who was on earth that would find Cain and kill him?

[Tristan W]

and his mark prevented/deterred others from killing him? how would a passer by that wanted to slay Cain, know that they would be avenged 7 fold?

 

[Brother Paul]

There were already many more on earth by the time of Cain's demise. First off Cain and Abel were already adults with their own vocations (one a shepherd and the other a farmer) and though not mentioned because it was not the point, they may have even had many children of their own, Secondly just because the Bible reports Cain and Abel were A & E's first children does not mean they were their ONLY children (they were being fruitful and multiplying) their other children most likely (naturally) had other children as well. Then thirdly there is a Rabbinical issue, little discussed, that arises from the ancient Hebrew. Cain when cast away is sent to the land of Nod. The ancient word "Nod" literally means wanderers (people who wandered here and there..perhaps migratory or even hunter gatherers). Who they were or where they came from specifically is not mentioned (because it was irrelevant to God's purpose in giving us the teaching) but they were already there when Cain is forced to join them.

Think on these things

Brother Paul (not to be confused with "Brother-Paul")

 

[B-A-C]

Gen 4:15; So the LORD said to him, "Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.
Gen 4:16; Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Gen 4:17; Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city Enoch, after the name of his son.
Gen 4:18; Now to Enoch was born Irad, and Irad became the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael became the father of Methushael, and Methushael became the father of Lamech.
Gen 4:19; Lamech took to himself two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other, Zillah.
Gen 4:20; Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.
Gen 4:21; His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe.
Gen 4:22; As for Zillah, she also gave birth to Tubal-cain, the forger of all implements of bronze and iron; and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
Gen 4:23; Lamech said to his wives, "Adah and Zillah, Listen to my voice, You wives of Lamech, Give heed to my speech, For I have killed a man for wounding me; And a boy for striking me;
Gen 4:24; If Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold."
Gen 4:25; Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth, for, she said, "God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him."
Gen 4:26; To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

Adam and Eve had a third son named Seth. (The lineage of Jesus is through Seth - Luke 3:38; )
But between Cain and Seth, Six other generations had passed.
Enoch, Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech.. and finally Seth. Seth had nephews hundreds of years younger than himself. In those days people lived to be
hundreds of years old. Adam himself lived to be 930 (Gen 5:5; )

We don't know how long Cain lived. Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born. (Gen 5:3; )
Seth lived to be 912 (Gen 5:8; ). So consider a couple of possibilities, maybe God created other people outside the garden AFTER Adam and Eve. (We know Cain married - Gen 4:17; )
..or.. even if these were other offspring of Adam and Eve, hundreds of years could have gone by before Cain died, you could make quite the population in that time.

There could have been dozens of people alive (hundreds?) during Cain's lifetime.

* SIDE NOTE: Lamech had much the same story as Cain - Gen 4:23-24; He said if Cain will be avenged 7 fold, I will be avenged 70 fold.

 

[A. Christian]

Gen 4:15; So the LORD said to him, "Therefore whoever kills Cain, vengeance will be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD appointed a sign for Cain, so that no one finding him would slay him.
Gen 4:16; Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
Gen 4:17; Cain had relations with his wife and she conceived, and gave birth to Enoch; and he built a city, and called the name of the city Enoch, after the name of his son.
Gen 4:18; Now to Enoch was born Irad, and Irad became the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael became the father of Methushael, and Methushael became the father of Lamech.
Gen 4:19; Lamech took to himself two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other, Zillah.
Gen 4:20; Adah gave birth to Jabal; he was the father of those who dwell in tents and have livestock.
Gen 4:21; His brother's name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe.
Gen 4:22; As for Zillah, she also gave birth to Tubal-cain, the forger of all implements of bronze and iron; and the sister of Tubal-cain was Naamah.
Gen 4:23; Lamech said to his wives, "Adah and Zillah, Listen to my voice, You wives of Lamech, Give heed to my speech, For I have killed a man for wounding me; And a boy for striking me;
Gen 4:24; If Cain is avenged sevenfold, Then Lamech seventy-sevenfold."
Gen 4:25; Adam had relations with his wife again; and she gave birth to a son, and named him Seth, for, she said, "God has appointed me another offspring in place of Abel, for Cain killed him."
Gen 4:26; To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

