What if you die tonight?

[Sue D.]

We'd been married for 46 yrs.

There wasn't a hint of feminism involved. I didn't really spend money and my husband grew up very poor. After a while we had separate checkbooks. I didn't work outside the home.

He was a Dave Ramsey person.

We built our own home a little at a time. That was 30-some years ago.

Three marriages-- wow. That's a lot of emotional stuff to go through.

 

[Sue D.]

I was just looking at your bio info . you're from SE Texas. So you know where Austin / Taylor / Georgetown/ Round Rock are.

 

[Christina2000]

Hi,
If a person has received Christ as Saviour, they are prepared for death, come when it may.

 

[Sue D.]

That's a beautiful song.

 

[Bill]

Hi,
If a person has received Christ as Saviour, they are prepared for death, come when it may.

I don't know if I could fully agree with that only because I've met so many people that say they accepted Christ as Savior and then they live the opposite life as if they never really did in the first place

I mean there's all sorts of variations of that as well

For the part some will come across as a really good Christian but you mentioned the word Catholic to them and holy cow Wonder what the heck happened to the Christianity

Being Christian is All or Nothing. You either do what the Lord tells you to do including loving your neighbor as yourself and loving God in all ways or forget about it because you're being a hypocrite for what you think you are

It is why seeking forgiveness for sins that we have committed are still important it's not just a one-time thing

 

[Sue D.]

Also. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, the holy Spirit comes to indwell the person immediately. An inner change takes place and their desires will be different in a positive way. The person will not keep on doing whatever.

 

[Bill]

Also. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, the holy Spirit comes to indwell the person immediately. An inner change takes place and their desires will be different in a positive way. The person will not keep on doing whatever.

That is not nessicarly true either. John spoke of 2 baptisms , not to mention a man who i was present with while he was recieving the water baptism, the Lord told me to baptisize him in the Holy Spirit after he comes up out of the water.

Also we know John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit before birth.

Basically , the soul has to be ready to recieve the Holy Spirit.

 

[Bill]

Also. When a person accepts Jesus Christ as their personal Savior, the holy Spirit comes to indwell the person immediately. An inner change takes place and their desires will be different in a positive way. The person will not keep on doing whatever.

I have spoken to well established church members from many different churches, including Baptist, and i am telling you Sue. There are many who feel they deserve a lot of things, but it is thier sinful nature that stops God from being in thier lives.

It is because they feel that by claiming that Jesus is thier Lord, it justifies them to sin, and to do whatever they want.

 

[Bill]

This is why i am so against the "Done " teaching. It is so false a teaching. Just read the book 'Done' . It contradicts itself before you get half way through the book.

The author states, that since Jesus died on the cross, there is nothing we can do.

That in itself is false. We have to accept Jesus, and then we have to maintain our faith by reading scripture and fellowship. Also Jesus directs us to go out and preach the word. The teaching of Jesus is not one of passive living, but marching forward, or as Paul states, running the race. Our faith is an active faith

 

[Sue D.]

@Bill -- for one thing I don't know 3ho told you to baptize a guy in the holy Spirit after he came up out of the baptisimal water but it wasn't the lord. Ad soon as person accepts Jesus Christ as personal Savior it automatically takes place.

You also commented about Done -- are you by chance talking about OSAS.

 

[Sue D.]

I have spoken to well established church members from many different churches, including Baptist, and i am telling you Sue. There are many who feel they deserve a lot of things, but it is thier sinful nature that stops God from being in thier lives.

It is because they feel that by claiming that Jesus is thier Lord, it justifies them to sin, and to do whatever they want.

A person can claim that Jesus Christ is their Lord, bit if their life doesn't show it and if they have that attitude, then salvation has Not taken place. Once saved always saved does Not justify anyone. Ñothing ever justifies sinning. The wages of sin is death. However when a person does accept Jesus Christ we are justified. God sees us through the blood of Christ 'just as if we'd never sinned.'.

 

[Bill]

@Bill -- for one thing I don't know 3ho told you to baptize a guy in the holy Spirit after he came up out of the baptisimal water but it wasn't the lord. Ad soon as person accepts Jesus Christ as personal Savior it automatically takes place.

You also commented about Done -- are you by chance talking about OSAS.

Sue have you ever heard me say that you do not have the Holy Spirit In You why then would you say that to me.

I laid out a few examples for you even in understanding that not everything is cut and dry. There are many examples in the scripture or people have the gifts of the Holy Spirit and yet do not know Jesus.

As an example you have Elijah who we know had the gifts of the Spirit in him. And his servant received a double portion of the Holy Spirit. Both of them did not know Jesus in their head but they understood the Word and we know that the Word is Jesus.

Now you of all people should know as a fact that God doesn't always do things the way that everybody thinks they should do it.

And I really do not know why the church is our teaching that just because a person receives Jesus automatically means that they receive the Holy Spirit when they are two completely different Individuals.

One God but a Trinity.

John the Baptist who was filled with the Holy Spirit from birth stated that I baptize you with water but the one who comes after me will baptize you with fire and Power.

