Where is America in Bible prophecy?? 2-2-23

[Jonathan_Gale]

That is not true. It is silly to twist the Scriptures, it's result is only weeds/chaff/tares, it is very dangerous, it can even cause loss of soul.

Be careful or then get ready

What scripture did I twist? I just pointed out a simple fact, that the Beast is empowered to breathing life into his image, calling fire from heaven, financial sanction through a mark, having dominion over all peoples. And in reality, only America can make that happen. The kings of the earth are already plotting against God in vain at the World Economic Forum, the UN, etc. and He who sits on the throne laughs at them, exactly as Ps 2 described.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

Apparently those two, who are "offended" don't understand what you posted or the countless reasons why America IS an amazing and great country among other things.
If America falls, and given prophecy and current events over the past 3 years including the Chinese bioweapon, the rest WILL fall or like in the video.
Truth....if some religious leader in another country did it then most would ignore it.

It’s not just country-state, don’t let your mind be limited at that aspect, because there must be a global economic dominion that paves the way for any global political dominion. Those big corporations, the American oligarchs, the Big Food, Big Pharma, Big Tech, military-industrial complex, those are the real bosses, they are the “merchants of the earth” described in Rev. 18., that’s not just the fall of Babylon, but the collapse of the international trading system. Their products and services have no boundaries.

 

[Oseas]

What scripture did I twist? I just pointed out a simple fact, that the Beast is empowered to breathing life into his image, calling fire from heaven, financial sanction through a mark, having dominion over all peoples. And in reality, only America can make that happen. The kings of the earth are already plotting against God in vain at the World Economic Forum, the UN, etc. and He who sits on the throne laughs at them, exactly as Ps 2 described.

Ah your point and interest is to write only about cunningly devised fables, and speculations, imaginations, presumptions, conjectures, and your own opinion, before GOD they mean nothing and are good for nothing.

For me what matters and prevails is the written Word of GOD - the Word is GOD, understand?-John 1:1.
JESUS left very clear, saying: In the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, so get ready for the Judgment Seat of Christ.
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[Jonathan_Gale]

Ah your point and interest is to write only about cunningly devised fables, and speculations, imaginations, presumptions, conjectures, and your own opinion, before GOD they mean nothing and are good for nothing.

For me what matters and prevails is the written Word of GOD - the Word is GOD, understand?-John 1:1.
JESUS left very clear, saying: In the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together FIRST the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them, so get ready for the Judgment Seat of Christ.
.

This is called discerning the signs of time, the supposedly ancient word of God is coming to life. These prophecies themselves are just fables and myths if we fail to see how they are being fulfilled in reality.

 

[Oseas]

This is called discerning the signs of time, the supposedly ancient word of God is coming to life. These prophecies themselves are just fables and myths if we fail to see how they are being fulfilled in reality.

JESUS revealed what would go to happen in these days of Apocalypse, and listed some events to be fullfiled in this current time in whole world, these to occur after the Temple of Jerusalem be destroyed, what really happended in the year 70AD. Having the disciples asked JESUS what would be the signs of the END of the world, and the signs of His COMING, so JESUS listed the follow happenings as the beginning of sorrows:
- 1- Appearance and manifestation of false Christs/messiah ;
- 2- Wars and rumours of war ;
- 3- nation shall rise against nation ;
- 4- and kingdom against kingdom; (Kingdom of GOD X Kingdom of Devil - Revelation 11:15 and 12:7-12- check it.) ;
- 5- famines ;
- 6- pestilences ; and
- 7- earthquakes in divers places.
- 8- all these are the beginning of sorrows.
JESUS warned. Take heed that no man deceive you. (this was the first concerns of JESUS). It seems that many have not kept this warning of JESUS and are being deceived by false and devilish theories and false interpretations of the Word of GOD spread in the world, mainly through internet. Check it in 2Corinthians 11:13-15. It is necessary to seek discernment of spirit, as says the Word of GOD. "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of GOD: because many false prophets (false preachers of the Word of GOD-the TAIL of the red Dragon-Isaiah 9:15-16) are gone out into the world. And in addition to the false preachers of the Word of God, an esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah will also manifest itself-Revelation 13:11-14 - , perhaps next year, and will easily deceive the world through his great signs of lies.

