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Where are the True Prophets of Jesus Christ?

Coconut

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Where have all the Prophets gone?



Pick a prophet... any prophet? Lately we in the churches are playing this dangerous game. Nobody seems to be sure who is a "real" prophet and who just got lucky a few times and hit the nail on the head.

Why are we lacking discernment when it comes to knowing who is a prophet and who isn't? It might have something to do with people not understanding what Bible prophecy actually is ... and isn't.

Let's examine the general set-up in a typical church in America.

Pastors are locked into routines that creates a kind of domino effect. Complacency and fear on the part of the pastors who feel responsible for maintaining control tends to keep the door shut to true prophets of God coming into the churches. Instead of all the parts of the Body of Christ working together, the heaviest burden still remains on the pastors. Ironically, the balance is forsaken for the sake of keeping "order" in the church, which often means excluding those "high-risk" prophets.

On the other hand, everybody likes the evangelists to come in every so often, as these are frequently the most showy of all ministers. They can get folks stirred up enough, but not TOO much. The church leaders want these evangelists to preach a Gospel that persuades unbelievers to believe. So they "gift-wrap" their message so the ungodly will take notice. That "glitter wrapping" can take the form of loud and obnoxious showmanship.

Prophets generally don't come in gift-wrapped, unless they've devised some kind of "Schick", like singing and dancing and rhythmically rhyming people into a kind of spiritual euphoria.

Prophets might exhibit outrageous mannerisms, dress in contemporary fashions, such as wearing black garments and a long hairstyles. But again, people are looking at that glamorous personality, and the Word of God then becomes much diluted. A compromise has to be made in order to be able to deliver a potent message. It's the tactic: "a spoonful of sugar helps the mediocre goes down".

However, you cannot hope the real ones will stay away forever. Ignore them, but they still keep coming ... yep, the prophets are here now! And they DON'T look like the aforementioned!

The reason the prophets are not visible in the church is because there is no room made for them. Everybody wants the pastors and teachers and evangelists, but they sure don't want the prophets - and even less - the apostles - to appear on the scene.

Because when a prophet or apostle arrives, it heralds all is not well. A chiasmic unmet need being avoided is about to be addressed. The prophet announces exactly what they may not want to hear. And an apostle is going to build them a new church. Nobody wants to hear those "hellfire and brimstone" messages! And there is invariably going to be a battle when a genuine prophet or apostle comes into town.

Jesus Himself made relatively infrequent appearances inside the temple. That's because He was certainly not welcome there! The religious leaders of Jesus' day were trespassing in the temple and ruling it. Jesus would only upset their agenda. It is beautifully symbolic that Jesus OVERTURNS the religious peddlers' carts when He enters the temple.

In conclusion, as long as a church adheres to its ceremonious rituals and practices, there won't much hope of a real prophet squeezing in, unless he (or she) literally bursts through the door and overturns the book and tape tables, and the flower pots all over the altar, and the velvet upholstered pews. In this day and age, that is almost laughable! Just imagine someone doing that -- and about a hundred squad cars would be summoned immediately with lights and sirens, and that one little "agitator" would be cuffed and hauled away by six burly uniformed officers!

I mean, sometimes it has even occurred to me that some of these "faith" churches have these security-guard deacons and ushers stationed strategically placed around the doors for the reason of keeping out just that very type of person. These guys are more like bouncers, eyeballing everybody that comes in the church door. Lord have mercy on anyone who exhibits "disruptive" behavior!

The church sentinels are so busy filtering out what they anticipate as bad, they won't be able to receive that which is good -- that which is truly from God that would make all the difference between "church as usual" and a genuine move of the Holy Spirit.

Therefore, in an effort to keep everything in a decent and orderly manner, they've got their pre-planned prophecies, where someone is assigned the role of speaking out in a prophetic manner. That again, is almost laughable! Or, how about when somebody is selected prior to the service to be the designated tongue-talker? Then the pastor himself may give the interpretation, or the pre-selected "interpreter".

It's all orchestrated prior to service. It's all part of the show, to keep the congregants amused and to keep them believing this is "real church". And, that, they believe, will keep the coffers filled. People aren't going to pay for something that doesn't give them their spiritual "lift"!

Lord, we can only keep praying for a loosing of the true prophets of God in Your church, and for true apostles to go where they are sent by You to go and build new churches.

Right now the commercial prophets are going out to all parts of the globe, yet some of these people are not equipped for the work because they were neither truly called by You, nor were they adequately trained and discipled before they set out. They assume You, God, will be there when they get there. This is like toes trying to be fingers.

