Who / what were the Nephilim?

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Who / what were the Nephilim?


Answer: The Nephilim (fallen ones, giants) were the offspring of sexual relationships between the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4. There is much debate as to the identity of the "sons of God" (see our article on this subject here). It is our contention that the “sons of God” were fallen angels (demons) who mated with human females and/or possessed human males and then mated with human females. These unions resulted in offspring, the Nephilim, that were "heroes of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4).

Why would the demons do such a thing? The Bible does not specifically give us the answer. The demons are evil, twisted beings - so nothing they do should surprise us. As to a distinct motivation, the best speculation is that the demons were attempting to pollute the human blood line in order to prevent the coming of the Messiah - Jesus Christ. God had promised that a Messiah would come from the line of Eve (Genesis 3:15) who would crush the head of the serpent - Satan. So, the demons were possibly attempting to prevent this by polluting the human blood line, making it impossible for a sinless Messiah to one day be born. Again, this is not a specifically Biblical answer, but it is plausible and not in contradiction to anything the Bible teaches.

What were the Nephilim? According to Hebrew and other legends (the Book of Enoch and other non-Biblical writings), they were a race of giants and super-heroes who did acts of great evil. Their great size and power likely came from the mixture of demonic "DNA" with human genetics. All that the Bible directly says about them is that they were "heroes of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4). The Nephilim were not aliens, they were literal, physical beings produced from the union of the sons of God and daughters of men (Genesis 6:1-4).

What happened to the Nephilim? The Nephilim were one of the primary reasons for the great Flood in Noah's time. Immediately after the Nephilim are mentioned, God's Word tells us this: "The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was filled with pain. So the LORD said, 'I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earth — men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the air — for I am grieved that I have made them'" (Genesis 6:5-7). So, God proceeded to flood the entire earth, killing everyone and everything (including the Nephilim) other than Noah and his family and the animals on the ark (Genesis 6:11-22).

Where there Nephilim after the Flood? Genesis 6:4 tells us, "The Nephilim were on the earth in those days — and also afterward." It seems that the demons repeated their sin sometime after the Flood. However, it likely took place to a much lesser extent than it did prior to the Flood. When the Israelites spied out the land of Canaan, they reported back to Moses, "We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them" (Numbers 13:33). This passage does not specifically say that the Nephilim were genuinely there, only that the spies thought they saw the Nephilim. It is more likely that the spies witnessed very large people in Canaan and mistakenly believed them to be the Nephilim. Or, it is possible that after the Flood the demons again mated with human females, producing more Nephilim. Whatever the case, these "giants" were destroyed by the Israelites during their invasion of Canaan (Joshua 11:21-22) and later in their history (Deuteronomy 3:11; 1 Samuel chapter 17).

What prevents the demons from producing more Nephilim today? It seems that God put an end to the demons mating with humans by placing all the demons who committed such an act in the Abyss. Jude verse 6 tells us, "And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home - these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day." Obviously, not all of the demons are in "prison" today, so there must have been a group of demons who committed further grievous sin beyond the original fall. Presumably, the demons who mated with human females are the ones that are "bound with everlasting chains." This would prevent any more demons from attempting such an act.

Question: "Who were the sons of God and daughters of men in Genesis 6:1-4?"

Answer: Genesis 6:1-4 tells us, "When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years." The Nephilim were on the earth in those days -- and also afterward -- when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown." There have been several suggestions as to who the sons of God were, and why the children they had with daughters of men grew into a race of giants (that is what the word Nephilim seems to indicate).

The three primary views on the identity of the "sons of God" are that (1) they were fallen angels, (2) they were powerful human rulers, or (3) they were godly descendants of Seth intermarrying with wicked descendants of Cain. Giving weight to (1) is the fact that in the Old Testament the phrase "sons of God" always refers to angels (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7). A potential problem with (1) is the fact that Matthew 22:30 indicates that angels do not marry. The Bible gives us no reason to believe that angels have a gender or are able to reproduce. Views (2) and (3) do not have this problem.

The weakness of views (2) and (3) is that ordinary human males marrying ordinary human females does not account for why the offspring were "giants" or "heroes of old, men of renown." Further, why would God decide to bring the Flood on the earth (Genesis 6:5-7) when God had never forbidden powerful human males or descendants of Seth to marry ordinary human females or descendants of Cain. The oncoming judgment of Genesis 6:5-7 is linked to what took place in Genesis 6:1-4. Only the obscene, perverse marriage of fallen angels with human females would seem to justify such a harsh judgment.

The weakness of view (1) is that Matthew 22:30 declares, “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.” However, this weakness can be overcome by noting that the text does not say “angels are not able to marry.” Rather, it indicates only that angels do not marry. Secondly, Matthew 22:30 is referring to the “angels in heaven.” It is not referring to fallen angels, who do not care about God’s created order and actively seek ways to disrupt God’s plan. The fact that God’s holy angels do not marry or engage in sexual relations does not mean the same is true of Satan and his demons.

View (1) is the most likely position. Yes, it is an interesting “contradiction” to say that angels are sexless and then to say that the “sons of God” were fallen angels who procreated with human females. However, while angels are spiritual beings (Hebrews 1:14), they can appear in human, physical form (Mark 16:5). The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to have sex with the two angels who were with Lot (Genesis 19:1-5). It is plausible that angels are capable of taking on human form, even to the point of replicating human sexuality – and possibly even reproduction. Why do the fallen angels not do this more often? It seems that God imprisoned the fallen angels who committed this evil sin, so that the other fallen angels would not do the same (as described in Jude 6). Earlier Hebrew interpreters and apocryphal and pseudopigriphal writings are unanimous in holding to the view that fallen angels are the "sons of God" mentioned in Genesis 6:1-4. This by no means closes the debate. However, the view that Genesis 6:1-4 involves fallen angels mating with human females has a strong contextual, grammatical, and historical basis.

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[gotime]

gients

ok this one is interesting but I fail to see why people take the speculative way instead of the dead obvious answer or maybe its just me, anyway, there is no reason whatsoever to connect the sons of God to fallen angels in fact fallen angels are not of GOd neither are fallen man unless they accept Jesus which the fallen angels do not.

second there where two classes of people on the earth in those days eg the cananites and the sethites and sethits followed GOd while the cannanites did not. hence sons of GOd eg sethits who followed GOd were attracted to the daughters of men eg the cananites and GOd always warns about being unequally yoked with unbelievers.

second we are not told that the gients were a result of this union we are simply told that in those days there were gients.

sorry for spelling hope this clears a few things blessings

 

[Jeffo]

Hello.