Adam and Eve had a third son named Seth. (The lineage of Jesus is through Seth - Luke 3:38; )
But between Cain and Seth, Six other generations had passed.
Enoch, Irad, Mehujael, Methushael, Lamech.. and finally Seth. Seth had nephews hundreds of years younger than himself. In those days people lived to be
hundreds of years old. Adam himself lived to be 930 (Gen 5:5; )

We don't know how long Cain lived. Adam was 130 years old when Seth was born. (Gen 5:3; )
Seth lived to be 912 (Gen 5:8; ). So consider a couple of possibilities, maybe God created other people outside the garden AFTER Adam and Eve. (We know Cain married - Gen 4:17; )
..or.. even if these were other offspring of Adam and Eve, hundreds of years could have gone by before Cain died, you could make quite the population in that time.

There could have been dozens of people alive (hundreds?) during Cain's lifetime.

* SIDE NOTE: Lamech had much the same story as Cain - Gen 4:23-24; He said if Cain will be avenged 7 fold, I will be avenged 70 fold.

I do not believe that there could have been other people made outside of Adam and his descendants because then it would be unjustified for them to be born spiritually dead having not inherited that from Adam and his sin.

In short cain had to have married a sister, or a niece, maybe a great niece. Sounds gross but we have to remember that this was a very long time ago and things were very different.

Also Lamech might have said that about being avenged 70 fold but we don't see God agreeing with it. It could just be wishful thinking of a scared man.

 

[Tristan W]

I do not believe that there could have been other people made outside of Adam and his descendants because then it would be unjustified for them to be born spiritually dead having not inherited that from Adam and his sin.

In short cain had to have married a sister, or a niece, maybe a great niece. Sounds gross but we have to remember that this was a very long time ago and things were very different.

Also Lamech might have said that about being avenged 70 fold but we don't see God agreeing with it. It could just be wishful thinking of a scared man.

This was really what I was pondering. A line of people outside of Adam.

 

[A. Christian]

This was really what I was pondering. A line of people outside of Adam.

Yea no line outside of Adam, it is imperative that all of humanity descend from Adam.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Yea no line outside of Adam, it is imperative that all of humanity descend from Adam.

All hu mans from the line of Adam...We don't know at all that any preAdamic race was hu man...do we? Hu man means 'belonging to man' Other people could be something different similar but non hu man.

 

[Downunder]

This was really what I was pondering. A line of people outside of Adam.

God created human beings (male & female He created them) in Genesis 1 on the sixth period of time then after God rested for a period (the sabbath)
there must have been trouble and rebellion with angels and the fall of Lucifer at sometime before Genesis 3
Genesis 2 is different from Genesis 1 - first the language is very different for Adam (and Eve) are made (formed) not created; along with the sequence of events with emphasis on beasts of the field and livestock.
Note that in the story of the fall, Genesis 3, Lucifer already exists as a liar and a deceiver and deliberately tempts Eve and Adam - what is happening in the spirit world??
There is a whole lot more going on here than merely two people supposedly being the parents of all subsequent living humans (which raises problems with the diverse races of human beings >> Darwinism?)
Both Isiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 refer to Lucifer being in Eden.

