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SignUp Now!Many are called, but few are chosen, that is the conclusion. Again, go back to the parable of the sower, many squares of soil received the seed, but only in the fertile ones can the seed take root, sprout up and bear fruit.Since the warning is given to saved believers, as His servants that get cut off to be with unbelievers, and on top of that, get stripes per the measure they had for not being ready, I would rethink that.
Since we all prophesy in part and know in part, then we will know the truth one day when we see Him face to face.There's only one second coming event, per Jesus's own word there will be a loud trumpet (Matt. 24:31), which is confirmed by Paul in his teaching, and the timing is clear - right after the great tribulation. Whatever your definition is for rapture, the mass resurrection certainly precedes that, and notice that this mass resurrection is NOT described in Rev. 20:1-5, because by then the saints are ALREADY reigning with Christ, the timing for the mass resurrection or the first resurrection is in Rev. 19:11-21 about Christ's glorious return. This is very important, because in between is the judgement of nations, aka judgement of sheep and goats. Matt. 24:29-31, Acts 1:9-11 and 1 Thess. 4:16-17 are all describing the same event, you think they are different because you've taken a reductionist approach instead of letting the Bible interpret itself.
The scriptural references are for believers below.If by the warning you are talking about the great day of the Lord that is for everyone not just believers
Those three measures of meal as a whole are a corrupt church that tolerates evil, which is the leaven. There won’t be any leaven of evil in the kingdom of heaven.Since we all prophesy in part and know in part, then we will know the truth one day when we see Him face to face.
Here below is one reason I believe in the rapture event as before the great tribulation.
Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
For some reasons many do not believe in the pre great tribulation rapture as it is hidden from them, but I point out that the 3 measures of meals that make up the whole of the kingdom of heaven are the 3 harvests;
1st being Christ the firstfruits at the rapture event
2nd being they that be Christ's at His coming
3rd being those who remain loyal to Christ after Satan is released from being in the pit for a thousand years to stage a last rebellion for a small season.
Those are the 3 measures of meal that makes up the whole of the kingdom of heaven after the Great White Throne Judgment before Christ gives the completed kingdom of heaven back to the Father.
1 Corinthians 15:2 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
As it is, most argue against the rapture as if believers will be disappointed that there is none before the great tribulation that they will have to go through the great tribulation as if that will cause many to fall away from the faith or something, but in actuality, the call to be ready all the time for the Bridegroom is now so they can be found abiding in Him and not living in sin as well as having their hearts on the treasure above and not on earth or for this life so they can escape the great tribulation. Between the two dangers, better to be ready and abiding in Him with His help now and be willing to go now than think... it is not the great tribulation yet and so procrastinate against living a life of repentance.
It stands to reason to be ready for the rapture at any moment since death can strike us at any moment and so, no saved believer should be putting off living their reconciled relationship with God thru the Lord Jesus Christ tomorrow.
Actually the first day was about the creation of the first day being 24 hours, evening and morning that first day.In Gen 1:9-10 the water just receded, before that it was all water (Gen. 1:2), then the land beneath emerged, there was nothing remotely related to a "division".
Pay close attention to the scripture because the Word of God is NOT the Spirit but the Word of God is the SWORD of the Spirit. How else can the Holy Spirit convict except by the Word of God being that sword Whom is Jesus Christ the Lord?The word of God IS the Spirit! (Eph. 6:17, Heb. 4:12) What I was saying is Sola Scriptura, in Scripture alone, which is one of the five Solas. This is also known as exegesis. If you think you are smart and go interpret it by yourself, then that's just your own opinion. Isn't it written that we should not lean on our own understanding?
You should read that again because the leaven that makes the whole of the kingdom of heaven is not the leaven of the Pharisees but what makes the kingdom of heaven rise as a whole which is by the three measures of meal.Those three measures of meal as a whole are a corrupt church that tolerates evil, which is the leaven. There won’t be any leaven of evil in the kingdom of heaven.
Christ is in heaven at the right hand of God, he empowered us with the Holy Spirit, which is the only weapon in addition to the armor of God. In Acts 2:37 and 7:54, the audience were “cut to the heart”, that was the effect.How else can the Holy Spirit convict except by the Word of God being that sword Whom is Jesus Christ the Lord?