Ive been maybe spending to much time looking into this subject latey,--but i see the sons of God as being the child God replaced ..Seth.......Just like we become sons through Christ Jesus.
Cain was the fallen one, and was sent out further away from God--he was marked out so others wouldnt kill him.
Seths firstborn was Enosh, and men began to call on the name of the lord.
Would it be wrong of me to suggest that those today, who call upon the name of the lord, are called the sons of God?
You know it to be true that you are called the sons and daughters of the living God.

I dont think Angels, who are fallen, can be called and refered to as the sons of God.

These sons of God deteriorated, until Noah and his sons were the only ones left righteous, in their generations.

The same thing is happening after the flood, when Isaac is not to take a wife from the canaanites---cursed like cain..the daughters of men.
These Nephilim existed also after the flood, and they inhabited the land Israel.
The greatest Nephilim was called Arba, ruler of ancient Hebron, and Father of the Annakim. The sons of God destroyed them, being Joshua and Caleb etc. out of the land, where they only existed in Gaza.....region of Goliath.



NUM 13
"There also we saw the Nephilim (the sons of Anak are part of the Nephilim); and we became like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight."

The father of Anak is Arba

JOSH 14
So Joshua blessed him and gave Hebron to Caleb the son of Jephunneh for an inheritance.
Therefore, Hebron became the inheritance of Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenizzite until this day, because he followed the LORD God of Israel fully.
Now the name of Hebron was formerly Kiriath-arba; for Arba was the greatest man among the Anakim. Then the land had rest from war.

 

[Deep_MindQuest]

As the record clearly indicates, the offspring of the unions between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" were progeny of the most grotesque sort, being "giants in the earth," the same being "mighty men which were of old, men of renown," monsters not only in size but also monsters in wickedness, and they always, without exception, were disposed to thwart the purposes of God (Genesis 6: 1, 2, 4). In the minds of many readers, the first reaction to this passage is such that, in spite of its obvious and clear intent, its incredulity begs for an alternate interpretation. The standard interpretation of the liberals is to think of the fairy tales of antiquity, the legends of ogres and dragons, and the myths of the gods consorting with men - and then to dismiss the entire story as legend and superstition, but a careful examination of the passage will elicit a far deeper meaning.

Often the biases and presuppositions we bring into a matter prevent our understanding and acceptance of its face value and patient meaning. Modern Christians have often attempted to make this passage in Genesis more palatable intellectually by explaining the "sons of God" as Sethites and the "daughters of men" as Cainites, with their union representing the breaking down of the wall of separation between believers and unbelievers. Another interpretation which avoids the supernaturalistic implications is that the phrase "sons of God" referred to kings and nobles, in which case the commingling so described is merely an account of royalty marrying commoners.

The first matter of understanding regarding this amazing portion of Scripture beyond its plain contextual intent turns quite obviously to the Hebrew meaning of the phrase "sons of God" (bene elohim). In the New Testament, of course, this term is used with reference to all who have been born again through personal faith in Jesus Christ (John 1:12; Romans 8:14; etc.), and the concept of a spiritual relationship of believers to God as analogous to that of children to a father is also found in the Old Testament (Psalm 73:15; Hosea 1:10; Deuteronomy 32:5; Exodus 4:22; Isaiah 43:6). However, none of these examples use the same phrase as Genesis 6:2, 4; furthermore, in each case the meaning is not really parallel to the meaning given in Genesis. Neither the descendants of Seth nor true believers of any sort have been previously referred to in Genesis as sons of God in any kind of spiritual sense and, except for Adam himself, they could not have been sons of God in a physical sense. In context, such a meaning would be strained, to say the least, in the absence of any kind of explanation. When we are told that "men" began to multiply on the face of the earth, and that the sons of God saw the daughters of "men," in each case the human race is clearly signified, in other words the descendants of Cain and Seth alike. Hence the "sons of God" are plainly distinguished from the generations of Adam. The only obvious and natural meaning without such clarification is that these beings were sons of God, rather than of men, because they have been created, not born. Such a description, of course, would apply only to Adam (Luke 3:38) and to the angels, whom god had directly created (Psalm 148:2, 5: Psalm 104:4; Colossians 1:16).

The actual expression "sons of God," bene elohim, occurs explicitly three other times, all in the very ancient book of Job (Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7), and in each case the term refers indisputably to angelic beings. These are the beings whom, apparently, were created sometime during the first half of the creation week, probably on the first day (Genesis 2:1; Job 38:4-7; Luke 2:13). Twice in the beginning of the book of Job we read of the sons of God presenting themselves before Him at stated times, and Satan also comes with them as being himself a son of God, though a disobedient, fallen, and rebellious one. In Job 38:7 the morning stars are represented as singing together, and the sons of God as shouting for joy, over the creation of our earth. There are, as well, implicit references to these sons of God in a number of other passages. There is no doubt that, in these passages, the meaning also applies exclusively to the angels. A very similar form bar elohim is used in Daniel 3:25, and refers either to an angel or to a theophany. The term "sons of the mighty" (bene elim) is used in Psalm 29:1 and also Psalm 89:6, and again refers to angels. The sons of Elohim the mighty Creator are confined to those creatures made directly by the Divine hand, and not born of other beings of their own order. Hence, in Luke's genealogy of our Lord, Adam is called a son of God (Luke 3:38), and, so also Christ is said to give to them that receive Him power to become the sons of God (John 1:12). For these are born again of the Spirit of God as to their inner man even in the present life. This is only possible with man since he is delivered from the penalty of death and brought into newness of life through a substitutionary atonement, unlike the angels which, on the other hand, have been fixed in their position as angels of grace, or damnation, the latter hopelessly lost in their state of perdition. At the resurrection those of mankind who are redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, who is Christ, will in their glorified physical bodies, be clothed with a spiritual body, a building of God (II Corinthians 5:1); so that they will then be in every respect equal to the angels, being altogether a new creation (Luke 20:36). Thus, all reasonable doubt insofar as the context, language, and plain exegesis of Genesis 6:1-4 is concerned, is removed regarding the intent of the writer to convey the concept of angels, fallen angels no doubt, acting in opposition to God's will. This also was the meaning placed on the passage by the Greek translators of the Septuagint, by Josephus, by the writer of the ancient apocryphal book of Enoch, and by all the other ancient Jewish interpreters and the earliest Christian writers. It is apparent that the first Christian writers to depart from this understanding and suggest the Sethite interpretation were Chrysostom and Augustine. Even an appeal to some of the later "fathers," who abandoned the orthodox view of Genesis 6:1-4 because it is "refuted by its own absurdity" must themselves then answer their own patient frivolity of contending that the "giants" were merely individuals of the same race who were "slightly larger and stronger, and more evil," than the rest of the people. By the same token they must also answer why the world at Noah's time was "divided" into Sethites and Cainites, which in reality we know it was not. Furthermore, those who would interject the Christian Church into the Old Testament economy to justify the "sons of God" as being simply believers, thus mortal men, distracts the issue from one of a direct Biblical exegesis to other grounds which are much the obscure, if not outright fallacious. These men, in spite of their greatness in doctrine and theory, were still humanly fallible and capable of missing important elements of Biblical truth in their doctrines. In our own time this opposing view has been widely propagated by C. I. Scofield in the notes of his famous reference Bible. To apply the term "sons of God" as such to mere men is to stretch the matter beyond a reasonable limit, for it can only refer to those sons of God involved in a second and deeper apostasy of those fallen ones from on high.

