These last two posts, I believe are very important for all of us to read. But one thing that really bothers me is why we cant accept responsibility for the part that is us. I do not believe that all of these answers from people are all Christians. However I do know that some are people that are claiming Christ. That in our mainstream churches and church leaders. Yet, when the confrontation comes to them, then it is, do not judge. Yet it is the people and the leaders that start with judging the people and then want to cry when they are judged.
Why are Christians so?
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ye shall know them by their fruits. Amen.
when their fruit gets squeezed; what comes dripping out.
God is sending His chosen ones forth; reproving the spirits.
He, who is righteous, judges all things; but he is righteously judged by no man.
man is flesh; God is Spirit.
if I judge it is not I, but the spirit within me that judges. Amen.
judge righteous judgments. Amen.
Do you know Him?
Is He consuming our hearts?
Have we been born again?
Amen, Amen, Amen
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
If thine eye (heart) be single; thy whole body is full of light.
All praise, glory, and honor be to God. Amen.
when their fruit gets squeezed; what comes dripping out.
God is sending His chosen ones forth; reproving the spirits.
He, who is righteous, judges all things; but he is righteously judged by no man.
man is flesh; God is Spirit.
if I judge it is not I, but the spirit within me that judges. Amen.
judge righteous judgments. Amen.
Do you know Him?
Is He consuming our hearts?
Have we been born again?
Amen, Amen, Amen
A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
If thine eye (heart) be single; thy whole body is full of light.
All praise, glory, and honor be to God. Amen.
Do we truly understand what it means by fruits? I am not sure that Christians really know or understand in America. It seems as though most Christians in America believe that fruits are going to church everytime the doors are open. It seems they believe that service is doing the church building work and that is it. It seems as though when it comes down to truly ministering or evangelizing in America it is more about us and filling our church building and denominations far more than sharing Christ and thinking of the souls of man kind. Sorry, but it really seems that chistianity in America has become very self absorbed and has nothing to do with Christ and salvation of souls. Very sad.
As I understand it, Fruits are what comes out of us spreading the messages of our hearts.
If those words were given us through the holy spirit then we will see them multiply in goodness.
If they are our own words, depending on how believable we are and how gullible those hearing us are, we may just get away with it and con people, but the fruits of that will be sour in the mouth of those who listened because there will not be much of a benefit to anyone else but he who uttered them.
Divine words cling to those who are ready to hear them and enrich their lives. Look at the world outside and see how well the words of their leaders have benefited them. There is more hatred and strife and more is coming since those words play to the self centered masses desiring to be fulfilled in that world. There is nothing fulfilling about a world that is bankrupt of wholesomeness. There is only an animistic battle to the death to control what is to be disposed of when this world is no more. If that isn't folly I don't know what folly is.
If those words were given us through the holy spirit then we will see them multiply in goodness.
If they are our own words, depending on how believable we are and how gullible those hearing us are, we may just get away with it and con people, but the fruits of that will be sour in the mouth of those who listened because there will not be much of a benefit to anyone else but he who uttered them.
Divine words cling to those who are ready to hear them and enrich their lives. Look at the world outside and see how well the words of their leaders have benefited them. There is more hatred and strife and more is coming since those words play to the self centered masses desiring to be fulfilled in that world. There is nothing fulfilling about a world that is bankrupt of wholesomeness. There is only an animistic battle to the death to control what is to be disposed of when this world is no more. If that isn't folly I don't know what folly is.
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So what do say fruits are?
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Yes, I totally agree with what you are saying. Amen.
However, I have also witnessed a great awakening within the church; made with hands. God isn't done and the prophesies are still being fulfilled. Amen.
