Where is America in Bible prophecy?? 2-2-23

[MedicBravo]

 

[Waggles]

Check out references to Manassah (brother to Ephraim)

 

[Hekuran]

He didnt consider the terrifying possibility that America is not in prophecy because neither the Bible authors nor readers were interested in America.

For balance, that would mean that India, Brazil, Japan, Namibia, Belgium, Tuvalu and Korea are also not included in Biblical prophecy.

These places were not of relevance to OT Jews in exile or Jerusalem, nor to the first Christians in Asia minor.

 

[Twistie]

He didnt consider the terrifying possibility that America is not in prophecy because neither the Bible authors nor readers were interested in America.

For balance, that would mean that India, Brazil, Japan, Namibia, Belgium, Tuvalu and Korea are also not included in Biblical prophecy.

These places were not of relevance to OT Jews in exile or Jerusalem, nor to the first Christians in Asia minor.

People see n hear with the eyes n ears of the flesh they r blind to the spiritual aspect sad fact is many do not Hear the Word

Twistie

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

He didnt consider the terrifying possibility that America is not in prophecy because neither the Bible authors nor readers were interested in America.

For balance, that would mean that India, Brazil, Japan, Namibia, Belgium, Tuvalu and Korea are also not included in Biblical prophecy.

These places were not of relevance to OT Jews in exile or Jerusalem, nor to the first Christians in Asia minor.

America definitely has a place in bible prophecy. The earth beast in Rev. 13 is given tremendous power, he can breathe life into "image of the beast", he can call fire from heaven, he can enforce a financial system through the mark, such evil technologies come from nowhere else but America.

 

[MedicBravo]

He didnt consider the terrifying possibility that America is not in prophecy because neither the Bible authors nor readers were interested in America.

For balance, that would mean that India, Brazil, Japan, Namibia, Belgium, Tuvalu and Korea are also not included in Biblical prophecy.

These places were not of relevance to OT Jews in exile or Jerusalem, nor to the first Christians in Asia minor.

Of course they wouldn't name many countries but Dr. Barnett lives here so it makes sense that this video focusing on us and why any future country most likely will not exist or will be as explained in this.
It doesn't name Russia but Russia IS one prominent country in prophecy just not as we know it.

 

[MedicBravo]

America definitely has a place in bible prophecy. The earth beast in Rev. 13 is given tremendous power, he can breathe life into "image of the beast", he can call fire from heaven, he can enforce a financial system through the mark, such evil technologies come from nowhere else but America.

I hope I and many are not here when that happens.
Also "Men's (and women's) hearts will fail them." given seeing things happen on such a scale and that the human mind cannot understand.

 

[Hekuran]

People see n hear with the eyes n ears of the flesh they r blind to the spiritual aspect sad fact is many do not Hear the Word

Twistie

Not sure if you are counting me as one of the spiritually blind here, or if you agree with me.

 

[Twistie]

Not sure if you are counting me as one of the spiritually blind here, or if you agree with me.

I know not if u do or u don't it's just a fact I haven't read much of what u say u see n also I barely know how to follow a thread but I'm learning lol

It's just a fact tho many are spiritually blind n deaf n that's why many cause chaos with the Word they don't take counsel from Him

Twistie

 

[Oseas]

America definitely has a place in bible prophecy. The earth beast in Rev. 13 is given tremendous power, he can breathe life into "image of the beast", he can call fire from heaven, he can enforce a financial system through the mark, such evil technologies come from nowhere else but America.

