What Kind of life did Jesus purchase for us ?

[Wired 4 Fishen]

He purchased us. We have our salvation. Salvation is reconciliation with God.

1 Cor 6:20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

As for our lives down here. We are to live ever mindful of His will. We don't ask 'what can God do for me'. We ask 'what can I do for God'.

Phil 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain.
Matt 10:39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

Whilst scripture is indeed full of promises. We do need to be careful that we don't become our own god or return to an OT type relationship with Him. I do X, you must do / I claim Y.

Greetings Brother KJ,
It is not about walking up to God and slapping Him on the back side and saying Get with it give me what I said. In all actuality Kj God does desire us to be to the place where he is beholding to His word. He desires us to not only know His word but to be living it in such a confident way that He can bless us with what He has promised us.

In all of Gods written word you will notice that we must do something in order for Him to move. Salvation is a free gift, correct, but we still had to ask and give Him permission to take over our life. Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 10:9-10

Jesus defeated death on the cross and His blood has washed away Past - Present - Future sins correct ,.....BUT we still have to ask for forgiveness. 1john1:9

It is all through His written word like this.........Draw unto God AND He will draw unto you
So when you speak like this is saying hey God give me this because i did that and you have to is simply twisitng the way it really is.
God is faithful unto His "for I am watching over my word to perform it.” Jeremiah 1:12

Well any way Brother, as you can see - it is not about making God do anything but simply listening to His word and obeying His word and ways, It pays to be obedient unto God !!
God Bless KJ
Jim

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

I am not suggesting you were not healed or that God does not heal. God can do anything. He is God.


Can you accept that faith for healing / healing is trivial / faith smaller then a mustard seed?


The only verses we need for healing is Matt 6:26 and John 9:31. To suggest bodily healing warrants being mentioned along side the other matters in those verses and the context of the chapter is ridiculous.


It is like me proposing to my wife...''Honey I love you so much, I have just paid your debt to the bank so you don't need to go to prison, you can be with me...will you marry me? ...hold that thought my toast popped''.

Hello again Brother KJ,
This is not at all 100 percent correct

First of all "Faith the size of a mustard seed" Is NOT saying a little bit of faith is all you need. You miss the entire point of the parable.
The seed is the smallest.........but it is put into the ground.........it is watered and nourished.........it grows roots and then sprouts up and grows into the bigest type of herb bush or tree or plant (which ever way you see it ) in which the birds and animals can take shelter.

Seed is the measure of faith that we are given -
ground is our Hearts -
watered and nourished is His written word building our faith ( faith cometh by hearing and hearing the word of God)
Then the seed which is our Faith begins to take root deeply in our hearts and begins to grow stronger and stronger
Then it matures and is a mighty force and our faith can shelter others and stand for others and so forth. It can move mountains....Mountains are the things in our life that hold us back or keeping us from victory or anything the enemy has placed in your life or path to trip you up.

I hope this helps you understand a little better KJ
God Bless
Jim

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

It is like me proposing to my wife...''Honey I love you so much, I have just paid your debt to the bank so you don't need to go to prison, you can be with me...will you marry me? ...hold that thought my toast popped''

So healing is like pop tarts.
You should let her know up front that if she is home writhing in pain your not going to give up bowling night.
Because healing is not worth mentioning.

 

[RJ]

BUT we still have to ask for forgiveness. 1john1:9

What do you do if you forget to ask or otherwise let it slip by?
What do you do if you are not aware that you sinned?
What then?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

What do you do if you forget to ask or otherwise let it slip by?
What do you do if you are not aware that you sinned?
What then?

You go fishing..............You do not have to name every sin if you are simply going for cleansing and forgiveness and here is the big and............If there is something that the Father wants to deal with or you need tochange etc....He Will Get Your Attantion and show you. You should be using 1john1:9 every night.

 

[RJ]

You go fishing..............You do not have to name every sin if you are simply going for cleansing and forgiveness and here is the big and............If there is something that the Father wants to deal with or you need tochange etc....He Will Get Your Attantion and show you. You should be using 1john1:9 every night.

Fair enough.
Asking for forgiveness and thanking him for what he has already done are two different things.
Do you know who 1 John 1:9 was written to?

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Fair enough.
Asking for forgiveness and thanking him for what he has already done are two different things.
Do you know who 1 John 1:9 was written to?

Every one!!

 

[RJ]

Every one!!

:laugh:...I asked who it was written to, not written for!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

:laugh:...I asked who it was written to, not written for!

John wrote this letter to believers who were dear to him.

 

[RJ]

ohn wrote this letter to believers who were dear to him.

Sorry, you better research a little better.
I t was written to a religious sect of that time that did not believe in Jesus, Gnostics. He was telling them how to become saved!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Sorry, you better research a little better.
I t was written to a religious sect of that time that did not believe in Jesus, Gnostics. He was telling them how to become saved!

So sorry for you sorry brother.............That is what it says in several bibles around here. If one goggles it and uses got questions and such then it kind of goes along with what you say.
Blessings

 

[RJ]

So sorry for you sorry brother.............That is what it says in several bibles around here. If one goggles it and uses got questions and such then it kind of goes along with what you say.
Blessings

Please show me where it says that....I have lot's of Bibles!