No, you should. This leaven is the one and the same. In Jewish tradition, leaven is universally regarded as evil, every year before Passover they spent a whole day clearing out all the dirt and mold that were considered as leaven, it has even evolved into an American tradition known as Spring cleaning. This parable was taught in a negative sense, not a positive one. It is undeniable that there were a lot of negativities in those seven parables in Matt. 13, even though they were all supposed to be about the kingdom of heaven.You should read that again because the leaven that makes the whole of the kingdom of heaven is not the leaven of the Pharisees but what makes the kingdom of heaven rise as a whole which is by the three measures of meal.
Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
No man can come to the Son unless the Father draws him per John 6:44 as it is the Father that reveals the Son to us so we can believe in Him & be saved Matthew 11:25-27Christ is in heaven at the right hand of God, he empowered us with the Holy Spirit, which is the only weapon in addition to the armor of God. In Acts 2:37 and 7:54, the audience were “cut to the heart”, that was the effect.
Leaven cannot be the same here when the kingdom of heaven is "like" unto leaven for how by that three measures of meal, the whole kingdom of heaven was to be leavened.No, you should. This leaven is the one and the same. In Jewish tradition, leaven is universally regarded as evil, every year before Passover they spent a whole day clearing out all the dirt and mold that were considered as leaven, it has even evolved into an American tradition known as Spring cleaning. This parable was taught in a negative sense, not a positive one. It is undeniable that there were a lot of negativities in those seven parables in Matt. 13, even though they were all supposed to be about the kingdom of heaven.
“Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, on the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses, for whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.” - Ex. 12:15Leaven cannot be the same here when the kingdom of heaven is "like" unto leaven for how by that three measures of meal, the whole kingdom of heaven was to be leavened.
Matthew 13:33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.
It is the shortest parable given by the Lord regarding what the kingdom of heaven shall be like. He is not telling us the state of the kingdom of heaven now, or back then, but what it shall be in how it is coming about.
There is real leaven that leavens bread. It is for the 7 days of unleavened bread is why they were to remove leaven from their houses by not eating any leavened bread during that time. This is to be done every time they partake of the Passover and the 7 days of unleavened bread which means after that time and before the day of the Passover and the 7 days of the unleavened bread, they were allowed to have leaven in their houses to have leavened bread, but not during Passover or the 7 days of unleavened bread that follows the Passover. That is why there is that command to remove the leaven from their houses during that time so no one mistakenly eat the leavened bread when they are not supposed to during the Passover & those 7 days following.“Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, on the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses, for whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.” - Ex. 12:15
You’re straight up ignoring all the biblical and cultural references on this one.
Who said that must be "in the end"? In the second parable, Satan was sowing seeds of deceit in the field, is he supposed to be allowed to do that in heaven? Obviously not, because the setting is in the WORLD, not heaven. The end is in the last parable where the angels will separate the wicked from the just (Matt. 13:49), same as what the Master WILL do to the wheat and tares, which Apostle John actually saw as the angels reap the earth, that's the final harvest. However, none of that is mentioned in the parable of leaven because it's NOT there yet. In fact, all seven parables are talking about the church in the WORLD, and God will only harvest His people, none of that leaven of the Pharisee is acceptable. This is a warning, not a harvest.Are you comparing that leaven to the leaven of the Pharisees thus inferring that in the end, the kingdom of heaven shall be of the Pharisees? So no. That cannot be right.
That is neither lined up with the Scripture or any geological evidence. At the beginning God created heaven AND EARTH, there's no "new earth". Gen. 1:9 clearly says that the dry land APPEARS, that indicates it was ALREADY there. God never said "let there be dry land", and there was no water from above or anywhere else. God never gathered or divided the landmass by any means, instead He gathered all that water into oceans and the seas - which are connected if you look at a map, and that's it.Actually the first day was about the creation of the first day being 24 hours, evening and morning that first day.
Although all that there was, was water, it was the second day that the portion of that water was how the water planet was formed, with an upper atmosphere, the beginning of the creation of earth.
Then the third day dry land appeared by His word, not that the water receded, and all the waters was in one place on that new planet earth that was fully formed that third day.
It was the fourth day when God created the heavens by that same water.
In another word, Genesis 1:2, water was not confined to the location of earth.
The Solar System and Beyond is Awash in Water
Seeing that this is how the kingdom of heaven will come about.Who said that must be "in the end"?