I see you refer to the Beast of the earth-Revelation 13:v.11: - And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Scripture is revealing about a MAN like a lamb and he speaks as a dragon, so Scripture refers to a false lamb, by the way, JESUS is the true lamb, the true Messiah. That said, the MAN Beast of the earth is a false messiah, a powerful false messiah, he speaks as a dragon, and even Scripture reveals in Revelation 12 he is a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Also Scripture says this false messiah has two horns, in my understanding Scripture is revealing the origin of this false messiah, for two horns mean kingdoms and powers. The only nation that had two separate kingdoms simultaneously was/is Israel after the death of Solomon. JESUS prophesied about the manifestation of a false messiah: John 5:43-47. Detail: This false messiah did not manifest himself yet because Israel was invaded and destroyed in 70AD and stayed banned from the land until 1948. So in my understanding or vision the false messiah must manifest himself in this current decade - 2020-2030 - according Revelation 13:11-18. That said, there will be two religious and devilish Beasts from now on and the devilish and religious Antichrist's Empire will be established in this current time. Let us be ready because these evil and demonic events are imminent .

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I see you refer to the Beast of the earth-Revelation 13:v.11: - And I beheld another Beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Scripture is revealing about a MAN like a lamb and he speaks as a dragon, so Scripture refers to a false lamb, by the way, JESUS is the true lamb, the true Messiah. That said, the MAN Beast of the earth is a false messiah, a powerful false messiah, he speaks as a dragon, and even Scripture reveals in Revelation 12 he is a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. Also Scripture says this false messiah has two horns, in my understanding Scripture is revealing the origin of this false messiah, for two horns mean kingdoms and powers. The only nation that had two separate kingdoms simultaneously was/is Israel after the death of Solomon. JESUS prophesied about the manifestation of a false messiah: John 5:43-47. Detail: This false messiah did not manifest himself yet because Israel was invaded and destroyed in 70AD and stayed banned from the land until 1948. So in my understanding or vision the false messiah must manifest himself in this current decade - 2020-2030 - according Revelation 13:11-18. That said, there will be two religious and devilish Beasts from now on and the devilish and religious Antichrist's Empire will be established in this current time. Let us be ready because these evil and demonic events are imminent .

First of all, a beast in the bible is always referring to a empire, more specifically, a global superpower at the time, so it's not just a man. Of course, there could be a supreme leader of that empire, but there must be an empire for him to lead, and in the end it's gonna be a revived Roman Empire. In Rev. 17, the Beast is revealed as Mystery Babylon riding a seven-headed scarlet Beast, then the angel explained that this is the 8th, which is also OF THE SEVEN (heads of the Beast, symbolizing seven kings). So here's the twist - indeed, the lamb beast is the false messiah, but that is also the final form of the Beast - who received a deadly wound on the head, then healed. It will appear as the messiah, savior of the world, but actually it's the SAME Beast with a woman on it, that's why it's "of the seven", and that woman, Mystery Babylon, is the global false religious system that mind controls the global population, symbolized as "many waters."

 

[Twistie]

The interNet the world wide WEB words are important many don't seem to grasp it tho

This is the mouth of the beast

Twistie

 

[Oseas]

First of all, a beast in the bible is always referring to a empire, more specifically, a global superpower at the time, so it's not just a man. Of course, there could be a supreme leader of that empire, but there must be an empire for him to lead, and in the end it's gonna be a revived Roman Empire. In Rev. 17, the Beast is revealed as Mystery Babylon riding a seven-headed scarlet Beast, then the angel explained that this is the 8th, which is also OF THE SEVEN (heads of the Beast, symbolizing seven kings). So here's the twist - indeed, the lamb beast is the false messiah, but that is also the final form of the Beast - who received a deadly wound on the head, then healed. It will appear as the messiah, savior of the world, but actually it's the SAME Beast with a woman on it, that's why it's "of the seven", and that woman, Mystery Babylon, is the global false religious system that mind controls the global population, symbolized as "many waters."

I don't know how to cancel the post above #13, it is not mine but of Jonathan.

"First of all", using your on words, then you agree that there is no global Power without a man as the main leader and ruler at the top of Power.