Compounded by the sanction of church committees who hand these well-meaning ministers their passports to foreign lands, these prophet-merchandisers are ill-prepared to face the reality of what they will meet when they reach their destinations. WHY?? BECAUSE THERE IS A STARVATION FOR GENUINE BIBLICAL PROPHECY TO BE DELIVERED IN THE CHURCH TODAY!!!

Jesus stormed into the temple, and we pray You, Holy Spirit, thunder into the midst of church services today just like Jesus did when He took whips and beat the money changers and drove them out! Hallelujah! Holy Spirit, we call upon You praying You will forcefully drive the religious spirits out of the churches! Glory to God! Holy Spirit, let the prophets of God come in and say what MUST be said. No more "hat-and-cane" Christianity, no more toxic faith, no more pomp-and-circumstance religious fairs.

Holy Spirit, PLEASE come!

We have been praying that You will be welcomed. But it's clear to see that they WON'T welcome You. So, we invite You... PLEASE TAKE OVER, Holy Spirit! May God's prophets now come in! No more showboating, no more grandstanding, no more back slapping or "Jesus pep-rallies". No more church as usual. No more politics. No more religious theater. Praise the Lord! Glory belongs to the Lord alone!

Ministers of the Gospel, take heed.


http://ezraministries.tripod.com/id20.html
 
Good post Coconut.
Because when a prophet or apostle arrives, it heralds all is not well. A chiasmic unmet need being avoided is about to be addressed. The prophet announces exactly what they may not want to hear. And an apostle is going to build them a new church. Nobody wants to hear those "hellfire and brimstone" messages! And there is invariably going to be a battle when a genuine prophet or apostle comes into town.

The prophetic function is brought into operation at a time when things are not well with the people and work of God, when declension has set in; when things have lost their distinctive Divine character; when there is a falling short or an accretion of features which were never intended by God. The Prophet in principle is one who represents, in himself and his vision, God's reaction to either a dangerous tendency or a positive deviation. He stands on God's full ground and the trend breaks on him. That which constitutes this prophetic function is spiritual perception, discernment, and insight. The Prophet sees, and he sees what others are not seeing. It is vision, and this vision is not just of an enterprise, a ''work,'' a venture; it is a state, a condition. It is not for the work as such that he is concerned, but for the spiritual state that dishonors and grieves the Lord. Austin Sparks

The Lord needs that which really does represent His fullest possible thought, and not those who are just doing a good work. But it costs; and this is the ''burden of the valley of vision.'' Austin Sparks
 
Where have all the prophets gone?

I think that people need to understand the difference between the Gift of Prophesy and the Office of Prophet. God gives the Gift of Prophesy to people in the churches usually to address situations in their individual churches.
The Office of Prophet, on the other hand, is a permanent anointing God puts on certain individuals to proclaim His Word to all churches.
God uses people in individual churches to speak prophetically in matters affecting that congregation and certain individuals may be used often in such a way. But that doesn't mean that they have been anointed to the office of Prophet.
SLE
 
Prophets and Apostles Today?

Amen to SpiritLedEd's reply!

A 'true' prophet of God brought 'new'
revelation from God's mouth so to
speak, to the lips of 'clay' of 'His' chosen
vessel, the 'prophet'. Jer.1:4.

We may prophesy but the 'office' and function
of a 'true' prophet of the O.T and N.T. bringing
'new' revelation to the body of Christ is not
needed, we have the 'revealed' revelation of
God's Word and 'nothing' needs to be added
or taken away!! 2Tim.3:16.

Deut. 12:32: What thing soever I command
you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add
thereto, nor diminish from it.

Rev. 22:19: And if any man shall take away
from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book
of life, and out of the holy city, and from the
things which are written in this book.

The Mormon church boasts of receiving 'new'
revelations from God as does the Jehovah
Witness cult!

When people today say we have or need
'prophets', they are really saying we need
Spirit-filled leaders who can 'inspire' the
church with a vision for it's God given
mission.

Or challenge the body of Christ to a much
deeper commitment to Christ.

Prophets as well apostles are no longer I
believe, needed or called.

There are 'no' Christian leaders whose
authority cannot be questioned, or through
whom new doctrinal revelations are brought
into the church, or whose teachings 'must'
be accepted by 'all' Christians!!

The Apostles of Christ in the N.T. were persons
to whom [or is it who? ] appeared 'after'
'His' resurrection and who were 'commissioned'
by the 'Master' to be His personal spokesmen!
Acts1:21-26;5:32;1Cor. 9:1 ;15:8.