Be careful or then get ready

 

[Waggles]

Globalization only became a reality after the collapse of the Soviet Union under the order of so called “Pax Americana”.

The U.S.A. aka America is not in Bible prophecy.
As for Revelation 13 that is about the rise of the church of Rome (Babylon) and her departure from the true gospel - making war against the saints
and the second beast to rise is the Papacy which in the process of time usurps Jesus as the head of the church.

 

[Waggles]

because there must be a global economic dominion that paves the way for any global political dominion. Those big corporations, the American oligarchs,

You are thinking in natural terms but not in spiritual terms (or symbology)
Revelation is not about America or the European Union it is about the history of the gospel and the church age - the rise and dominance of Mystery Babylon which truly is global
The Roman Catholic church is a global enterprise and has a government in 13 acres of land known as the Vatican - an independent state with her own ambassadors (legates) with the Pope being both
head of the Roman Catholic Church and head of state of the Vatican.
Then bring inm together other Babylonian religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism and you have worldwide rule by satan over humankind.
America is not in prophecy because America is simply indicative of worldliness like all other nations.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

The U.S.A. aka America is not in Bible prophecy.
As for Revelation 13 that is about the rise of the church of Rome (Babylon) and her departure from the true gospel - making war against the saints
and the second beast to rise is the Papacy which in the process of time usurps Jesus as the head of the church.

I’ve told you, that the big corporations, as the “merchants of the earth”, are surely in Bible prophecy. Most American megachurches are a travesty, they are dubbed “rock concert and TED talk,” materially wealthy but spiritually poor, exactly like the lukewarm Laodicea church. Even the design of three branches of the US government is based on Isaiah 33:22 - “God is our king, our lawmaker, our judge.” Just because you don’t see the connection doesn’t mean America is not in the prophecy.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You are thinking in natural terms but not in spiritual terms (or symbology)
Revelation is not about America or the European Union it is about the history of the gospel and the church age - the rise and dominance of Mystery Babylon which truly is global
The Roman Catholic church is a global enterprise and has a government in 13 acres of land known as the Vatican - an independent state with her own ambassadors (legates) with the Pope being both
head of the Roman Catholic Church and head of state of the Vatican.
Then bring inm together other Babylonian religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, Sikhism and you have worldwide rule by satan over humankind.
America is not in prophecy because America is simply indicative of worldliness like all other nations.

Sorry, pal, Revelation is about the END of the church age. The history of the church age is wrapped up in the seven letters. From 4:1 it’s judgement time. The Roman Catholic Church at best is just the corrupt Thyatira church that worshiped Jezebel.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

JESUS revealed what would go to happen in these days of Apocalypse, and listed some events to be fullfiled in this current time in whole world, these to occur after the Temple of Jerusalem be destroyed, what really happended in the year 70AD. Having the disciples asked JESUS what would be the signs of the END of the world, and the signs of His COMING, so JESUS listed the follow happenings as the beginning of sorrows:
- 1- Appearance and manifestation of false Christs/messiah ;
- 2- Wars and rumours of war ;
- 3- nation shall rise against nation ;
- 4- and kingdom against kingdom; (Kingdom of GOD X Kingdom of Devil - Revelation 11:15 and 12:7-12- check it.) ;
- 5- famines ;
- 6- pestilences ; and
- 7- earthquakes in divers places.
- 8- all these are the beginning of sorrows.
JESUS warned. Take heed that no man deceive you. (this was the first concerns of JESUS). It seems that many have not kept this warning of JESUS and are being deceived by false and devilish theories and false interpretations of the Word of GOD spread in the world, mainly through internet. Check it in 2Corinthians 11:13-15. It is necessary to seek discernment of spirit, as says the Word of GOD. "Believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of GOD: because many false prophets (false preachers of the Word of GOD-the TAIL of the red Dragon-Isaiah 9:15-16) are gone out into the world. And in addition to the false preachers of the Word of God, an esoteric and kabbalistic false messiah will also manifest itself-Revelation 13:11-14 - , perhaps next year, and will easily deceive the world through his great signs of lies.