It seems for me you are making a confusion between the two Beasts powers highlighted in Revelation 13, I mean there are two distincts Beasts, and the first Beast which appeared in the global cenary is the Beast of sea, a religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy-Revelation 13:1. NOTE: SEA means waters, waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues). What is the roots of the Beast of sea? (A Gentile Beast) . It is written that the Beast of sea is like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the Dragon(Satan) gave him (to the MAN Beast of sea) his power, and his seat, and great authority-Rev.13:2. Daniel prophesied about these two satanic Beasts- Daniel 7:3 to 8 - and also shows the roots of the Beast of sea as follows:

3 And four great Beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard (the third), which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth Beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the (10) horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn(the eleventh horn), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man(so the little horn is the eighth), and a mouth speaking great things. (What are the great things? 2Thessalonians 2:3-12 reveals what are the great things that the little horn (that is the false messiah, the false lamb) will speak through his mouth when he manifests himself in days to come or in this current time. Check it.
On the other hand, it is the Beast of sea who will receive a mortal wound by a SWORD in ONE of his SEVEN heads. Then, the dragon will give to the Beast of sea his power, and his Throne (in Jerusalem), and great authority, so his deadly wound will be healed: and all the world will be wondered after the Beast. And they will worship the dragon which gave power unto the Beast of sea: and they will worship the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make war with him? (Yeah, who will able to make war with the Beast? I think Michael will be able)

Revelation 13:11 - 11 And I beheld ANOTHER (a second Beast) coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. (This second Beast is the eleventh horn, that is the false lamb, false messiah - 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 : -
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God (in Jerusalem) shewing himself that he is God. And the COURT which is WITHOUT...it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Believe, the Word of GOD is the main source for our better understanding of the prophecies.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

It seems for me you are making a confusion between the two Beasts powers highlighted in Revelation 13, I mean there are two distincts Beasts, and the first Beast which appeared in the global cenary is the Beast of sea, a religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy-Revelation 13:1. NOTE: SEA means waters, waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues). What is the roots of the Beast of sea? (A Gentile Beast) . It is written that the Beast of sea is like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the Dragon(Satan) gave him (to the MAN Beast of sea) his power, and his seat, and great authority-Rev.13:2. Daniel prophesied about these two satanic Beasts-

There’s no confusion for me. Read Rev. 17, the angel explained everything to John. There’s an 8th king, which I believe is the lamb beast.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

I don't know how to cancel the post above #13, it is not mine but of Jonathan.

"First of all", using your on words, then you agree that there is no global Power without a man as the main leader and ruler at the top of Power.

It seems for me you are making a confusion between the two Beasts powers highlighted in Revelation 13, I mean there are two distincts Beasts, and the first Beast which appeared in the global cenary is the Beast of sea, a religious MONSTER having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy-Revelation 13:1. NOTE: SEA means waters, waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues). What is the roots of the Beast of sea? (A Gentile Beast) . It is written that the Beast of sea is like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the Dragon(Satan) gave him (to the MAN Beast of sea) his power, and his seat, and great authority-Rev.13:2. Daniel prophesied about these two satanic Beasts- Daniel 7:3 to 8

And by the way, the dragon, the beast and the false prophet are Satan’s counterfeit of the godhead. As Christ will return when His global church is complete, the groom joins his bride and become one, so will the sea beast and the lamb beast, those two will become one global beast system in the Great Tribulation, and that’s Mystery Babylon riding the Beast.

 

[Oseas]

There’s no confusion for me. Read Rev. 17, the angel explained everything to John. There’s an 8th king, which I believe is the lamb beast.

OK. My point was to prove by God's Word that America is neither of the two Beasts in Rev. 13.

Yes, I agree with you "the 8th king is the lamb beast"-Rev.13:11- , actually the little horn who came up among the ten horns(the eleventh) and three of the first (10) horns will be plucked up by the roots, then the lamb beast will rule as the eighth king as we (you and me) believe. It's a true interpretation of GOD's Word.

 

[Oseas]

And by the way, the dragon, the beast and the false prophet are Satan’s counterfeit of the godhead. As Christ will return when His global church is complete, the groom joins his bride and become one, so will the sea beast and the lamb beast, those two will become one global beast system in the Great Tribulation, and that’s Mystery Babylon riding the Beast.

Yes I agree, your interpretation is true and perfect.