If you notice in Ephesians 2:20;3:5 the 'two'
offices of 'apostles and prophets' had what is
called 'foundational' offices through which
Jesus Christ established the church the newly
constituted 'people' of the 'Living' God, both
Jew and Gentile making up the body of Christ.

There are and misguided men and women
who may be sincere but I feel are 'sincerely'
wrong!

These people who call themselves apostles and
prophets have taken upon themselves authority
over other people which has 'not' been given to
them by God!!!


1Peter 4:11: If any man speak, let him speak
as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let
him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through
Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion
for ever and ever. Amen.


God Bless,

Your brother in Christ,

Joe
 
We may prophesy but the 'office' and function
of a 'true' prophet of the O.T and N.T. bringing
'new' revelation to the body of Christ is not
needed, we have the 'revealed' revelation of
God's Word and 'nothing' needs to be added
or taken away!! 2Tim.3:16.

Prophets as well apostles are no longer I
believe, needed or called.

Set free do have any scripture to support your opinion that the ministry gifts of prophets and apostles are removed from the body of Christ and no longer functioning today?
 
SpiritLedEd said:
I think that people need to understand the difference between the Gift of Prophesy and the Office of Prophet. God gives the Gift of Prophesy to people in the churches usually to address situations in their individual churches.
The Office of Prophet, on the other hand, is a permanent anointing God puts on certain individuals to proclaim His Word to all churches.
God uses people in individual churches to speak prophetically in matters affecting that congregation and certain individuals may be used often in such a way. But that doesn't mean that they have been anointed to the office of Prophet.
SLE

Amen SpiritLedEd, They are two different gifts. The gift of prophecy( 1of 9 spiritual gifts) is a gift of the HolySpirit and the gift of prophet ( 1 of 5 ministry gifts) is a ministry gift given by Jesus.

Ephesians 4:9-13
9*Notice that it says “he ascended.” This means that Christ first came down to the lowly world in which we live.* 10*The same one who came down is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that his rule might fill the entire universe.
11*He is the one who gave these gifts to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers. 12*Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ, 13*until we come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature and full grown in the Lord, measuring up to the full stature of Christ.
 
To be a prophet prior to and during Christ's ministry on earth was not a popular calling. "O Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee............Mtt23:37

A prophet ceases to be a prophet when he ceases to be stoned!! Could that be true today?

There is another verse in the scripture which I cannot find just now, but it says "God does nothing without first revealing it to his servant the prophet"

We could soon manufacture a 'leathern girdle' (leather belt?) which was worn by prophets, but the 'calling', we know is not of men.

There will be prophets within the church today, but I cannot bring one to mind.
 
Set Free! said:
Amen to SpiritLedEd's reply!

A 'true' prophet of God brought 'new'
revelation from God's mouth so to
speak, to the lips of 'clay' of 'His' chosen
vessel, the 'prophet'. Jer.1:4.

We may prophesy but the 'office' and function
of a 'true' prophet of the O.T and N.T. bringing
'new' revelation to the body of Christ is not
needed, we have the 'revealed' revelation of
God's Word and 'nothing' needs to be added
or taken away!! 2Tim.3:16.

Deut. 12:32: What thing soever I command
you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add
thereto, nor diminish from it.

Rev. 22:19: And if any man shall take away
from the words of the book of this prophecy,
God shall take away his part out of the book
of life, and out of the holy city, and from the
things which are written in this book.

The Mormon church boasts of receiving 'new'
revelations from God as does the Jehovah
Witness cult!

When people today say we have or need
'prophets', they are really saying we need
Spirit-filled leaders who can 'inspire' the
church with a vision for it's God given
mission.

Or challenge the body of Christ to a much
deeper commitment to Christ.

Prophets as well apostles are no longer I
believe, needed or called.

There are 'no' Christian leaders whose
authority cannot be questioned, or through
whom new doctrinal revelations are brought
into the church, or whose teachings 'must'
be accepted by 'all' Christians!!

The Apostles of Christ in the N.T. were persons
to whom [or is it who? ] appeared 'after'
'His' resurrection and who were 'commissioned'
by the 'Master' to be His personal spokesmen!
Acts1:21-26;5:32;1Cor. 9:1 ;15:8.

If you notice in Ephesians 2:20;3:5 the 'two'
offices of 'apostles and prophets' had what is
called 'foundational' offices through which
Jesus Christ established the church the newly
constituted 'people' of the 'Living' God, both
Jew and Gentile making up the body of Christ.