 

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[Rev T.S.Perkins]

really good post for info ..ive heard it taught that Goliath was one of the giants refered to ..dont know how true it is ..but i did enjoy this reading thank you ....Rev

 

[lawrenceb]

ive heard it taught that Goliath was one of the giants refered to ..dont know how true it is ...

If the Nephilim actually existed both in pre-Noah times as well as during the civilizations created by Noah's family's offspring after the flood, why are there not fossils, graves, artifacts and other evidence that they existed?

In fact, all of these are present! It's just that modern scientists, historians, and theologians like to ignore them, hide the evidence or keep the information under wraps. Why? Because the evidence is far from comfortable and doesn't fit nicely with the idea that man is evolving, changing without influence from outside powers and that the Bible is irrelevant to modern societies.

Furthermore, their existence must be covered up in order to lay the groundwork for Satan's final assault against humanity.

In truth, history is rife with accounts of Nephilim. It's just that today's revisionist historians have done their best to keep this fact hidden from the public. People in the past centuries were well aware of such creatures; today's students are never exposed to all accounts of these creatures.

In addition to biblical accounts, most explorers and fighters who kept journals mentioned encounters with such monsters. The Romans wrote of 17-feet tall Celtic giants which the legions fought; likewise, early explorers, including Amerigo Vespucci, Sir Francis Drake, Coronado, De Soto, Narvaez and others, all talk about giants they encountered on their journeys. These are all documented, eyewitness sightings - which historians currently do their best to hide from the public. (Charles DeLoach, Giants: A Reference Guide from History, the Bible, and Recorded Legend, Scarecrow Press, Meuchen, NJ, 1995, p. x.) Pedro de Castaeda, who accompanied Coronado, wrote of the Cocopa Indian tribe that they were giants who could carry logs that six of the Spaniards couldn't budge. (Giants, p. 68.)

Archeologists often discover these large bones in graves. But these are usually dismissed as being bones of mastodons - a premise that's hard to justify given the fact that the creatures are often buried in human graves wearing battle armor along with a shield and massive sword. (Giants, p. x.) Furthermore, it appears that efforts have been made in the US to hide these bones (though I have no way of proving this); giants' bones found in the US during the 1800's have almost all disappeared through suspicious fires or other mysterious occurrences.

A few of the many artifacts that were created by much larger-than-normal men are still to be seen today. These are found around the world in ancient sites inhabited by American Indians as well as throughout Europe, suggesting that the Nephilim either voyaged across the ocean or "invaded" cultures worldwide as the offspring of angel/human female couplings.

Among the documented discoveries of the last two centuries are:

- Large bones in stone graves in Williamson County and White County, Tennessee. Discovered in the early 1800's, the average stature of these giants was seven feet tall. (John Haywood, The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee, McCowat-Mercer, Jackson, TN, 1959.)

- Giant skeletons found in the mid-1800's in New York state near Rutland and Rodman. (Cyrus Godron, Before Columbus, Crown Publishers, NY, 1971.)

- In 1833, soldiers digging at Lompock Rancho, California, discovered a male skeleton 12 feet tall. The skeleton was surrounded by carved shells, stone axes, other artifacts. The skeleton had double rows of upper and lower teeth. Unfortunately, this body was secretly buried because the local Indians became upset about the remains. (David Hatcher Childress, Lost Cities of North America, Adventures Unlimited Press, Stelle, IL. 1992 p. 509.)

- A giant skull and vertebrae found in Wisconsin and Kansas City. (Before Columbus)

- A giant found off the California coast on Santa Rosa Island in the 1800's was distinguished by its double rows of teeth. (Lost Cities)

- A nine-foot, eight-inch skeleton excavated from a mount near Brewersville, Indiana, in 1879. (Indianapolis News, November 10, 1975.)

- Skeletons of "enormous dimensions" were found in mounds near Zanesville, Ohio, and Warren, Minnesota, in the 1880's. (Before Columbus)

- In Clearwater, Minnesota, the skeletons of seven giants were found in mounds. These had receding foreheads and complete double dentition. (Lost Cities)

- At LeCrescent, Wisconsin, mounds were found to contain giant bones. Five miles north near Dresbach, the bones of people over eight feet tall were found. (Lost Cities)

- In 1888, seven skeletons ranging from seven to eight feet tall were discovered. (St. Paul Pioneer Press, June 29, 1888.)

- Near Toledo, Ohio, 20 skeletons were discovered with jaws and teeth "twice as large as those of present day people." The account also noted that odd hieroglyphics were found with the bodies. (Chicago Record, October 24, 1895.)