Repeating your own words, "the dragon, the beast and the false prophet are Satan’s counterfeit of the godhead, so the sea beast and the lamb beast, those two will become one global beast system (those two will become the ephemeral Antichrist's Empire) in the Great Tribulation(in the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:27), and that’s Mystery Babylon riding the Beast". (highlight is mine)

On the other hand, as you above also said, "Christ will return when His global church is complete, the groom joins his bride and become one". Revelation 19:8-9-
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of GOD.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection. Amen

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[Jonathan_Gale]

OK. My point was to prove by God's Word that America is neither of the two Beasts in Rev. 13.

Yes, I agree with you "the 8th king is the lamb beast"-Rev.13:11- , actually the little horn who came up among the ten horns(the eleventh) and three of the first (10) horns will be plucked up by the roots, then the lamb beast will rule as the eighth king as we (you and me) believe. It's a true interpretation of GOD's Word.

I've never positively identified America as either of the two beasts. The lamb beast is not gonna be just one country, but a global empire with a church-state beast system. That's the Antichrist's kingdom, also the ultimate dystopia and a revived Roman Empire. The earliest model of that is the Tower of Babel in Gen. 11. God scattered the peoples and set boundaries between them, but the Antichrist will reverse that process and rebuild the Tower of Babel, that's the big picture. And what I'm saying is, America plays a critical role by provding the technologies that will enable the Antichrist to accomplish that. There's artificial intelligence, genetic engineering, virtual reality, digital currency, drone strike, nuclear bomb, all originated from nowhere else but America.

 

[Oseas]

I've never positively identified America as either of the two beasts.

According the Word of GOD you do well and right.

The lamb beast is not gonna be just one country, but a global empire with a church-state beast system. That's the Antichrist's kingdom, also the ultimate dystopia and a revived Roman Empire.

Yes, I agree. Speaking of the origin or the roots of Antichrist's Power, What I know is that the two beasts specifically of the Apocalypse, are powerful religious systems developed by the spirit of Antichrist. The spirit of antichrist manifested himself from the birth of JESUS. You know that Satan tried to kill JESUS even as a little child, but when JESUS began His Ministry, then Satan intensified his persecution against ao Lord JESUS until he crucified Him, mainly through the hypocritical religious priests, scribes and Pharisees, a race of serpents, who had only the knowledge of the letter of the Torah and of the books of the prophets, but they did not know GOD the Father and His only begotten Son, the promised Messiah, so they were guided and dominated by the spirit of the Devil, spirit of the antichrist, and our Lord JESUS had to face them .

After the crucifixion of JESUS, Satan began to persecute the disciples, the spirit of the Antichrist was greatly disturbed and tormented before the power of GOD poured out upon the disciples, and the wonders that followed through the name of JESUS. The Lord's apostles started to develop Churches, around the year 95AD, according to the Revelation, there were officially 7 churches in Asia despite all the persecution of Satan, and one Church in Rome, whose Church was much loved by the Apostle Paul - Romans 1:8to17. Unfortunately, after the death of Paul Apostle, the Church of the Lord in Rome became "politically" linked with the Roman Empire, and fell totally into the power of Satan and became the birthplace, the cradle, of the Antichrist. John the apostle denounced this conquest of Satan in his first universal epistle -1 John:2-18-20:-
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (Terrible, very terrible this satanic event with the former Church of the Lord in Rome, even in the beginning of the Church, still in development)

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and YE KNOW ALL things.

Well, the battle always have been, and in this current time will continues to be between :
- the body of Satan -the Church of Rome leaded and guided by the Beast of sea -the Pope, the Papacy-, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his (10) horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads, the name of blasphemy;

and

- the body of Christ - the true Church of the Lord - and in this final battle the old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, will be laid hold and bound a thousand years that he should deceive the nations no more. According to GOD's Word, what needs to happen first? Exactly what is written in Revelation 18: 1 to 5, i.e. the Judgment of the Great *****, as follows:
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. (Note: This angel is spiritually higher and more powerful than the angels of the Churches)
2 And he cried (will cry) mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

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May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection. Amen

Celebration of the Lamb's marriage? ONLY AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON

According to GOD's Word, what needs to happen first? Exactly what is written in Revelation 18: 1 to 5, i.e. the Judgment of the Great *****, as follows: 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. (Note: This...