Be careful or then get ready

Of course, we’re living in the end times, the Lord will return in the 2030s, no doubt about that.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

You are thinking in natural terms but not in spiritual terms (or symbology)

And by the way, if you truly thought in spiritual terms, you would’ve put your focus on the evil spirits instead ox nation-states. These evil spirits are manifested in all kinds of idols, religions, philosophies and ideologies, just pick an “ism” and you’d know what I’m talking about. Socialism, racism, transgenderism, consumerism, just to name a few most prevalent ones. Of course it’s not just America, but America is actively pushing them all over the world, and you can’t just ignore it and pretend it’s just conspiracy theory. The only way to fight back is to put on the full armor of God and wield the sword of the Spirit.

 

[MedicBravo]

It’s not just country-state, don’t let your mind be limited at that aspect, because there must be a global economic dominion that paves the way for any global political dominion. Those big corporations, the American oligarchs, the Big Food, Big Pharma, Big Tech, military-industrial complex, those are the real bosses, they are the “merchants of the earth” described in Rev. 18., that’s not just the fall of Babylon, but the collapse of the international trading system. Their products and services have no boundaries.

I'm not but this video is from one POV.
As I've stated, the video would be different from someone in the UK, Russia, etc.
If anything, and a reminder, Christians are commanded to fight evil not do nothing.

 

[Waggles]

America is not identified in Bible prophecy
there are references to nations and to war
as for Gog and Magog that is highly controversial over who these names refer to
and as for - "Gomer and all his hordes; Beth-togarmah from the uttermost parts of the north with all his hordes" - who are these??
Revelation is history and prophecy is about the gospel, the church, the restoration of Rome (Mystery Babylon), the Popes and the RCC, and the rise of Islam,
and finally the eventual triumph of Jesus and the saints over the world.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

America is not identified in Bible prophecy
there are references to nations and to war
as for Gog and Magog that is highly controversial over who these names refer to
and as for - "Gomer and all his hordes; Beth-togarmah from the uttermost parts of the north with all his hordes" - who are these??
Revelation is history and prophecy is about the gospel, the church, the restoration of Rome (Mystery Babylon), the Popes and the RCC, and the rise of Islam,
and finally the eventual triumph of Jesus and the saints over the world.

Revelation is history? You must’ve been brainwashed by the seventh day Adventist.

 

[B-A-C]

Ezek 38:2; "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him
Rev 20:8; and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.

It seems Noah had three sons, one of them was Japheth.

Gen 5:32; Noah was five hundred years old, and Noah became the father of Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 6:10; Noah became the father of three sons: Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 7:13; On the very same day Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark,
Gen 9:18; Now the sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem and Ham and Japheth; and Ham was the father of Canaan.

Japheth had some sons also. One of them was Magog.

Gen 10:2; The sons of Japheth were Gomer and Magog and Madai and Javan and Tubal and Meshech and Tiras.
1Chron 1:5; The sons of Japheth were Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech and Tiras.
Ezek 38:2; "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him
Ezek 39:6; "And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety; and they will know that I am the LORD.

Jacob and Leah had six sons, One of them was Rueben ( the first born )

1Chron 5:1; Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel (for he was the firstborn, but because he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given to the sons of Joseph the son of Israel; so that he is not enrolled in the genealogy according to the birthright.
1Chron 5:2; Though Judah prevailed over his brothers, and from him came the leader, yet the birthright belonged to Joseph),
1Chron 5:3; the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel were Hanoch and Pallu, Hezron and Carmi.
1Chron 5:4; The sons of Joel were Shemaiah his son, Gog his son, Shimei his son,

A great grandson of Rueben was Gog. Ezekiel 38 ad 39 talk about Gog and Magog, it seems these lands were named after the people above.

Ezek 38:2; "Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him
Ezek 38:3; and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal.
Ezek 38:14; "Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it?
Ezek 38:16; and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog."
Ezek 38:18; "It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," declares the Lord GOD, "that My fury will mount up in My anger.
Ezek 39:1; "And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal;
Ezek 39:11; "On that day I will give Gog a burial ground there in Israel, the valley of those who pass by east of the sea, and it will block off those who would pass by. So they will bury Gog there with all his horde, and they will call it the valley of Hamon-gog.