- Miners in Lovelock Cave, California, discovered a very tall, red-haired mummy in 1911. Humboldt Star, May 13, 1928.) This mummy eventually went to a fraternal lodge where it is used for "initiation purposes." (Lost Cities)

- In 1931, skeletons from eight and a half to ten feet long were found in the Humboldt lake bed in California. (Lost Cities)

- In 1932, Ellis Wright found human tracks in the gypsum rock at White Sands, New Mexico. His discovery was later backed up by Fred Arthur, Supervisor of the Lincoln National Park and others who reported that each footprint was 22 inches long and from 8 to 10 inches wide. They were certain the prints were human in origin due to the outline of the perfect prints coupled with a readily apparent instep. (Lost Cities)

- During World War II, author Ivan T. Sanderson tells of how his crew was bulldozing through sedimentary rock when it stumbled upon what appeared to be a graveyard. In it were crania that measured from 22 to 24 inches from base to crown - nearly three times as large as an adult human skull. Had the creatures to whom these skulls belonged been properly proportioned, they undoubtedly would have been at least 12 feet tall - or taller. (Lost Cities)

- In 1947 a local newspaper reported the discovery of nine-foot-tall skeletons by amateur archeologists working in Death Valley. (The Hot Citizen, "Expedition Reports Nine-Foot Skeletons," August 5, 1947.) The archeologists involved also claimed to have found what appeared to be the bones of tigers and dinosaurs with the human remains. (The Hot Citizen)

- The Catalina Islands, off California, are the home of dwarf mammoth bones that were once roasted in ancient fire pits. These were roasted and eaten by human-like creatures who were giants with double rows of teeth. (Lost Cities)

After seeing the large number of such accounts in the US, one can only conclude that sometime in the distant past, the Nephilim walked in the New World long before the Europeans made their journey here. It may be that the giants were even in the New World to greet the Asians who would later become misnamed by Columbus as "Indians." In addition to their size, these giants often had double rows of teeth - a physical trait that can be linked to the Nephilim who were related to Goliath.

Modern science has chosen, for the most part, to ignore these creatures. They don't fit in with the nice scheme of things. Often carbon dating of these remains shows them to be "too old" to fit into the theory of evolution. At the same time, the fossils do show that some of what non-believers would like to ignore in the Bible are most likely true.

Scientists of the 1800's readily accepted the idea of giants and most accepted the idea that the Bible accounts of events were true. It has only been during the 20th century that such ideas have been made an object of derision. And to preserve the illusion, artifacts discovered with the remains of giants are quietly filed away and removed from public view. To do otherwise would quickly expose the fact that modern scientists are sometimes less than truthful.

 

[B-A-C]

Interesting subject, the Bible talks quite a bit about giants. Here are a few more verses.
Most Bible scholars consider a cubit to be somewhere between 18 and 22 inches.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deu 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
Jos 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Hmmmm.. even Moses fought against giants?

Jos 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
Jos 18:16 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
1Sa 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

If present day estimates of a cubit are correct, Goliath would have been somewhere between 9'6" and 10'2".

1Sa 17:23 And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them.
1Sa 21:9 And the priest said, The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah, behold, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod: if thou wilt take that, take it: for there is no other save that here. And David said, There is none like that; give it me.
1Sa 22:10 And he enquired of the LORD for him, and gave him victuals, and gave him the sword of Goliath the Philistine.

Of course David fought against giants also.
Joshua fought against giants, in fact some say that many of the "ites" (Cananites, Ammonites, Perrozites, Gittites, etc...) were actually giants.
One theory is that Satan put them in the area of present day Israel (the promised land) to keep the Israelites from inheriting the land promised to
Abraham's descendents. So God wasn't really sending the Israelites in the just go around wiping out people, but actually ridding the earth of giants.

2Sa 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
1Ch 20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.
Num 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)
Num 13:28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deu 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!
Jos 15:13 And unto Caleb the son of Jephunneh he gave a part among the children of Judah, according to the commandment of the LORD to Joshua, even the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron.
Jos 15:14 And Caleb drove thence the three sons of Anak, Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak.
Jos 21:11 And they gave them the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron, in the hill country of Judah, with the suburbs thereof round about it.
Jdg 1:20 And they gave Hebron unto Caleb, as Moses said: and he expelled thence the three sons of Anak.
Deu 1:28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.
Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deu 2:21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
Deu 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!
Jos 11:21 And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities.
Jos 11:22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained.

You have to wonder, why did the giants inhabit Israel?

Jos 14:12 Now therefore give me this mountain, whereof the LORD spake in that day; for thou heardest in that day how the Anakims were there, and that the cities were great and fenced: if so be the LORD will be with me, then I shall be able to drive them out, as the LORD said.
Jos 14:15 And the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba; which Arba was a great man among the Anakims. And the land had rest from war.
2Sa 21:16 And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.

A shekel (according to wikipedia) is somewhere between 11 and 17 grams, or about 3.5 to 4.2 ounces. Ths could have been 85 pounds, a good weight for a weapon usually used with one arm.

2Sa 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
2Sa 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
1Ch 20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
1Ch 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.
1Ch 20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
Job 16:14 He breaketh me with breach upon breach, he runneth upon me like a giant.

Here is a section from the book of Enoch, now of course Enoch isn't included in the cannon, so it isn't in the Bible, but before we discount it entirely,
Note how similar these verses are to Genesis 6:2 above,

Enoch Chapter 6

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not
4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves
6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn
7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal,
8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

Chapter 7

1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms
2and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they
3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed
4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against
5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Also, the book of Enoch is quoted in Jude.

Enoch 1:9
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:

Jud 1:14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones,

Some think it was this sin when the angels had sexual relations with humans that 2 peter is taking about.

2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

The opinions expressed above, are not necessarily mine, but it makes for a good discussion.

 

[Bendito]

Interesting subject, the Bible talks quite a bit about giants. Here are a few more verses.
Most Bible scholars consider a cubit to be somewhere between 18 and 22 inches.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deu 2:20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deu 3:11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deu 3:13 And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
Jos 12:4 And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
Jos 13:12 All the kingdom of Og in Bashan, which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei, who remained of the remnant of the giants: for these did Moses smite, and cast them out.

Hmmmm.. even Moses fought against giants?

Jos 15:8 And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Jos 17:15 And Joshua answered them, If thou be a great people, then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants, if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
Jos 18:16 And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom, and which is in the valley of the giants on the north, and descended to the valley of Hinnom, to the side of Jebusi on the south, and descended to Enrogel,
1Sa 17:4 And there went out a champion out of the camp of the Philistines, named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span.

If present day estimates of a cubit are correct, Goliath would have been somewhere between 9'6" and 10'2".