 

[Downunder]

Did Cain marry his sister - NO definitely not.
Cain and Abel is Genesis 4
4:8 Cain spoke to Abel his brother. And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him.
4:14 Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I [Cain] shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.
4:15 Then the LORD said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him.
4:17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.
Seth is not born until after all of this
4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”
4:26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.
Other sons and daughters to Adam and Eve are not mentioned until Genesis 5 and after Seth
5:4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.
5:5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Did Cain marry his sister - NO definitely not.
Cain and Abel is Genesis 4
4:8 Cain spoke to Abel his brother. And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel and killed him.
4:14 Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I [Cain] shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me.
4:15 Then the LORD said to him, “Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold.” And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him.
4:17 Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. When he built a city, he called the name of the city after the name of his son, Enoch.
Seth is not born until after all of this
4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”
4:26 To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.
Other sons and daughters to Adam and Eve are not mentioned until Genesis 5 and after Seth
5:4 The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters.
5:5 Thus all the days that Adam lived were 930 years, and he died.

So then...who did he marry? I think it was a woman of a preAdamic race.

 

[Brother Paul]

Okay! Let me address a couple of things here. First off there is no such thing as "races" that was a construct made up by white people who were racists (I am also a Caucasian but NOT a racist). God is not "white". Jesus was a middle eastern Jew (and thus not considered white by European and American racists (jews were in the list of sub-humans along with people of African, Hispanic, and Asian decent. There is ONLY ONE human race of one blood (not four not seven) who like roses and bears and so on are of many varieties spanning the entire spectrum of skin tones, \

Now then...Adam and Eve could NOT have been white (although ALL post-Roman Catholic westerners have been made to think so). If they were white the darkest skinned people could not have come from them (which is what a lot of racists use to claim) or they were cursed by God with a mark all over their skin (like the white racist Mormons use to teach). Now it is likewise true that Adam and Eve could not both have been of the darkest skin tomes or we have the same issues in reverse.

The answer to this problem relies on the science allele transmission and degrees of melanin passed on in the Chromosomes. Adam and Eve HAD TO both be of a lighter shade of brown (lighter than the darker skinned and darker than the lighter skinned)...we see this in India and some other places....the parents can produce children that have lighter shades of skin and darker shades of skin....then "in the Beginning", over time, when some of the darker skinned people mated with other darker skinned people the likelihood of dark skin tone was reinforced...likewise with the lighter skinned people if generationally reinforced produced more lighter people....

Now for the second issue there are two possibilities....IF Genesis 1-11 is taken literally then by the time we get to the story of Cain and Abel they are already grown ups with vocations of their own (more then likely with their own wives and kids)...Adam and Eve and other children had other children and so on....

The other possibility is that Adam and Eve were the first two GOD formed personally and others existed elsewhere (the land of Nod mans the land of Wanderers) who may have been a generic evolutionary development or others that God had made after Adam and Evee (though the Bible makes point of it because after all it does not tell us everything only what God wanted us to know)....

 

[Downunder]

So then...who did he marry? I think it was a woman of a preAdamic race.

Agreed.
for if all human beings are biologically descended from Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago; and again all human beings are descended from Noah and family (8 persons) just under 4,000 years ago, then creationists have a very big problem
indeed as to how all the diverse racial types of humans "evolved" (and the other major civilizations began at least 3,000 years ago).

 

[Downunder]

Now for the second issue there are two possibilities....IF Genesis 1-11 is taken literally then by the time we get to the story of Cain and Abel they are already grown ups with vocations of their own (more then likely with their own wives and kids)...Adam and Eve and other children had other children and so on....

Let us learn from what scripture truly teaches us and not add to the story - you are promulgating mediaeval Roman Church teaching here - the same teaching that insisted that the Earth was in the centre of the solar system.
Also you are adding a great deal of evolutionary theory to the story of creation.
The differences between the six major human races is more than skin colour - there are a lot of physiological differences. Compare the negroid peoples of sub-Sahara Africa with the Chinese peoples of eastern Asia.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Okay! Let me address a couple of things here. First off there is no such thing as "races" that was a construct made up by white people who were racists (I am also a Caucasian but NOT a racist). God is not "white". Jesus was a middle eastern Jew (and thus not considered white by European and American racists (jews were in the list of sub-humans along with people of African, Hispanic, and Asian decent. There is ONLY ONE human race of one blood (not four not seven) who like roses and bears and so on are of many varieties spanning the entire spectrum of skin tones, \

Now then...Adam and Eve could NOT have been white (although ALL post-Roman Catholic westerners have been made to think so). If they were white the darkest skinned people could not have come from them (which is what a lot of racists use to claim) or they were cursed by God with a mark all over their skin (like the white racist Mormons use to teach). Now it is likewise true that Adam and Eve could not both have been of the darkest skin tomes or we have the same issues in reverse.

