What if you die tonight?

[Bill]

Faith comes by the word of God. The more word you know the more faith and discerment you will have.

Faith and discernment do not happen outside the Word of God.

Curtis, nothing ever happens outside the Word of God.

Just out of curiosity, do you know what the Word of God is?

" in the beginning was the Word... the Word was with God and the Word was God... the Word became flesh and dwelt among us"

 

[Bill]

The basic truths of salvation are easily understood -- and we Are told to question a pastor if we want to -- We are to search the Scriptures for ourselves so that we Can recognize false teaching. The pastor at the church I go to tells Us to listen to God's Word which he is teaching us. Preachers / teachers are still human beings who are to be learning, Too.

Now you Really have my attention. Since when is a pre-trib rapture a false teaching. And Lots of people challenge a pre-trib rapture. But it Is very much in the Bible. It wasn't made up by anyone as some people feel it has been.
It simply means that all born-again believers / the Church/ Will be taken up to meet Jesus Christ in the air and it will happen Before the 7 yr tribulation begins. And That is known Because of Daniel 9 :24 - 27 and especially vs 27 which is describing the final 'week' = 7 yrs. And That hasn't happened yet. That last 7 yrs. is yet to happen. And the church is going to take taken up and out Before that takes place. Hense, pre-trib rapture taking place.

On the translation and common thinking of Rev. Especially the Seals. There are huge errors. Many feel the 1st Seal is the antiChrist, it is not. The First Seal was conquering peace. It was the Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel.

Ive explained all this before. But the voice crying from the wilderness only lands on deaf ears

 

[Curtis]

Just out of curiosity, do you know what the Word of God is?

Bill, Jesus Christ is the "Word of God."

Do you know what "words" the Word of God speaks?

 

[Sue D.]

On the translation and common thinking of Rev. Especially the Seals. There are huge errors. Many feel the 1st Seal is the antiChrist, it is not. The First Seal was conquering peace. It was the Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel.

Ive explained all this before. But the voice crying from the wilderness only lands on deaf ears

So Now you're an expert on the book of Revelation? No -- God is the author -- you are merely another human reader.
You're setting yourself up as having some inside knowledge - but you don't. any more than any of us do.

 

[amadeus2]

This is the post I was referring to -- a normal person Doesn't see God. God did appear to Moses in the burning bush in the Old Testament. So , no, according to God's Word -- no one has ever seen God -- He's a Spirit.

Angels are part of the invisible spirit world -- so -- your hearing and working with them daily?! And Scripture Does say that there are angels amongst us -- however -- I dare say that we mingle with real live people on a daily basis.

And you Might have some 'issues' to deal with.

But men have indeed seen God at least in part or as through a glass darkly. Even though Moses was unable to see His face, he was allowed to see His "back parts".

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen." Ex 33:20-23

How well are we able to see His face today? Have any of us arrived at that then yet?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12

 

[amadeus2]

On the translation and common thinking of Rev. Especially the Seals. There are huge errors. Many feel the 1st Seal is the antiChrist, it is not. The First Seal was conquering peace. It was the Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel.

Ive explained all this before. But the voice crying from the wilderness only lands on deaf ears

Speak softly my friend and be not so quick to give yourself the glory. If there is glory to be given for any knowledge of Truth you have, give it to God from whom it all comes!

 

[Bill]

Speak softly my friend and be not so quick to give yourself the glory. If there is glory to be given for any knowledge of Truth you have, give it to God from whom it all comes!

Thank you brother.

My heart goes out to Gods children, so unprepared. How does anyone warn , when others are so staunch with thier beliefs.

I must try.

 

[Br. Bear]

@Bill
Greetings Bill,

When we learn to trust the Gifts of the Spirit, especially God's peace in Discernment. Then we grow in faith.

Lets say there is a well known preacher, and he starts teaching a false message. Will you be able to recognize that false message. Do you recognize through Discernment . Even when all are enamored at his wisdom.

Ministering spirits minister, this i think you know and don't forget as quickly as others might.

Let us give thanks to the LORD, for He is good! His merciful loving kindness endureth forever!

As for growing in faith, well may it be. We grow this way or that but we do have a faithful Gardener. Perhaps a better way of saying what you said [and many do] is that, in faith, we grow. We walk by faith and if there is no peace, we either freeze or run!
however, all this is by love, so, walk ye in it.