Jesus also stated that he had to leave to allow the Holy Spirit to come

I think I'm getting a little bit over your head with this stuff already. Because I know you and you're convicted on the whole idea that one baptism does it all.

If one baptism did it all why would Paul preached about a second baptism. If one baptism did it all why not just talk about the water baptism and nothing more?

 

[Sue D.]

Bill you're not getting over my head at all. We just don't agree on a couple of things

Also I remember having a similar conversation a while back.

John the Baptist did happen that way but was a rare happening.

Will continue later. Have to put my phone on the charger. I don't have my computer , only my phone.

 

[Shaolin]

There are many examples in the scripture or people have the gifts of the Holy Spirit and yet do not know Jesus.

Wrong...there is no such example. You demonstrate yet once again that you don't know how to read Scripture. No one has a gift of the Spirit unless they are saved and walking with God in Christ. Aside from that, having a gift of the Spirit has nothing to do with knowing Christ, it has everything to do with being in covenant with God in Christ.

As an example you have Elijah who we know had the gifts of the Spirit in him. And his servant received a double portion of the Holy Spirit. Both of them did not know Jesus in their head but they understood the Word and we know that the Word is Jesus.

Wrong again. The Holy Spirit was not given to people until after the cross. Elijah did NOT have the gifts of the Spirit, he was specifically anointed by God to do certain things, and when he performed in those things, the Spirit of God came UPON him, He was never "in him."

Having said that, people automatically receive the INDWELLING Spirit when they get saved, and only rarely do people also receive the baptism of the Spirit upon conversion and baptism. I have seen this, but again it is rare. Usually a person does not receive the baptism in the Spirit unless they have been specifically called to certain offices or duties within the church body. That is to say, not everyone who gets saved receives the baptism in the Spirit. The indwelling Spirit and the baptism in the Spirit are indeed two completely different things as taught in Scripture.

 

[Bill]

Bill you're not getting over my head at all. We just don't agree on a couple of things

Also I remember having a similar conversation a while back.

John the Baptist did happen that way but was a rare happening.

Will continue later. Have to put my phone on the charger. I don't have my computer , only my phone.

Not agreeing on certain subjects does not stop a person from receiving the Holy Spirit. I've known quite a few people that are Spirit-filled and yet come from quite a variety of different churches including the Catholic Church.

Now we know that God doesn't mind giving out the Holy Spirit to a variety of people. Yet all have a common core belief. And the combination of the Common Core belief and being filled with love for God and each other is the bottom line.

Everything else is politics

 

[Bill]

Wrong...there is no such example. You demonstrate yet once again that you don't know how to read Scripture. No one has a gift of the Spirit unless they are saved and walking with God in Christ. Aside from that, having a gift of the Spirit has nothing to do with knowing Christ, it has everything to do with being in covenant with God in Christ.



Wrong again. The Holy Spirit was not given to people until after the cross. Elijah did NOT have the gifts of the Spirit, he was specifically anointed by God to do certain things, and when he performed in those things, the Spirit of God came UPON him, He was never "in him."

Having said that, people automatically receive the INDWELLING Spirit when they get saved, and only rarely do people also receive the baptism of the Spirit upon conversion and baptism. I have seen this, but again it is rare. Usually a person does not receive the baptism in the Spirit unless they have been specifically called to certain offices or duties within the church body. That is to say, not everyone who gets saved receives the baptism in the Spirit. The indwelling Spirit and the baptism in the Spirit are indeed two completely different things as taught in Scripture.

You're really something else I'm happy that you are going to experience something really new and refreshing when the time comes.
. But until that time you'll still live with your eyes closed

 

[Bill]

I know I'm getting a little bit off-topic here but I just want to ask some of those who are responding to both me and sue if you have any understanding of what spiritual maturity is.

Spiritual maturity is not someone who is 99 years old and read the scripture every day. Spiritual maturity has to do with the level in which people talk to each other in the Lord.

When people have to result in name-calling and putting each other down in a rather vicious way then you are showing yourself as being completely immature

In my personal opinion the spiritual maturity on some people there's nothing greater than a child or a teenager that is completely out of control. There is no call for some of those name-calling labeling and other such things. Especially those I saw being used again Sue that I thought were outrageous and actually had no place here

So I'm saying that if people are going to come here and discuss things whether they agree or disagree at least let us be civil and what US at least practice the maturity that we believe that we do have, verses showing all the newcomers what we should not be

 

[Rhema]

When people have to result in name-calling and putting each other down in a rather vicious way then you are showing yourself as being completely immature

But they started it, mom....

 

[Bill]

But they started it, mom....

Lol ya

 

[Bill]

Back to subject , what if i die tonight , what if .

Are we here to worry where we are going? Or are we here to get the Lords job done.

Me, it is about getting the job done. To do the task assinged, and not to worry about placement at the table.

If God chooses me to be last at the table, that is great. I am still at the table.

Personally i like serving those who are sitting.