The answer to this problem relies on the science allele transmission and degrees of melanin passed on in the Chromosomes. Adam and Eve HAD TO both be of a lighter shade of brown (lighter than the darker skinned and darker than the lighter skinned)...we see this in India and some other places....the parents can produce children that have lighter shades of skin and darker shades of skin....then "in the Beginning", over time, when some of the darker skinned people mated with other darker skinned people the likelihood of dark skin tone was reinforced...likewise with the lighter skinned people if generationally reinforced produced more lighter people....

Now for the second issue there are two possibilities....IF Genesis 1-11 is taken literally then by the time we get to the story of Cain and Abel they are already grown ups with vocations of their own (more then likely with their own wives and kids)...Adam and Eve and other children had other children and so on....

The other possibility is that Adam and Eve were the first two GOD formed personally and others existed elsewhere (the land of Nod mans the land of Wanderers) who may have been a generic evolutionary development or others that God had made after Adam and Evee (though the Bible makes point of it because after all it does not tell us everything only what God wanted us to know)....

Nobody is talking about races eg white, black or any other....Maybe we should use the word 'species'?

 

[PloughBoy]

Since everyone is doing a lot of "Speculating" here is my 2 cents, Jus maybe "ADAM" was black and Eve was White! just like the "Piano" keys, and when played together they made"Music", just like "Beethoven' compose and wrote symphonies. Like Michelangelo ,Painted pictures! And they were Fruitful and Multiplied the earth.

What do you think?
PS for we are your "Mama and Daddy" now what? the whole earth!


New American Standard Bible
and say, ‘This is what the Lord GOD says to Jerusalem: “Your origin and your birth are from the land of the Canaanite; your father was an Amorite and your mother a Hittite.

What a "Biblical Motif"

 

[JerryfromMass]

and his mark prevented/deterred others from killing him? how would a passer by that wanted to slay Cain, know that they would be avenged 7 fold?

We only know for certain that Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel were present when Cain rose up and killed Abel. If none but Adam, Eve, and Cain were left after Abel is killed, then Cain obviously had a fear that either Adam or Eve or another child of Adam and Eve would slay him. Cain's wife is not mentioned until after Cain is marked by God, so it's likely she was born after Cain slew Abel. Keep in mind that the first several generations lived hundreds of years. Too many assumptions are being made about other's inhabiting the earth besides Adam, Eve, and Cain after Abel is killed and when Cain is marked by God; the word of God is silent.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

We only know for certain that Adam, Eve, Cain and Abel were present when Cain rose up and killed Abel. If none but Adam, Eve, and Cain were left after Abel is killed, then Cain obviously had a fear that either Adam or Eve or another child of Adam and Eve would slay him. Cain's wife is not mentioned until after Cain is marked by God, so it's likely she was born after Cain slew Abel. Keep in mind that the first several generations lived hundreds of years. Too many assumptions are being made about other's inhabiting the earth besides Adam, Eve, and Cain after Abel is killed and when Cain is marked by God; the word of God is silent.

Not entirely silent my friend

 

[JerryfromMass]

Not entirely silent my friend

Okay. I'm all ears (eyes).

 

[JerryfromMass]

and his mark prevented/deterred others from killing him? how would a passer by that wanted to slay Cain, know that they would be avenged 7 fold?

Word of mouth, or perhaps the mark God placed on Cain made that clear.

 

[PloughBoy]