Bless you ....><>

Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Hebrews 1:14

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings fellow Members,

a kind reminder that this thread is about what if you die tonight, and is here for those who are not sure of the Salvation of God in His Son, to consider, as well as for those who have never really thought of the fact that, one day, might be the day, that one dies... and then what?
And if a person who does not know the Lord and has not His peace in believing should look at this thread, interested in that thought, What If You Die Tonight?, will they, upon reading through the recent discussion being held in the last couple of pages, find what is essential for them to answer that question?

Some, or at least most, Christians are aware of their Saviour, or else they would not be Christian. We know that God sent His Son. We also know the severity of God in doing so, that although it was due to love, His love, not ours, He is to be taken seriously as to what He has done for all who will believe. Most of us have acknowledged the need for the Saviour, Whom God had promised to send. We have hope, where we did not and could not, before we heard.

As we go about our replying here, and elsewhere, let us remember that many come to TalkJesus as guests, and many are indeed searching and are perhaps even led to such places online as this, by the Lord, so that they can read things that they are not hearing in the world.
Perhaps all we do is a little watering, but let us remember, prayerfully, that the land is dry and thirsty and while we have been satisfied, should we think nothing of that refreshment we have received, there may be one day, that question asked.... what if you die tonight?

May God's Grace and Peace be with you all, as you fellowship in His love


Bless you ....><>

 

[Sue D.]

On the translation and common thinking of Rev. Especially the Seals. There are huge errors. Many feel the 1st Seal is the antiChrist, it is not. The First Seal was conquering peace. It was the Peace Treaty between Egypt and Israel.

Ive explained all this before. But the voice crying from the wilderness only lands on deaf ears

Bill -- I'm looking at Revelation 6 which tells of each of the seals -- the first one listed is in vs 2 "And I looked, and behold, a white horse, He who sat on it had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
the 2nd seal is found in vs 3 & 4 "When He opened the 2nd seal I heard the second living creature saying, "Come and see". Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace From the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword."

God's Word is the truth -- the controversy comes in how people choose to translate it. Interpret it.

The passage you're referring to is John 1:15 and in vs 23 John , the author of the book, was quoting Isaiah passage "the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Make straight the way of the Lord."
That is Also quoted in Matthew 3:1-3. John the Baptist// Isaiah 40:3

Lots of the book of Revelation is yet to happen. And lots of us believe that the Church won't be here for any of it. And why would believers Need to feel / experience God's wrath -- we've accepted Him. It's for those who haven't as yet and will if they aren't believers at the time Of His future coming for His saints.

 

[Sue D.]

Only a born again believer ? Who does Paul refer to when he is talking about the pagans " they may not know the law, but can point to the substance of the law written in thier hearts "

Being a born again only means you have been given greater responcibility. It doesnt give special privilages to be first in heaven .

Being a Christian means we have been given stewardship to the rest of mankind. We are to be the servants, not the masters

Okay -- Bill -- How does a person /how did you become 'born again'. And you've also said that your being born again -- the possibility of you dying tonight doesn't bother you. That is what concern Me. You seem to feel that your time won't be coming for quite some time. Well -- with the mass shootings of the last couple of days -- we don't know when 'our' time is coming. Those people who have suddenly died these past couple of days were taken totally by surprise. They didn't know that they wouldn't even get back to their cars.

Well -- it doesn't bother me, either.
Because I know where I'll be -- immediate in the presence of the Lord Jesus / God. But that has nothing to do with keeping commandments In order TO be in heaven. I've been given no vision or assurance of my special time For being with Jesus Christ for eternity.

And I'm not trying to tell people that those who believe in the pre-trib rapture are falling prey to a false doctrine. That is strictly on how people interpret passages of Scripture. And a person can be convinced of a mid-trib rapture and not be falling prey to a false doctrine.

Being a Christian / born-again Does mean that we need to be sharing the Gospel unto salvation with anyone who's willing to listen. Our lives Should be leading others To Christ rather than away from Him. Being a Christian - we Should be doing the best job we can while we are on the clock working.