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[Jonathan_Gale]

According the Word of GOD you do well and right.

Yes, I agree. Speaking of the origin or the roots of Antichrist's Power, What I know is that the two beasts specifically of the Apocalypse, are powerful religious systems developed by the spirit of Antichrist. The spirit of antichrist manifested himself from the birth of JESUS. You know that Satan tried to kill JESUS even as a little child, but when JESUS began His Ministry, then Satan intensified his persecution against ao Lord JESUS until he crucified Him, mainly through the hypocritical religious priests, scribes and Pharisees, a race of serpents, who had only the knowledge of the letter of the Torah and of the books of the prophets, but they did not know GOD the Father and His only begotten Son, the promised Messiah, so they were guided and dominated by the spirit of the Devil, spirit of the antichrist, and our Lord JESUS had to face them .

After the crucifixion of JESUS, Satan began to persecute the disciples, the spirit of the Antichrist was greatly disturbed and tormented before the power of GOD poured out upon the disciples, and the wonders that followed through the name of JESUS. The Lord's apostles started to develop Churches, around the year 95AD, according to the Revelation, there were officially 7 churches in Asia despite all the persecution of Satan, and one Church in Rome, whose Church was much loved by the Apostle Paul - Romans 1:8to17. Unfortunately, after the death of Paul Apostle, the Church of the Lord in Rome became "politically" linked with the Roman Empire, and fell totally into the power of Satan and became the birthplace, the cradle, of the Antichrist. John the apostle denounced this conquest of Satan in his first universal epistle -1 John:2-18-20:-
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. (Terrible, very terrible this satanic event with the former Church of the Lord in Rome, even in the beginning of the Church, still in development)

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and YE KNOW ALL things.

Well, the battle always have been, and in this current time will continues to be between :
- the body of Satan -the Church of Rome leaded and guided by the Beast of sea -the Pope, the Papacy-, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his (10) horns ten crowns, and upon his (7) heads, the name of blasphemy;

and

- the body of Christ - the true Church of the Lord - and in this final battle the old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, will be laid hold and bound a thousand years that he should deceive the nations no more. According to GOD's Word, what needs to happen first? Exactly what is written in Revelation 18: 1 to 5, i.e. the Judgment of the Great *****, as follows:
1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. (Note: This angel is spiritually higher and more powerful than the angels of the Churches)
2 And he cried (will cry) mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Celebration of the Lamb's marriage? ONLY AFTER THE JUDGMENT AND FALL OF BABYLON

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection. Amen

Celebration of the Lamb's marriage? ONLY AFTER THE JUDGMENT OF BABYLON

According to GOD's Word, what needs to happen first? Exactly what is written in Revelation 18: 1 to 5, i.e. the Judgment of the Great *****, as follows: 1 And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory. (Note: This...

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The pharisees failed to recognize Yeshua as a suffering servant who must die as an atonement for the sin of mankind. In their deep-rooted paradigm, the messiah, Son of David only comes once as a conquering king to liberate them and build his kingdom, while the nation of Israel is symbolized as a suffering servant. And it was not just the pharisees, but the disciples as well. They never understood that until they witnessed the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord. Simply put, they failed to connect the prophecy with their reality.

Unfortunately, the same mistake is being made today, prophecy that count for a third of the bible is rarely taught. Some are even drowned in an illusion that Christ has already returned and His kingdom is already built, it's like one of the earliest communist slogan - WE ARE THE MESSIAH WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR! This is erroneous and dangerous, you know, since the opposite is happening - the Dragon is about to be cast down to earth. We must cling closely to Christ more than ever, He's our only hope. To be honest, I used to believe Trump was until Jan 6.