1Sa 17:23 And as he talked with them, behold, there came up the champion, the Philistine of Gath, Goliath by name, out of the armies of the Philistines, and spake according to the same words: and David heard them.
1Sa 21:9 And the priest said, The sword of Goliath the Philistine, whom thou slewest in the valley of Elah, behold, it is here wrapped in a cloth behind the ephod: if thou wilt take that, take it: for there is no other save that here. And David said, There is none like that; give it me.
1Sa 22:10 And he enquired of the LORD for him, and gave him victuals, and gave him the sword of Goliath the Philistine.

Of course David fought against giants also.
Joshua fought against giants, in fact some say that many of the "ites" (Cananites, Ammonites, Perrozites, Gittites, etc...) were actually giants.
One theory is that Satan put them in the area of present day Israel (the promised land) to keep the Israelites from inheriting the land promised to
Abraham's descendents. So God wasn't really sending the Israelites in the just go around wiping out people, but actually ridding the earth of giants.

2Sa 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
1Ch 20:5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam.
Num 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, were. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)
Num 13:28 Nevertheless the people be strong that dwell in the land, and the cities are walled, and very great: and moreover we saw the children of Anak there.
Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deu 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!
Jos 15:13 And unto Caleb the son of Jephunneh he gave a part among the children of Judah, according to the commandment of the LORD to Joshua, even the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron.
Jos 15:14 And Caleb drove thence the three sons of Anak, Sheshai, and Ahiman, and Talmai, the children of Anak.
Jos 21:11 And they gave them the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron, in the hill country of Judah, with the suburbs thereof round about it.
Jdg 1:20 And they gave Hebron unto Caleb, as Moses said: and he expelled thence the three sons of Anak.
Deu 1:28 Whither shall we go up? our brethren have discouraged our heart, saying, The people is greater and taller than we; the cities are great and walled up to heaven; and moreover we have seen the sons of the Anakims there.
Deu 2:10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims;
Deu 2:11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deu 2:21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead:
Deu 9:2 A people great and tall, the children of the Anakims, whom thou knowest, and of whom thou hast heard say, Who can stand before the children of Anak!
Jos 11:21 And at that time came Joshua, and cut off the Anakims from the mountains, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, and from all the mountains of Judah, and from all the mountains of Israel: Joshua destroyed them utterly with their cities.
Jos 11:22 There was none of the Anakims left in the land of the children of Israel: only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, there remained.

You have to wonder, why did the giants inhabit Israel?

Jos 14:12 Now therefore give me this mountain, whereof the LORD spake in that day; for thou heardest in that day how the Anakims were there, and that the cities were great and fenced: if so be the LORD will be with me, then I shall be able to drive them out, as the LORD said.
Jos 14:15 And the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba; which Arba was a great man among the Anakims. And the land had rest from war.
2Sa 21:16 And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.

A shekel (according to wikipedia) is somewhere between 11 and 17 grams, or about 3.5 to 4.2 ounces. Ths could have been 85 pounds, a good weight for a weapon usually used with one arm.

2Sa 21:18 And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
2Sa 21:20 And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2Sa 21:22 These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
1Ch 20:4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued.
1Ch 20:6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant.
1Ch 20:8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
Job 16:14 He breaketh me with breach upon breach, he runneth upon me like a giant.

Here is a section from the book of Enoch, now of course Enoch isn't included in the cannon, so it isn't in the Bible, but before we discount it entirely,
Note how similar these verses are to Genesis 6:2 above,

Enoch Chapter 6

1 And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
2 And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: 'Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
3 and beget us children.' And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: 'I fear ye will not
4 indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin.' And they all answered him and said: 'Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations
5 not to abandon this plan but to do this thing.' Then sware they all together and bound themselves
6 by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn
7 and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And these are the names of their leaders: Samlazaz, their leader, Araklba, Rameel, Kokablel, Tamlel, Ramlel, Danel, Ezeqeel, Baraqijal,
8 Asael, Armaros, Batarel, Ananel, Zaq1el, Samsapeel, Satarel, Turel, Jomjael, Sariel. These are their chiefs of tens.

Chapter 7

1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms
2and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they
3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed
4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against
5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and
6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.

Also, the book of Enoch is quoted in Jude.

Enoch 1:9
9 And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy all the ungodly:

Jud 1:14 It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones,

Some think it was this sin when the angels had sexual relations with humans that 2 peter is taking about.

2Pe 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;

The opinions expressed above, are not necessarily mine, but it makes for a good discussion.

The Nephilim still exist. They were and still are Satan's attempt to remake man in his image. Satan has been into genetic engineering since the beginning. You see giants, you see centaurs, satyrs, leprechauns, you see creatures with a mans head and a lions body (oh hey! the Sphinx?) mermaids and all sorts of other creatures. Chimera running around on the Earth. Today you see chupacabra, you see Sasquatch, Loch Nes monster, ogopogo and several others loping around the planet.. Remember ... every myth is based on fact. Satan is still working on remaking man in his own image.

The North American indians recount tales of races of giants living in America, they were cannibalistic peoples standing anywhere from eight feet to thirty six feet high. Eventually the Indians living in the Sedona Az area managed to kill many of them in caves where many giant skeletons are still found today.
The bible talks of many such creatures, giants and chimera. Check it.

Isaiah 13:21 KJV
Unicorn...Job 39:9-12 KJV

Flying fiery serpent AMARUCA (for whom America was named) Isaiah 30:6

The Locusts in Rev: 9

I'll bet you can find more

 

[Bendito]

The Nephilim still exist. They were and still are Satan's attempt to remake man in his image. Satan has been into genetic engineering since the beginning. You see giants, you see centaurs, satyrs, leprechauns, you see creatures with a mans head and a lions body (oh hey! the Sphinx?) mermaids and all sorts of other creatures. Chimera running around on the Earth. Today you see chupacabra, you see Sasquatch, Loch Nes monster, ogopogo and several others loping around the planet.. Remember ... every myth is based on fact. Satan is still working on remaking man in his own image.

The North American indians recount tales of races of giants living in America, they were cannibalistic peoples standing anywhere from eight feet to thirty six feet high. Eventually the Indians living in the Sedona Az area managed to kill many of them in caves where many giant skeletons are still found today.
The bible talks of many such creatures, giants and chimera. Check it.

Isaiah 13:21 KJV
Unicorn...Job 39:9-12 KJV

Flying fiery serpent AMARUCA (for whom America was named) Isaiah 30:6

The Locusts in Rev: 9

I'll bet you can find more

There Were Giants..Who Were the Sons of God?