The born-again person won't be going up first -- the dead in Christ will rise first -- that's what Scripture tells us. No special privileges. Just that 'we' will be in heaven with God for eternity. Not in hell. And hell isn't going to be just some sort-term mess to deal with and then no longer exist.

How does a person Become one of the servants. We Are supposed to be serving each other.

In the beginning - in the garden -- Adam was given stewardship / dominion over the animals -- not other people.

 

[Quantrill]

What if you died tonight? Talk about a change. Death changes everything. Of course the believer in Christ has the assurance of his salvation and his born-again spirit which helps in the transition I am sure. Still, what a shock to the system.

Because our deaths, the Christians, are precious to God, (Ps. 116:15), I know He will be present, in the Person of Christ, at that time and make our change as easy as possible. Not only in reference to the change, but in reference also to our loss of those we leave behind. When we were young we grieved over those who left us in death. When we get old, and see death coming, we become aware we are going to leave others behind, and grieve over that.

It is my opinion that the more 'spiritual' the believer is here and now, the easier the death experience will be. One may be saved, but is not walking in the Spirit. Maybe even in rebellion against God. I think the transition for them will be difficult, no matter how briefly it will last. But, if the believer is walking in the Spirit, he is tuned in to the things of the Spirit, so that moving into that world of the Spirit is not foreign. But if the believer has been only walking in the flesh, then there will be some struggle, I believe.

It doesn't matter how young or old one is. Every day your body is dying. We as believers must let it die, learn to live the crucified life, having your spirit rule and not the body. (Gal. 2:20) Not only is that profitable for us now, but it will be of great value on that day.

Quantrill

 

[amadeus2]

Thank you brother.

My heart goes out to Gods children, so unprepared. How does anyone warn , when others are so staunch with thier beliefs.

I must try.

The ones who really love Him will be reaching out in the ways that He has led them. We can pray and we can advise when the person permits it, but each one must in the end of it work out his own walk and salvation. That some falter and stumble is the way of men. We can be ready if we are there to support and encourage as we are able. God will sometime allow us to be helpers for those believer in need or those unbelievers reaching out for they know not what.
Give God the glory!

 

[Bill]

The ones who really love Him will be reaching out in the ways that He has led them. We can pray and we can advise when the person permits it, but each one must in the end of it work out his own walk and salvation. That some falter and stumble is the way of men. We can be ready if we are there to support and encourage as we are able. God will sometime allow us to be helpers for those believer in need or those unbelievers reaching out for they know not what.
Give God the glory!

The struggles i go through sometimes are of those things that have not happened yet but will. God's calling . This Work / Life it leads to my death. But i am not afraid of that. The Glory of God is in it.
Certainly God's Glory will be in all that takes place. I just wonder sometimes , what will cause God to want to cause so much suffering.

For it is written " they are able to " " strike the whole world with any plague as often as they like "

 

[Bill]

What if you died tonight? Talk about a change. Death changes everything. Of course the believer in Christ has the assurance of his salvation and his born-again spirit which helps in the transition I am sure. Still, what a shock to the system.

Because our deaths, the Christians, are precious to God, (Ps. 116:15), I know He will be present, in the Person of Christ, at that time and make our change as easy as possible. Not only in reference to the change, but in reference also to our loss of those we leave behind. When we were young we grieved over those who left us in death. When we get old, and see death coming, we become aware we are going to leave others behind, and grieve over that.

It is my opinion that the more 'spiritual' the believer is here and now, the easier the death experience will be. One may be saved, but is not walking in the Spirit. Maybe even in rebellion against God. I think the transition for them will be difficult, no matter how briefly it will last. But, if the believer is walking in the Spirit, he is tuned in to the things of the Spirit, so that moving into that world of the Spirit is not foreign. But if the believer has been only walking in the flesh, then there will be some struggle, I believe.

It doesn't matter how young or old one is. Every day your body is dying. We as believers must let it die, learn to live the crucified life, having your spirit rule and not the body. (Gal. 2:20) Not only is that profitable for us now, but it will be of great value on that day.

Quantrill

You would think there is some truth to what you are saying. But it isnt being in a spiritual life that will make it easier, the passing from this life to the next is made easier by your love for God.