Here is a Wikipedia article, lacking in a lot of research, (for example it doesn't mention Rueben ) but some of it is correct.

Gog and Magog - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[B-A-C]

Revelation is history? You must’ve been brainwashed by the seventh day Adventist.

There are some things that are allegorical, that are likely talking about things that have already happened, but for the most part it is future/eschatological.

For example.

Rev 12:1; A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars;
Rev 12:2; and she was with child; and she *cried out, being in labor and in pain to give birth.
Rev 12:3; Then another sign appeared in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
Rev 12:4; And his tail *swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.
Rev 12:5; And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up to God and to His throne.
Rev 12:6; Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

The woman here is likely Israel/Mary. The 12 stars are likely the twelve tribes. The child is likely Jesus.
The dragon is Satan, and his tail causing a third of the stars to fall to earth, are likely the fallen angels. This is the only reference in the Bible about a 3rd of the angels going with Satan.
The 1,260 days ( roughly 3 1/2 years ) are likely when Mary/Joseph and Jesus fled to Egypt when Jesus was an infant. ( Matt 2:13-19; )

This ( and a few other parts ) of Revelation could be considered past history.

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

he woman here is likely Israel/Mary. The 12 stars are likely the twelve tribes. The child is likely Jesus.
The dragon is Satan, and his tail causing a third of the stars to fall to earth, are likely the fallen angels. This is the only reference in the Bible about a 3rd of the angels going with Satan.
The 1,260 days ( roughly 3 1/2 years ) are likely when Mary/Joseph and Jesus fled to Egypt when Jesus was an infant. ( Matt 2:13-19; )

This ( and a few other parts ) of Revelation could be considered past history.

It's unwise to consider it just allegory if you want to take these prophecies seriously. Is the child just Yeshua's earthly being - or the whole church, of which Yeshua is the head? I used to think of that as just a reference of His ascension and nothing more, but it is also mentioned that church is the body and Yeshua is the HEAD, His second coming is like a woman giving birth. The vast majority usually think of that as "allegory" or parable or poetic literature, but what if it's more than that?

What I'm suggesting is, yes, this Child is Yeshua our Lord and Savior, but if the church is His body, then this body is not fully developed YET. Therefore, when this child was "caught up to God and to His throne" and to "rule all the nations with a rod of iron", that's referring to the end times when His church is BUILT, His body is COMPLETED, then it's time for delivery at full term, and Satan will seek to devour him. Until then, our Lord is still in the womb, and we get birth pang upon birth pang, false alarm upon false alarm in the third trimester. I know it may sound a little crazy, but if you read it in this way, then all this seemingly allegorical language will make sense, and it fits snagly and perfectly into God's timeline.

 

[Oseas]

America is not identified in Bible prophecy
there are references to nations and to war
as for Gog and Magog that is highly controversial over who these names refer to
and as for - "Gomer and all his hordes; Beth-togarmah from the uttermost parts of the north with all his hordes" - who are these??
Revelation is history and prophecy is about the gospel, the church, the restoration of Rome (Mystery Babylon), the Popes and the RCC, and the rise of Islam,
and finally the eventual triumph of Jesus and the saints over the world.

By ALLEGORY, GOG and MAGOG are two Beasts - Revelation 13: 1 to 18

There will be two SATANIC Beasts reigning on the whole Earth: Europe, and Asia, Africa, Oceania(Australia), North America, Central America and South America. Revelation 13-King James Version - written around 95AD-65 years after JESUS's ascencion.

FIRST BEAST - THE BEAST OF SEA - A GENTILE BEAST
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea (a Gentile Beast=SEA means waters=>peoples , and nations, and multitudes of all tongues) having seven heads(7 mounts) and ten horns(Daniel 7:7), and upon his (10) horns ten crowns(title of nobility), and upon his (7) heads the NAME of blasphemy. (What kind of blasphemy's NAME)

2 And the Beast which I saw (the Beast of sea) was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion(here the origin/roots of the Beast of sea-Daniel 7:4-6):and the dragon (Satan incarnated, a former Cherub, son of perdition-2 Thes. 2:3-4 combined with Revelation 12:3-4) gave him (gave to the Beast of sea) his Power, and his Seat (in Jerusalem), and great Authority.