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Please show me where it says that....I have lot's of Bibles!

What are you talking about ? do you wish that I take pictures of mny bibles and post them ? Perhpas re-read what i said. I said that is what it says in all the bibles around here... that means on my desk and my table and so forth...:laugh:

 

[RJ]

What are you talking about ? do you wish that I take pictures of mny bibles and post them ? Perhpas re-read what i said. I said that is what it says in all the bibles around here... that means on my desk and my table and so forth...:laugh:

Correct me if I am wrong did you not say:

John wrote this letter to believers who were dear to him.

You say this is supported by all you Bibles. I am just asking you to please pick one and show us were it says this?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

I t was written to a religious sect of that time that did not believe in Jesus, Gnostics. He was telling them how to become saved!

In the message he calls the readers "dear friends" and "dear children" several times.
As always I give you the benefit side of any doubt my dear friend because I know of your diligence in rightly dividing the truth.
However,I'm not seeing it.I just read through twice and read commentaries.
I use parallel translations,cross checked with interlinear,lexicon and original language.
And I examine each word with Strong's and other sources.

Perhaps you could walk us through what you see.
Thanks.

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

I am not suggesting you were not healed or that God does not heal. God can do anything. He is God.

Can you accept that faith for healing / healing is trivial / faith smaller then a mustard seed?

The only verses we need for healing is Matt 6:26 and John 9:31. To suggest bodily healing warrants being mentioned along side the other matters in those verses and the context of the chapter is ridiculous.

I follow what you are saying here,you are separating the baby from the bath water.
But we should get the baby washed before we drain the bath water.

 

[RJ]

In the message he calls the readers "dear friends" and "dear children" several times.
As always I give you the benefit side of any doubt my dear friend because I know of your diligence in rightly dividing the truth.
However,I'm not seeing it.I just read through twice and read commentaries.
I use parallel translations,cross checked with interlinear,lexicon and original language.
And I examine each word with Strong's and other sources.

Perhaps you could walk us through what you see.
Thanks.

I can understand you skepticism.
Gnosticism was a well known biblical sect . Here in 1 Timothy 6:20, Paul warns Timothy of Gnostics: Timothy, guard what has been entrusted1 to your care. Turn away from godless chatter2 and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
They were also known as Gnostic Christians and created much division with the Pauline Christians; they considered themselves the only ones to have knowledge and refereed to themselves as "the knowledge". I am not sure, but possibly Gnostic wasn't a term used in those days, nor in the Bible, just what was refereed to as " knowledge".

When I was "Born Again", I soon became to believe:

• God when he said, "and I will look at there sin no more". With Christ in me, Yes, I would maintain a repentant heart as one of many first fruits, but why would I be held responsible to ask forgiveness for each and every sin?
• Before Jesus died, he hung his head and said: " it's finished"! I took that he meant he had secured forgiveness for all past, present and future sins. Especially when the Bible says he: " died once and for all"!

Here's 1 John 1:
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

• I don't see any commentaries mentioning Gnosticism, because, though the group (sect) is real, the word is not used. I already mentioned the use of "knowledge" Biblically.
  
• I am not Roman Catholic and do not believe that you have to continually go to a confessional. Jesus is our final priest and he sits at the right hand of the father and intercedes for us. Not having to remember each individual sin, but possessing a repentant heart is a sign that Jesus is working on my behalf!
• In 1 John 1:9, I see no indication that this is a repeatable requirement.

• I know this is not stated directly in scriptures,but I would think that if I got on my knees and asked God to forgive me, 2 things would happen:

1. My knees would ware out
2. God would ask, why are you coming to me for something I have already done! I mean this as no disrespect and have been on my knees many times!

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

• I know this is not stated directly in scriptures,but I would think that if I got on my knees and asked God to forgive me, 2 things would happen:

1. My knees would ware out
2. God would ask, why are you coming to me for something I have already done! I mean this as no disrespect and have been on my knees many times!

Yes,I understand,It took me many years before I understood it that way and it really made me waiver back and forth and caused a lot of sudden fear.
I'm glad you brought that up it's a major stumbling block and can lead to circular thinking.
Like Elijah running from Jezebel I would see God move mightily and tried too hard to maintain his law at the expense of mercy and grace.Then dread fear would come in

Love keeps no record of wrong and he has cast our sins away as far as the east is from the west.
He sees his one and only son when he looks at any one of us.
We may not get answers because maybe he has to send angels to find this sin we keep talking about and in time and space that takes time to cover that kind of space.
I consider that gnat strained,thanks

I thought maybe you were talking about 2 John because I can see the error mentioned there.

 

[RJ]

He sees his one and only son when he looks at any one of us.

Love it!
In 1 Cor 13, where it talks about the imperfection going away , the perfection comes and we see face to face and will know him as well as he knows us. I think it is as simple as this, like you said, he takes one look at us, sees his son and says "welcome my good and faithful servant"! Of course he knows all this before the foundation of the universe.

 

[Wired 4 Fishen]

Correct me if I am wrong did you not say:

You say this is supported by all you Bibles. I am just asking you to please pick one and show us were it says this?

Good Grief RJ..............
You asked me who John was talking to. I replied with what it says in the comentary above the first passage.
What do you want