In loving your Father, your Brother Jesus, you will be going home

 

[Bill]

Okay -- Bill -- How does a person /how did you become 'born again'. And you've also said that your being born again -- the possibility of you dying tonight doesn't bother you. That is what concern Me. You seem to feel that your time won't be coming for quite some time. Well -- with the mass shootings of the last couple of days -- we don't know when 'our' time is coming. Those people who have suddenly died these past couple of days were taken totally by surprise. They didn't know that they wouldn't even get back to their cars.

Well -- it doesn't bother me, either.
Because I know where I'll be -- immediate in the presence of the Lord Jesus / God. But that has nothing to do with keeping commandments In order TO be in heaven. I've been given no vision or assurance of my special time For being with Jesus Christ for eternity.

And I'm not trying to tell people that those who believe in the pre-trib rapture are falling prey to a false doctrine. That is strictly on how people interpret passages of Scripture. And a person can be convinced of a mid-trib rapture and not be falling prey to a false doctrine.

Being a Christian / born-again Does mean that we need to be sharing the Gospel unto salvation with anyone who's willing to listen. Our lives Should be leading others To Christ rather than away from Him. Being a Christian - we Should be doing the best job we can while we are on the clock working.

The born-again person won't be going up first -- the dead in Christ will rise first -- that's what Scripture tells us. No special privileges. Just that 'we' will be in heaven with God for eternity. Not in hell. And hell isn't going to be just some sort-term mess to deal with and then no longer exist.

How does a person Become one of the servants. We Are supposed to be serving each other.

In the beginning - in the garden -- Adam was given stewardship / dominion over the animals -- not other people.

Sue i became born again the same way John the Baptist did, in my mothers womb.

From my earliest memories, Jesus has walked with me.

I have always loved God

 

[Bill]

Bill -- I'm looking at Revelation 6 which tells of each of the seals -- the first one listed is in vs 2 "And I looked, and behold, a white horse, He who sat on it had a bow, and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
the 2nd seal is found in vs 3 & 4 "When He opened the 2nd seal I heard the second living creature saying, "Come and see". Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace From the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword."

God's Word is the truth -- the controversy comes in how people choose to translate it. Interpret it.

The passage you're referring to is John 1:15 and in vs 23 John , the author of the book, was quoting Isaiah passage "the voice of one crying in the wilderness: Make straight the way of the Lord."
That is Also quoted in Matthew 3:1-3. John the Baptist// Isaiah 40:3

Lots of the book of Revelation is yet to happen. And lots of us believe that the Church won't be here for any of it. And why would believers Need to feel / experience God's wrath -- we've accepted Him. It's for those who haven't as yet and will if they aren't believers at the time Of His future coming for His saints.

You asked about why would believers need to experience such wrath.

But you forget about the 400 yrs of slavery to the ppl that are refered to the heart of God. And you forget about the number of years of the early Christians with Nero. What about the Holocaust.

God allows mans inhumanity to man all the time.

But to your comfort, i will say this. (Maybe not so. Lol) the person who saves his life will lose it, and the one who loses his life for my sake (Jesus) will find everlasting life

 

[Curtis]

i became born again the same way John the Baptist did, in my mothers womb.

Bill, John the Baptist was never ever born again!! He was born filled with the Spirit, but never did he experience the new birth. Jesus said......

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

John preached about the coming of the Kingdom of God, but he was never in it, which all born again believers are!

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[Bill]

Bill, John the Baptist was never ever born again!! He was born filled with the Spirit, but never did he experience the new birth. Jesus said......

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

John preached about the coming of the Kingdom of God, but he was never in it, which all born again believers are!

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

I know this is in What if you die tonight

"Now as soon as Elizabeth heard Mary's greeting, the child leapt in her womb and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit "

You can not be filled with the Holy Spirit, unless all of you is filled. The child John was also filled . He was baptiszed in the Spirit in her womb.

What does it mean to be born again?

"The Real Jew is inwardly a Jew, and the real circumcision is the circumcision of the heart"

"Because the love of God has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit which has been given us"

 

[Bill]

Bill, John the Baptist was never ever born again!! He was born filled with the Spirit, but never did he experience the new birth. Jesus said......

Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

John preached about the coming of the Kingdom of God, but he was never in it, which all born again believers are!

Col 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

John was still alive when Jesus said the least in the Kingdom is greater.