who was on earth that would find Cain and kill him?

[Downunder]

That proves God chose Seth just as God chose Abram, just as God chose Isaac, just as God chose Jacob, and just as God chose Ephraim.

Ok you stick to ancient Roman theology and I will stick to what the scriptures actually teach.
We have reached a Mexican stalemate.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the heavens, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creepers creeping
on the earth.
1:27 And God created the man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God completed His work which He had made. And He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made.
2:3 And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because He rested from all His work on it, which God had created to make.

Gen 2:7 And Jehovah God formed the man out of dust from the ground, and blew into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
2:18 And Jehovah God said, It is not good, the man being alone. I will make a helper suited to him.
2:21 And Jehovah God caused a deep sleep to fall on the man, and he slept. And He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh underneath.
2:22 And Jehovah God formed the rib which He had taken from the man into a woman, and brought her to the man.

Gen 4:13 And Cain said to Jehovah, My punishment is greater than I can bear.
4:14 Behold! You have driven me out from the face of the earth today. And I shall be hidden from Your face. And I shall be a vagabond and a fugitive on the earth. And it will be that anyone who finds me shall kill me.
4:15 And Jehovah said to him, If anyone kills Cain, he shall be avenged sevenfold. And Jehovah set a mark on Cain, so that anyone who found him should not kill him.
4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of Jehovah. And he lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.
4:17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and he called the name of the city according to the name of his son, Enoch.

You've failed to show me any scripture that clearly says Adam was not the first man. Are you okay? Do you need a glass of water?

 

[PloughBoy]

Again pure conjecture.
Where does the narrative in Genesis 1-5 lay this out in detail for us to know.

Genesis 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again, and she bore a son and called his name Seth, for she said, “God has appointed for me another offspring instead of Abel, for Cain killed him.”
I seriously doubt that Eve would have made such a statement if she had already other sons and daughters.

Maybe the word "knew" is throwing him off, and a "Indicative" word should have been used by the "Translators" due to the argument, it seems, it is "imperative" to get the full flavor of The text. Since the original writers did use the common day vernacular. So i may suggest for clarity, substitute the word "knew" for your own, common day vernacular. Believe me it will show a different light into this matter.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Maybe the word "knew" is throwing him off, and a "Indicative" word should have been used by the "Translators" due to the argument, it seems, it is "imperative" to get the full flavor of The text. Since the original writers did use the common day vernacular. So i may suggest for clarity, substitute the word "knew" for your own, common day vernacular. Believe me it will show a different light into this matter.

Did Adam know his wife Eve at all in the 100 or so years after Eve birthed Abel and before Eve birthed Seth?

 

[JerryfromMass]

Ok you stick to ancient Roman theology and I will stick to what the scriptures actually teach.
We have reached a Mexican stalemate.

Except you aren't sticking to what scripture says. You are adding your own pre Adamic theory and postdiluvial theory on the human race. Is that what you're taught in Sunday school?

 

[Sue D.]

Since Eve made the comment about another son, maybe she'd had a series of daughters. Daughters would Not take the place of the son who was killed.

I'm thinking that Adam and Eve were Probably like any normal married couple who 'enjoyed each others' company' -- they Probably had lots and lots of children - as Scripture Does tell us -- and many of those were Probably between the two sons.

 

[PloughBoy]

Since Eve made the comment about another son, maybe she'd had a series of daughters. Daughters would Not take the place of the son who was killed.

I'm thinking that Adam and Eve were Probably like any normal married couple who 'enjoyed each others' company' -- they Probably had lots and lots of children - as Scripture Does tell us -- and many of those were Probably between the two sons.

yes they might of had a whole lot of daughters Even between Cain and Abel Twins, triplets, fours, fives, six, 8 at a time all daughters maybe

 

[JerryfromMass]

yes they might of had a whole lot of daughters Even between Cain and Abel

But no sons?

 

[JerryfromMass]

yes they might of had a whole lot of daughters Even between Cain and Abel

"might have"

 

[PloughBoy]

who was on earth that would find Cain and kill him?

Answer: a Female!

 

[JerryfromMass]

who was on earth that would find Cain and kill him?

Answer: a Female!

How do you know it was a female?

 

[Beetow]

• Gen 4:14b . . anyone who meets me may kill me!

The Bible says that Abel was a prophet and a man of faith, whereas Cain neither.
So it's plausible Cain had trouble believing that his dad was the only human being
on Earth that God created directly from dirt.

• Acts 17:26 . . He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face
of the Earth

The Greek word translated "nation" is ethnos (eth'-nos) from which we get our
English word "ethnic"

Ethnos is primarily a racial designation rather than a geographic boundary; for
example: Pygmy, Inuit, Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Semite, Pacific Islander,
etc.
_

 

[JerryfromMass]

and his mark prevented/deterred others from killing him? how would a passer by that wanted to slay Cain, know that they would be avenged 7 fold?