3 And I saw one of his (7) heads (in my view will be South America) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed (was healed because Satan incarnated, a former Cherub, son of perdition-2 Thes. 2:3-4 combined with Revelation 12:3-4) gave him (gave to the Beast of sea) his Power, and his Seat (in Jerusalem), and great Authority, and all the world wondered after the Beast.

4 And they(all the world) worshipped the dragon(worshipped Satan incarnated, a former Cherub, son of perdition-2 Thes. 2:3-4 combined with Revelation 12:3-4) which gave power unto the Beast(gave power unto the Gentile Beast of sea): and they worshipped the Beast, saying, Who is like unto the Beast? who is able to make WAR with him? (Michael is able - Revelation 12)

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (first half of the last week, week 70th Daniel 9:24)

6 And he (the Gentile Beast of sea) opened (will open) his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name (against JESUS), and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (who dwell in heaven is revealed in Ephesians 1:v.3 among others).

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (Get ready -There will be two religious and satanic Beasts in the days ahead), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.




SECOND BEAST - THE BEAST OF THE EARTH - A JEWISH BEAST
11 And I beheld ANOTHER Beast coming up out of the earth (a second Beast); and he has two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.( a false lamb, actually a false messiah as was prophesied by JESUS - -John 5:43-47)

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first Beast before him (the Beast of earth is much more powerful than the Beast of the sea), and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first Beast(to worship the Gentile Beast of sea), whose deadly wound was healed. (was healed because Satan incarnated, a former Cherub, son of perdition-2 Thes. 2:3-4 combined with Revelation 12:3-4, gave to the Beast of sea, his Power, his Throne in Jerusalem, and great Authority)

13 And he (the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist Beast of earth like a lamb, a false lamb) doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth(earth here is Israel) by the means of those miracles which he has power to do in the sight of the Beast (in the sight of the Beast of sea); saying to them that dwell on the earth (dwell in Israel), that they should make an image to the Beast, which had the wound by a SWORD, and did live. (the SWORD is the Word of GOD, a sharp Sword-Hebrew 4:12-13)

15 And he (the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist Beast of earth like a lamb, a false lamb) has power to give life unto the image of the Beast, that the image of the Beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the Beast should be killed.

16 And he (the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist Beast of earth like a lamb, a false lamb) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the NAME of the Beast, or the NUMBER of his NAME.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding COUNT (not calculate) the number of the Beast: for it is the NUMBER of a man; and his NUMBER is Six hundred threescore and six.

Get ready, there will be two religious and SATANIC Beasts reigning in the Earth very soon, by the way, the last Pope must be elected, who will reign together the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Beast of the earth having two horns and speaks as Dragon, in the period of the last week of seven years. Both Beasts will rule a religious and SATANIC MONSTER having 7 heads, and 10 horns(symbol of the 10 tribes of Israel-the clay), having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And with his TAIL-Isaiah 9:15-16- will draw to him the third part of the stars of heaven(heaven? Ephesians 1:v.3),

Get ready

 

[Oseas]

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[Jonathan_Gale]

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Man, why do you have to go through all these hustle to whip up our own ideas for interpretation when the answer is right there in the Book? This Sea Beast is the same one that prophet Daniel saw, and the Earth Beast is 8th king, which is the same Sea Beast as it is "of the seven". Since this Beast in John's time was the Roman Empire, at the end time it will be a revived Roman Empire, as its deadly wound is "healed". This is the same prophetic picture in King Nebuchadnezzar's dream of the Babylonian statue, from the hips to the feet it was all iron, that's the Roman Empire. It didn't just cease to exist in the 6th century, it has always been there throughout history. The last book is titled Revelation because it's meant to REVEAL, not to conceal. There's no guesswork.