There were giants [Nephilim] in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. Genesis 6:1-4
There have been three theories proposed to explain this Scripture. First, the sons are the tyrant rulers of that day and the daughters are just whomever they chose. Second, the sons are the godly line of Seth (Sethites) and the women were the worldly women of the lineage of Cain (Cainites). Third, the sons were angels and the daughters were human women. In this chapter we will look at the possibilities of each theory.
Tyrant Rulers
The theory that godly rulers turned into tyrants was proposed by those who took their information only from the Ancient Book of Jasher. Jasher never mentions who these sons of God were, but did say: And their judges and rulers went to the daughters of men and took their wives by force from their husbands according to their choice, and the sons of men, in those days, took from the cattle of the earth the beasts of the field, and the fowls of the air, and taught the mixture of the animals of one species with another… Jasher 4.18
This is nearly identical with Genesis 6:1-4, but notice that these “rulers” also started experimenting with crossbreeding animals. Where did they get this idea and how did they
successfully accomplish this? There is more to the story than to say these “rulers” were just some tyrants.
Sethites and CainitesThe second theory is the most popular one today. The Cainites
were the first to become corrupt and warlike. The posterity of Seth stayed godly long after the Cainites formed, but eventually they also corrupted themselves. Jewish historian Josephus mentioned the fall of the Cainites who became masters of war. Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceeding wicked, every one successively dying, one after another, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war... Josephus 1.2.2Josephus also mentioned the fall of the Sethites.
Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to
have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations; but in process of time they were
perverted, and forsook the practices of their forefathers; and did neither pay those honors to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shown for virtue, they now showed by their actions a double degree of wickedness, whereby they made God to be their enemy. Josephus 2.3.1
This presents a few problems: It is unlikely that a godly peaceful group suddenly turning evil could conquer a race of master warriors, unless you reverse the text and say that the master warriors (Cainites) took over the Sethites and stole their daughters. But the text does not say the sons of men took the daughters of God. And why is it only ungodly men
taking godly women? Why did no ungodly woman marry a godly man and produce a giant? We are told the children of these matches were giants, but inbreedingcauses genetic anomalies, but marrying outside of your tribe does not.
Angels and Humans
The third theory has been the standard interpretation for centuries. All the ancient rabbis and all the ancient church fathers up to about AD 300 taught the sons of God were angels and the daughters were human women. After AD 200, a movement began to grow denying the sons were angels but rather were Sethites. In addition to recording the history
of the Sethites and Cainites, Josephus also recorded the history of the sons of God of Genesis 6. For many angels of God accompanied with women, and begot sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good, on account of the confidence they had in their own strength; for the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call giants or Titans. Josephus Ant. 1.3.1
Later Josephus mentioned the biblical Amorite giants around Hebron. In Hebron there were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and countenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the
hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day. Josephus Ant. 5.2.3
Ancient church fathers who taught the sons of God were angels included: Athinogorius, Clement of Alexandria, Titian, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Myetus of Philippi, Philix, Ambrose of Milan, and Origen. Church fathers who taught the sons of God were Sethites included:
Theodoran, Jerome, Julius Africanus, Chrysostom, John Calvin, and Martin Luther.
If we look carefully at the New Testament we see that Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch (Jude 1:6), which gives an almost complete story of the descent of the two hundred sons of God. Notice that Jude states that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they committed the same sin as the angels, going after “strange flesh.” And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:6-7
Those sons of God who went after strange flesh are chained under darkness, according to Jude. Peter says they are imprisoned in hell (KJV). In the Greek, the word for
hell is Tartarus, also referred to as the bottomless pit in Revelation. Peter says their fall occurred before the Flood. For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto
judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of
righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an
ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-6
Scripture refers to angels as “sons of God” and “stars” in Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7; Deuteronomy 4:19; Isaiah 14:13; Revelation 12:4; 12:9; Genesis 22:17.
Christians are referred to as adopted sons of God in Hosea 1:10; John 1:12; Romans 8:14, 19; Philippians 2:15; and 1 John 3:1-2.
Conclusion
The consistent teaching of the ancient rabbis and ancient church fathers has always been the sons of God were angels. Genetic problems come from inbreeding, not outbreeding. A pacifist group does not suddenly make their own weapons and take over a group of seasoned warriors. When we take these facts and add to them the fact that Enoch has accurate prophecy fulfilled in our lifetime, the conclusion must be that the sons of God were fallen angels.

I took this from the Book of Enoch. (a history book)

 

[Brad Huber]

We (humanity) are children of God despite our wayward behavior. Why could not fallen angels be sons of God? The book of Enoch was found amoung the dead sea scrolls in addition to books of the old testament, and also the book of giants. Now the Nephilim I believe to be children of fallen angels and woman, and those children died in battle with each other or in the great flood, never the less, no place was made specifically for their spirits after the death of the body, so they became evil spirits roaming the earth, who are angry at God and man.

 

[Bendito]

We (humanity) are children of God despite our wayward behavior. Why could not fallen angels be sons of God? The book of Enoch was found among the dead sea scrolls in addition to books of the old testament, and also the book of giants. Now the Nephilim I believe to be children of fallen angels and woman, and those children died in battle with each other or in the great flood, never the less, no place was made specifically for their spirits after the death of the body, so they became evil spirits roaming the earth, who are angry at God and man.

If you search through the bible you will see that the words 'sons of God' refer to angels...means 'directly created by God. We are not directly created by God. We are sons of Adam.. But whoa whoa! As born again Christians we died.. We were born again...God created in us a brand new creation.....NOW we are sons of God.....We are now a direct creation of God.
You're absolutely right on what they are. You are also correct on what happens to their spirits when they die... Notice I didn't use the word 'died'? Ya They're still around..

 

[Bendito]

If you search through the bible you will see that the words 'sons of God' refer to angels...means 'directly created by God. We are not directly created by God. We are sons of Adam.. But whoa whoa! As born again Christians we died.. We were born again...God created in us a brand new creation.....NOW we are sons of God.....We are now a direct creation of God.
You're absolutely right on what they are. You are also correct on what happens to their spirits when they die... Notice I didn't use the word 'died'? Ya They're still around..