After Abel was murdered by Cain, Adam and Eve had Seth when Adam was 130 years old. In the period of 130 years before Able died, Adam and Eve probably had a hundred or so kids, then their kids had kids, and their kids had kids, etc., all the way up to the day Cain killed Abel. Therefore, any of Cain's brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces, grand nephews, grand neices, etc., could have taken revenge on Cain.

 

[Sue D.]

• Gen 4:14b . . anyone who meets me may kill me!

The Bible says that Abel was a prophet and a man of faith, whereas Cain neither.
So it's plausible Cain had trouble believing that his dad was the only human being
on Earth that God created directly from dirt.

• Acts 17:26 . . He made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face
of the Earth

The Greek word translated "nation" is ethnos (eth'-nos) from which we get our
English word "ethnic"

Ethnos is primarily a racial designation rather than a geographic boundary; for
example: Pygmy, Inuit, Caucasian, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Semite, Pacific Islander,
etc.
_

Where does the Bible say that Abel was a prophet? Genesis 4: 2 "Then she bore again, this time his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground." Sorry, but your 'plausible' isn't based on Scripture.

vs 4 "Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat. And the Lord respected Abel and his offering."

vs 3 "And in the process of time it came to pass that Cain brought an offering of the fruit of the ground to the Lord."

Acts 17:26 "And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre -appointed times and the boundaries of their dwelling, vs 27 "So that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; "

Okaaayyyy

 

[B-A-C]

Where does the Bible say that Abel was a prophet?

Luke 11:50; so that the blood of all the prophets, shed since the foundation of the world, may be charged against this generation,
Luke 11:51; from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the house of God; yes, I tell you, it shall be charged against this generation.'

 

[Sue D.]

@B-A-C --

I've been researching this -- apparently Cain was not a righteous man -- Abel was respected by the Lord and his offering. Is it Possible that your Luke passage is referring to Abel as the 1st righteous man through Zechariah who Is a prophet.?!

I'd just never known / heard that Abel was a prophet.

And upon More researching -- about the Luke passage. Usually , in Scripture we read about referrences made about various prophets -- there are none recorded about Abel. So -- the one article says -- as in Luke -- that God said it, so it's true.

So -- apparently Abel was a prophet at some point during the hundreds of years he lived.

 

[Sue D.]

@Beetow -- Your plausibility thing still doesn't 'hold water'. Maybe you're suggesting that because Abel was a prophet at some point that that meant that Cain would have trouble believing / accepting that his Dad was the only man created from dirt? I don't see what the one has to do with the other.

 

[Beetow]

There are Christians unaware that not only Abel; but also Abraham was a prophet.

• Gen 20:7 . . Now return the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for
you and you will live. But if you do not return her, you may be sure that you and all
yours will die.

The Hebrew word isn't limited to predictions, but includes inspired people, i.e.
teachers; for example:

• Gen 18:17-19 . . The Lord said: Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do .
. For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him,
and they shall keep the way of The Lord, to do justice and judgment.

The Greek word for "prophet" in Luke 11:49-51 means pretty much the same thing.

BTW: Adam wasn't a prophet. I know that's true because Jesus began his list
beginning from the foundation of the world. Had Mr. Adam been a prophet, Jesus
would've began with his name rather than Abel's. Same goes for Cain; he wasn't a
prophet either.

I don't see what the one has to do with the other.

Inspired people are able to reason from the scriptures differently (and better) than
rank and file pew warmers; viz: inspired people can see things on the pages of
scripture that are oftentimes invisible to the eyes of uninspired people.
_

 

[JerryfromMass]

There are Christians unaware that not only Abel; but also Abraham was a prophet.

• Gen 20:7 . . Now return the man's wife, for he is a prophet, and he will pray for
you and you will live. But if you do not return her, you may be sure that you and all
yours will die.

The Hebrew word isn't limited to predictions, but includes inspired people, i.e.
teachers; for example:

• Gen 18:17-19 . . The Lord said: Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do .
. For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him,
and they shall keep the way of The Lord, to do justice and judgment.

The Greek word for "prophet" in Luke 11:49-51 means pretty much the same thing.

BTW: Adam wasn't a prophet. I know that's true because Jesus began his list
beginning from the foundation of the world. Had Mr. Adam been a prophet, Jesus
would've began with his name rather than Abel's.


Inspired people are able to reason from the scriptures differently (and better) than
rank and file pew warmers; viz: inspired people can see things on the pages of
scripture that are oftentimes invisible to the eyes of uninspired people.
_

Be careful there, fella. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

Be careful there, fella. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18.

I think you have mis understood.
It is quite possible that the Member you are replying to was simply and humbly trying to explain something that appeared to be needed to be explained.

However, we all do well to remember that verse from Proverbs.


Bless you ....><>