The second parable has nothing to do with the first parable in how the kingdom of heaven shall come about in the end.In the second parable, Satan was sowing seeds of deceit in the field, is he supposed to be allowed to do that in heaven? Obviously not, because the setting is in the WORLD, not heaven. The end is in the last parable where the angels will separate the wicked from the just (Matt. 13:49), same as what the Master WILL do to the wheat and tares, which Apostle John actually saw as the angels reap the earth, that's the final harvest. However, none of that is mentioned in the parable of leaven because it's NOT there yet. In fact, all seven parables are talking about the church in the WORLD, and God will only harvest His people, none of that leaven of the Pharisee is acceptable. This is a warning, not a harvest.
If you consider how a paragraph is set up, leading off with a topic sentence and then following with sentences to that effect, then you would know that Genesis 1:1 is the topic and the following verses is how that first verse came about. The first generalized creation account ended in Genesis 2:3 and not at the end of chapter one.That is neither lined up with the Scripture or any geological evidence. At the beginning God created heaven AND EARTH, there's no "new earth". Gen. 1:9 clearly says that the dry land APPEARS, that indicates it was ALREADY there. God never said "let there be dry land", and there was no water from above or anywhere else. God never gathered or divided the landmass by any means, instead He gathered all that water into oceans and the seas - which are connected if you look at a map, and that's it.
I disagree with your assessment and I had explained why since the waters of many nations and tongues is leading into the fall of Babylon ( USA ) in the next chapter; hence that waters is Babylon USA as in "we the people".Actually this has a prophetic significance, I told you before that earth symbolizes Israel and water the gentiles, so God had planned it out at the beginning that Israel will become His chosen people out of all the nations of the earth.
In every parable Jesus had ever told that starts with "the kingdom of heaven is like ..." or "the kingdom of God is like ...", there were always different groups of people represented by different characters, His focus was always on the church, His people, and the behaviors and attitudes of His people. There's not a single parable in which he only talked about what this kingdom is gonna look like with no particular character involved. Why should this one be any different? You think the other parables in Matt. 13 have nothing to do with this one only because you're ignoring the connection. These seven parables in Matt. 13 were a slow progression from the Sower to the Dragnet, they are not isolated from one other.Seeing that this is how the kingdom of heaven will come about.
I've heard of this "second creation account" heresy, they argue that since animals and birds were created after Adam instead of before, then this must be a different one. They have overlooked an important fact that the Garden of Eden and the whole planet earth weer DIFFERENT. Gen 2 and 3 were set in Eden, which was a tiny speck, according to some Jewish tradition that was the intersection of heaven and earth. Adam was brought in to meet and name all the animals, and finally meet his wife, Eve. Yes, I agree that it was a more detailed account of Day 6, but that's not a parallel creation account. God just formed animals and birds from the ground without mentioning "each according to its kind" because that was already done, God was presenting existing kinds of animal - which He had ALREADY created - to Adam, He was not creating any additional kinds.If you consider how a paragraph is set up, leading off with a topic sentence and then following with sentences to that effect, then you would know that Genesis 1:1 is the topic and the following verses is how that first verse came about. The first generalized creation account ended in Genesis 2:3 and not at the end of chapter one.
The second creation account began on Genesis 2:4 regarding a more detailed description on what had happened the sixth day regarding the generations of man since Genesis 2:5 testified that there was no man yet to till the ground.
Just explaining why scripture was not originally divided by numbered chapters and verses and so one should use discernment on the matter as well as how Genesis 2:3 is stating the conclusion of how the heavens and the earth was made.
I disagree with your assessment and I had explained why since the waters of many nations and tongues is leading into the fall of Babylon ( USA ) in the next chapter; hence that waters is Babylon USA as in "we the people".
Then where are the different groups of people in this verse below in respect to the leaven as you see it when the kingdom of heaven is that leaven and winds up "till" the whole was leavened?In every parable Jesus had ever told that starts with "the kingdom of heaven is like ..." or "the kingdom of God is like ...", there were always different groups of people represented by different characters, His focus was always on the church, His people, and the behaviors and attitudes of His people. There's not a single parable in which he only talked about what this kingdom is gonna look like with no particular character involved. Why should this one be any different? You think the other parables in Matt. 13 have nothing to do with this one only because you're ignoring the connection. These seven parables in Matt. 13 were a slow progression from the Sower to the Dragnet, they are not isolated from one other.