For those who don't know about the Book of Enoch....Here's the introduction

Introduction to the Book of Enoch
Enoch was the seventh generation from Adam, the first man God created (Genesis 5:1-24). From Scripture we know Enoch lived for 365 years and then was translated or raptured without dying, and that even though he was a sinner like every other human being, he pleased God with his lifestyle.
And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah: and Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: and all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: and Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. Genesis 5:21-24
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:5-6
Enoch named his firstborn son Methuselah (Genesis 5:22). The name Methuselah is made up of two Hebrew words; “meth” meaning “death” and “selah” meaning “to
send.” The way Genesis 5:22 puts these two words together is unique. The spelling suggests the name can be translated as a Hebrew sentence meaning “when he is dead, it will be sent.” If we add the years from creation to the birth of Methuselah as
found in Genesis 5, and then add his age at death, we find he died the very same year the Flood came. If we look in the ancient book of Jasher 5:36, we see Methuselah died exactly one week before the Flood occurred. This is the same day Noah entered the Ark! (Genesis 7:1-4). The timing clearly shows Enoch knew of the prophecy of God’s judgment of the world and, apparently, God gave Enoch a
prophecy that the day his son died would be the end of the world as he a knew it! This would, indeed, keep Enoch centered on both his son and the teachings of God throughout his whole life, walking very closely with God. Theologian John Gill (AD 1697- 1771) wrote about the Book of Enoch saying: “Enoch, the seventh from
Adam, delivered out the prophecy referred to by the apostle Jude, (verses 14, 15)
… the Jews make mention of a writing of his in their ancient book of Zohar; and in the Targum of Jonathan on Genesis 5:24, he is called the great scribe; and several of the Christian fathers speak of his book as authentic, as Tertullian and others; and the Arabic writers [Flavius Josephus] tell us of pyramids and pillars erected by him, on which he engraved the arts and the instruments of them; and some writers ascribe the invention of letters and writing of books to him” A Dissertation Concerning the Antiquity of the Hebrew Language, Letters, Vowel Points, and Accents, by John Gill, D.D., ch. 2, pg. 36
The Book of Enoch, 2800-200 BC
If the legends are to be believed, Enoch passed his book and other books to Noah, who preserved them in the Ark. Noah then passed Enoch’s book on to Shem, who
preserved it in the city of Salem. Eventually it was passed down to the Israeli tribe of Levi for safe keeping. Somewhere along the line a new Hebrew translation renamed some of the place names of the cities, rivers, and lands. This was most likely done around the time of Solomon. It was then preserved up to the time the Essenes buried it, along with other ancient texts, to be found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.
The Ancient Church on Enoch, AD 32-70
The Book of Enoch is quoted by church fathers and rabbis alike, all the way back to the first century. By the year AD 700 it was forgotten by the church as a whole. Here are a few quotes from the ancient church fathers that let us know that the Ethiopic version of Enoch (called 1 Enoch) was considered the real Book of Enoch and that it contained real prophecy. It was not, however, to be added to the canon of
Scripture, but was considered recommend reading by Scripture much like the Ancient Book of Jasher. What we know today as 2 Enoch and 3 Enoch were never
considered real by either the church or the ancient rabbis. Origen, Of First Principles 4.1.35, quotes Enoch 41 and 17. Origen, Against Celsus 5.48,54, shows that Celsus’ quote of Enoch’s prophecy of seventy angels is from 2 Enoch. Origen corrects him by stating that the books of Enoch he was using (2 and 3 Enoch) are not received by Jews or Christians. Irenaeus, Against Heresies 4.16, summarized the story of Enoch 6-16. Tertullian, On Idolatry 4, said Enoch taught that the demons and spirits of the apostate angels turned everything pure into idolatry. Anatolius 5 says the Book of Enoch clearly shows the Hebrew New Year begins about the time of the equinox. Testament of Levi 10 teaches that the Book of Enoch says the Jews will be scattered among the heathen and the temple will be at Jerusalem. Theodotus 2 quotes Enoch as saying “I have seen all sorts of matter.”
Tertullian, Apparel of Women 1.2, summarized the errors taught by the fallen angels in Enoch 6-16. Tertullian, Apparel of Women 1.3, says the Book of Enoch is genuine. The Book of Enoch was not received by some Christians because it was not part of the Jewish canon. The Jews [Pharisees] rejected it, like some portions of Scripture, because it testified of Christ. Its quotation from the epistle of Jude proves it is to be considered genuine prophecy. Tertullian, Treatise on the Soul 50, says Enoch and Elijah will return to earth (his interpretation of Enoch 90:31). Tertullian, Idolatry 1.4, 15, quotes the Book of Enoch.

 

[Brad Huber]

The Ancient Church on Enoch, AD 32-70
The Book of Enoch is quoted by church fathers and rabbis alike, all the way back to the first century. By the year AD 700 it was forgotten by the church as a whole. Here are a few quotes from the ancient church fathers that let us know that the Ethiopic version of Enoch (called 1 Enoch) was considered the real Book of Enoch and that it contained real prophecy. It was not, however, to be added to the canon of
Scripture, but was considered recommend reading by Scripture much like the Ancient Book of Jasher. What we know today as 2 Enoch and 3 Enoch were never
considered real by either the church or the ancient rabbis. Origen, Of First Principles 4.1.35, quotes Enoch 41 and 17. Origen, Against Celsus 5.48,54, shows that Celsus’ quote of Enoch’s prophecy of seventy angels is from 2 Enoch. Origen corrects him by stating that the books of Enoch he was using (2 and 3 Enoch) are not received by Jews or Christians. Irenaeus, Against Heresies 4.16, summarized the story of Enoch 6-16. Tertullian, On Idolatry 4, said Enoch taught that the demons and spirits of the apostate angels turned everything pure into idolatry. Anatolius 5 says the Book of Enoch clearly shows the Hebrew New Year begins about the time of the equinox. Testament of Levi 10 teaches that the Book of Enoch says the Jews will be scattered among the heathen and the temple will be at Jerusalem. Theodotus 2 quotes Enoch as saying “I have seen all sorts of matter.”
Tertullian, Apparel of Women 1.2, summarized the errors taught by the fallen angels in Enoch 6-16. Tertullian, Apparel of Women 1.3, says the Book of Enoch is genuine. The Book of Enoch was not received by some Christians because it was not part of the Jewish canon. The Jews [Pharisees] rejected it, like some portions of Scripture, because it testified of Christ. Its quotation from the epistle of Jude proves it is to be considered genuine prophecy. Tertullian, Treatise on the Soul 50, says Enoch and Elijah will return to earth (his interpretation of Enoch 90:31). Tertullian, Idolatry 1.4, 15, quotes the Book of Enoch.

