing and murdering are acceptable to God. It isn't. Neither is being a queer.
Jesus Christ confirmed all that is said in the Old Testament is from God. (Matt. 5:18) There is no mistranslation here. And just because one is not a Jew doesn't mean the mind of God changes concerning homosexualtiy. Foolish. You're just looking for some sort of salve to ease your guilt ridden conscience.
You can have your loving relationship of 2 homosexuals if you want. It doesn't change God's view of you. You are an abomination to God.
Do you bless me? Are you grateful?
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Trully I am greatfull. But I still strongly dissagre with your statement. I give you that God dosnt change and that the Lord can not be wrong but my only concern is: personally I have not seen the bible fall from heaven, (and also there are so many versions) but it is inspired by the holy spirit (divine inspiration) there for it is safe to say that that we must interpret the bible into modern contexts, I belive this due to the vast number of pointless laws in the old testament and it's positive stance to slavarey. I would also like to add that the quote: Leviticus 20:13 (KJV) has been mistranslated: the word man has been mistranslated from the hebrew word for young boy and mankind was mistranslated from man, at least I think so from the research I made.
I am happy to have this discussion with you, God Bless.
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You're whole argument is that the Bible is wrong when it speaks of God's hatred for homosexuality. Which immediately makes you wrong.
There are no pointless laws in the Old Tesament. Slavery was instituted by God. So what? You don't like it either so whatever the Bible says about slavery must be reckoned to be a mistranslation. You see what you are doing. You're writing your own bible.
Scripture is clear that homosexuality is an abomination to God. Both Old and New Testaments are in agreement. That will never change.
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You didn't watch the video at all.
I so strongly dissagre with you, you say I am writing my own Bible, I'm not. I'm simply considering the society at the time, and that God did not write this book meaning there could be bieces. You say both old and new testament are in agreement but there are so many contradictions e.g.; Genesis 32:30&John1:18. Thus this shows that the bible can be an unreliable source to dictate a persona life with.
I have bit it's hard to get your head around, don't worry I'm still watching over it. God bless
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I like how at the end it speaks to the ex-gay's giving voice to their redemption in Christ through their own pride march.
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Of course ex-gay's are the target of LGBTQ intolerance as much as are Christian business owners who refuse to approve the abomination of "gay marriage".
A great scriptural lesson really. Those who are sexually immoral demand to be tolerated in their sin, while seeking to insure any who would speak against it are not tolerated at all.
Great video. A "must-share".
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Dear sister,
If you think that the Bible can be unreliable you are immediately doubting God's Word.
I think you have quoted two wrong scriptures, maybe you can confirm the ones you intended to add please.
The LGBTQ+ have always used the fact that we are saved by Brace not by the Law, we are Free from the Law. So I do not state Leviticus to you as you know what it says and what has been said regarding the Law. But be careful on the Law because the 10 Commandments still apply, if they don't a person would be saying, you can kill, you can covet, you can commit adultery etc, etc.
It is true Jesus did not say anything about homosexuality and lesbianism, that is because he didn't come across it in His Ministry, but He did confirm about marriage between a man and woman and quoted why Moses had to allow a certificate of divorce. Let us move on into the New Testament though.
Matthew 19:3-11 (NKJV)
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?"
4 And He answered and said to them, "Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning 'made them male and female,'
5 and said, 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'?
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
7 They said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce, and to put her away?"
8 He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
9 And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced commits adultery."
10 His disciples said to Him, "If such is the case of the man with his wife, it is better not to marry."
11 But He said to them, "All cannot accept this saying, but only those to whom it has been given:
Romans 1:18-32 (NKJV)
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (NKJV)
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Homosexuality and Lesbianism is not new, from Sodom and Gomorrah. it was there 2000 years ago, it was there 100 years ago, celebrities have used today's media to try convince many, they are blind leading blind, sheep without a shepherd, scripture warns us, be certain of that.
Matthew 19:23-24 (NKJV)
23 Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Assuredly, I say to you that it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Trust in the Lord with all your heart sister and lean not on your own understanding, in all your ways acknowledge Him and He will guide your path.
Bless you
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Of course you are writing your own Bible. The Bible as it is cannot be trusted, you say. It is an unreliable source, as you say. Again, your whole argument is that the Bible is wrong when it speaks of God's hatred of homosexuality.
You disagree with the Bible. You don't disagree with me. I have said nothing more than the Bible says.
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