There are and misguided men and women
who may be sincere but I feel are 'sincerely'
wrong!

These people who call themselves apostles and
prophets have taken upon themselves authority
over other people which has 'not' been given to
them by God!!!


1Peter 4:11: If any man speak, let him speak
as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let
him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through
Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion
for ever and ever. Amen.


God Bless,

Your brother in Christ,

Joe
I believe that God has anointed prophets for the 21st century church, though these prophets are not in the mode of the Old Testament. Clearly, John the Baptist was the last of the OT prophets.

There may not be "new" revelation from God, but there are new generations of believers coming along to whom all of His revelation is new. Also, many of us who have been in the faith for awhile are fast forgetters. We need to have God's prophetic Word repeated to us regularly Therefore, we still need prophets in the church.


SLE
 
A prophet ceases to be a prophet when he ceases to be stoned!!

I agree with your post except for the above...

Wow, did you make that up just now? Thats a new one to me.
 
Coconut said:
I agree with your post except for the above...
Wow, did you make that up just now? Thats a new one to me.


It was Jesus who said to the people of Jerusalem " Thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee"

"A prophet ceases to be a prophet when he ceases to be stoned" This is my own paraphrase of the words of Jesus, spoken on this occasion. Seems to me the hallmark of a prophet in Jesus day was a likely stoning.
 
jiggyfly said:
One question Stephen, was Jesus ever stoned?

Jn 10:31-32 "the Jews took up stones to stone him...........for which of these works do ye stone me".
 
stephen said:
Jn 10:31-32 "the Jews took up stones to stone him...........for which of these works do ye stone me".

Read on further...

39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp


Jiggy.... Jesus was NOT stoned
 
Yahwehdove said:
Read on further...
39 Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp
Jiggy.... Jesus was NOT stoned

The words of Jesus "for which of these works do you stone me" Indicate the threat of stoning. He was not stoned.

There is another occasion where Jesus "passed through them" avoiding the threat.

To be a "prophet" of God and in keeping with the bible pattern, would take enormous courage. Bible prophets were not popular men. Not loved by all. Feared by many. And why? ............... Jesus said "I am alone........yet not alone the Father is with me".
 
stephen said:
It was Jesus who said to the people of Jerusalem " Thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee"
"A prophet ceases to be a prophet when he ceases to be stoned" This is my own paraphrase of the words of Jesus, spoken on this occasion. Seems to me the hallmark of a prophet in Jesus day was a likely stoning.

It was also the punishment of adulterer and rebellious children. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and 22:22
 
jiggyfly said:
It was also the punishment of adulterer and rebellious children. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 and 22:22
Absolutely true dear brother. The adulterer/es was stoned by the self righteous, religeous, pharasaic etc. probably such felt righteous by their accumulative action upon the isolated victim. "Let him that is without sin......"
The prophet was stoned because his words were offensive, abbrasive, humiliating to the proud spirit of self-righteous man. Albeit the prophet uttered a word from the Almighty. Cutting through the veneer of outward show. Resulting is his being ostracised, set apart, different.

I am aware that you know all of this my brother. Just air my thoughts as we chat along.

I cannot suggest any prophets in this vein today. Today we hear prophecy. But then..............nothing. No reaction.....??

God Bless You
 
stephen said:
It was Jesus who said to the people of Jerusalem " Thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee"
"A prophet ceases to be a prophet when he ceases to be stoned" This is my own paraphrase of the words of Jesus, spoken on this occasion. Seems to me the hallmark of a prophet in Jesus day was a likely stoning.


A likely stoning yes....but ceases to be one when he ceases to be stoned?

"...them that are sent unto thee" is not saying you`ve killed every one of them that are sent unto thee...and certainly not saying "A prophet ceases to be a prophet when he ceases to be stoned"
 
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jiggyfly said:
The thread link below seemed to go along with the topic of this thread .
http://www.talkjesus.com/showthread.php?t=2298
Dear jiggyfly,
I have read through the link you supplied. Very challenging indeed. The only one profitable thing that I can do is to pray. As you and I look around our nations today, and our churches, we could despair. No need to make a list. We cry where is our God.

However we take heart from the bible precedent, that prayer can bring a nation back to God. Elijah was alone, but he was in touch with the Almighty. After the realisation of the futility of baal, and a demonstration of the reality of God, the people cried out, "the Lord He is God"

I have just returned from my Friday evening prayer hour with my Pastor and a couple more. The scripture encourages us to pray. Jesus exampled it. We pray on.


In His Love
 
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