Most of the christian and jewish faith do not believe the Book of Enoch to be inspired. They will often say its because of the text given about angels, and the fear that humans might worship them if they know more of them. That is a half truth. Although they fear that some, here is what they truly disagree with....

The church:
Enoch 90:17 And I saw that man, who wrote the book, according to the command of the Lord, till he opened that book concerning the destruction which those TWELVE LAST SHEPHERDS had wrought, and showed that they had destroyed much more than their predecessors, before the Lord of the sheep.

(Their predecessors being the ruling Sanhedrin, the 70 chosen spiritual rulers of Israel) .

The jews:
Enoch 89:59-60 And He called SEVENTY SHEPHERDS and cast those sheep to them that they might pasture them, and He spake to the shepherds and their companions: Let each individual of you pasture the sheep henceforward and everything that I command you that you do. 60 And I will deliver them over unto you duly numbered and tell you which of them are to be destroyed and them destroy. And He gave over unto them those sheep.
Enoch 90:25 And those seventy shepherds were judged and found guilty and cast into this fiery abyss.

Those seventy shepherds did many evil things written between Enoch 89:59 and 90:25.

The listed verses come from the Robert Henry Charles translation from the Ge'ez, the most extensive witnesses to the Book of Enoch exist in the Ge'ez language from the african church, and these people only approve the translation made by Charles.

 

[Bendito]

Most of the christian and jewish faith do not believe the Book of Enoch to be inspired. They will often say its because of the text given about angels, and the fear that humans might worship them if they know more of them. That is a half truth. Although they fear that some, here is what they truly disagree with....

The church:
Enoch 90:17 And I saw that man, who wrote the book, according to the command of the Lord, till he opened that book concerning the destruction which those TWELVE LAST SHEPHERDS had wrought, and showed that they had destroyed much more than their predecessors, before the Lord of the sheep.

(Their predecessors being the ruling Sanhedrin, the 70 chosen spiritual rulers of Israel) .

The jews:
Enoch 89:59-60 And He called SEVENTY SHEPHERDS and cast those sheep to them that they might pasture them, and He spake to the shepherds and their companions: Let each individual of you pasture the sheep henceforward and everything that I command you that you do. 60 And I will deliver them over unto you duly numbered and tell you which of them are to be destroyed and them destroy y. And He gave over unto them those sheep.
Enoch 90:25 And those seventy shepherds were judged and found guilty and cast into this fiery abyss.

Those seventy shepherds did many evil things written between Enoch 89:59 and 90:25.

The listed verses come from the Robert Henry Charles translation from the Ge'ez, the most extensive witnesses to the Book of Enoch exist in the Ge'ez language from the african church, and these people only approve the translation made by Charles.

LOL Brad the book of Enoch is NOT inspired. It's a history book. But still it helps for the grammar of the time. History's of the time. and many prophesy's were recorded there too.

 

[Brad Huber]

LOL Brad the book of Enoch is NOT inspired. It's a history book. But still it helps for the grammar of the time. History's of the time. and many prophesy's were recorded there too.

The writings teach and give prophecy. The church indeed does not consider it inspired, some even consider it heresy. Yet ask yourself why it is not considered inspired? Either its lies, or its true, which is it?

 

[Bendito]

The writings teach and give prophecy. The church indeed does not consider it inspired, some even consider it heresy. Yet ask yourself why it is not considered inspired? Either its lies, or its true, which is it?

It's proven to be true history... Have you read it? Are you making a judgement based on hearsay?

 

[amadeus2]

It's proven to be true history... Have you read it? Are you making a judgement based on hearsay?

The problem with history to the extent it is not inspired by God, is that it is told and/or written by men who too often have had, and have, underlying reasons for bending things their own way.

Russia's Stalin and Germany's Hitler were not the first nor were the last men in power to have history in ways that be most beneficial their own purposes. All of us in our flesh to the extent that we follow our flesh rather than follow the lead of the Holy Spirit, are likely to manifest some very selfish or political motives.

Even scripture itself can mislead a person who is led in his understanding by other than the Holy Spirit. The fact that there are so many thousands of purported Christian churches/denominations based on essentially the same Bible is evidence for this.

Yes, I have a copy of and have read the Book of Enoch, but not recently.

 

[Brad Huber]

It's proven to be true history... Have you read it? Are you making a judgement based on hearsay?

Yes I have read it. I was trying to help you to understand the meaning of the words inspired. I consider the bulk of it inspired. How does any christian know what is inspired by God and what is not inspired? If something is the truth and someone speaks it or writes it, it is obviously inspired to me. I believe the bible to be inspired by God. Why? Its not because someone around 1700 years ago made decisions about what is inspired and what is not. Its because the words, spoken or written, inspire me, to be a truth worth holding on to. Scripture inspires me that it holds timeless truth in its teachings, and prophecy. Scripture holds a special place though in inspired writings, for if anything is thought to be inspired as truth, God's truth, it must not break against the truths found in scripture. Christians are so often so quick to declare only scripture as inspired. How sad that they can only see truth and God's leading happening to people thousands of years ago. Its as if they worship a dead God, or worship the bible instead of the one who inspired it.

 

[Bendito]

Yes I have read it. I was trying to help you to understand the meaning of the words inspired. I consider the bulk of it inspired. How does any christian know what is inspired by God and what is not inspired? If something is the truth and someone speaks it or writes it, it is obviously inspired to me. I believe the bible to be inspired by God. Why? Its not because someone around 1700 years ago made decisions about what is inspired and what is not. Its because the words, spoken or written, inspire me, to be a truth worth holding on to. Scripture inspires me that it holds timeless truth in its teachings, and prophecy. Scripture holds a special place though in inspired writings, for if anything is thought to be inspired as truth, God's truth, it must not break against the truths found in scripture. Christians are so often so quick to declare only scripture as inspired. How sad that they can only see truth and God's leading happening to people thousands of years ago. Its as if they worship a dead God, or worship the bible instead of the one who inspired it.

The inspired Word of God....God's own words penned by a man. I understand that. I have understood that for many years. Thank you I'm not saying the book of Enoch was or is inspired. I'm simply saying it's a history book. Using it can help one understand the verbage used by people of the day and the customs also, thereby helping us understand more of what we read in the bible. It would be totally wrong and foolish to take it as gospel