Now, when you attend a place, in which you describe, and the Holy Ghost is pointing out those flaws to you; do you just go away and never go back to that place? or do you step in faith and speak the Word of truth that God has revealed to you? God is asking you to step up in faith; not go away and complain to others. God's judgment starts at home. Not only has He cleansed a vessel fit to be used by the KING; but He is sending those vessels in among those who claim to be His children. When their fruits get squeezed; what comes dripping out? Those same places are the ones that rejected Christ and sought how they might kill Him; and because they rejected Him, His grace was extended unto all the world. Some of them will reject you (a child of God); Jesus told us they would. However, when they do and will not receive you, even after you have fought the good fight of faith, He told us to come out of there and shake the very dust off our feet and use it at a testimony against them. Amen.
False doctrines are over and the Truth is being revealed to many who have received HIM. Amen
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ushalk: "well I guess since no one wants to do this, I will tell you. the first word is mean. Why are Christians so mean? The second one is hateful. third one is judgmental. The answers are not what bothers me. What bothers me is the fact that in most cases the answers are true. Does anyone want to discuss this? Or is it just going to be another excuse? If we as Christians can not accept responsibility for our actions and repent of them, how do we expect others to accept Christ and do the same?"
When Paul corrected Peter in front of everyone he might have appeared mean and judgemental, was he wrong to do so?
My opinion: There are many divisions in the Christian world today and I believe that everyone will agree that there are verses in the Bible that warn of false teachers and false doctrine that had begun to infiltrate the body of Christ even in those days(?). With all the disarray, the wide range of views on every topic that can pretty-much possibly be discussed about the Bible and God, it doesn't ( and shouldn't ) take one very long to decide that there are some people that claim to be Christians that cannot possibly truly be, but most of us hold tight to our own doctrines, our own beliefs about things, sure that we are right about what we're doing and everyone else is in err. This often causes a pride to appear, right ( I believe anger to be rare where pride hasn't first shown up )? But ( and I know many of us feel this way ) shouldn't we defend our Lord and his Truth no matter what? Since we all believe so differently in some cases, which of us are actually defending the Truth and which are defending Lies? But, many of us are convinced that we are the ones doing the correct thing and others that don't share our beliefs, or at least certain ones, are the enemy, or, at the least, mislead. Do the people that do not the truth KNOW that they do not? Or, do we all truly believe that what we have is the truth? If so, is there ANY way to decide or figure out what truth is really truth and fix the problems within the body of Christ today? I personally do not think so, believing that scripture tells us that it is exactly the reason for God's wrath in the end. My opinion, of course. I do not believe that God comes back to destroy the earth in the end because of people claiming atheism or satanism or any other religion, I believe His wrath to be over people claiming Him but not in truth. I believe the Antichrist will claim to be Christian. Again, that is my opinion and completely understand that many of you have your own.
Sorry that my post wasn't a bit more positive but I don't see much to be positive about when the body of Christ behaves the way that it does. The fact that it is all in God's hands and that He is allowing it to happen for a reason is positive ... for some anyway, I guess. I can only think to study and try to make sure that I have the best hand possible when my time comes and suggest that everyone else do the same. If you are happy with where you are in the Lord good for you. When we start to think that we know everything we quit trying to learn anything new and, I believe, become a danger to ourselves.
Good luck with your thread, ushalk.
When Paul corrected Peter in front of everyone he might have appeared mean and judgemental, was he wrong to do so?
My opinion: There are many divisions in the Christian world today and I believe that everyone will agree that there are verses in the Bible that warn of false teachers and false doctrine that had begun to infiltrate the body of Christ even in those days(?). With all the disarray, the wide range of views on every topic that can pretty-much possibly be discussed about the Bible and God, it doesn't ( and shouldn't ) take one very long to decide that there are some people that claim to be Christians that cannot possibly truly be, but most of us hold tight to our own doctrines, our own beliefs about things, sure that we are right about what we're doing and everyone else is in err. This often causes a pride to appear, right ( I believe anger to be rare where pride hasn't first shown up )? But ( and I know many of us feel this way ) shouldn't we defend our Lord and his Truth no matter what? Since we all believe so differently in some cases, which of us are actually defending the Truth and which are defending Lies? But, many of us are convinced that we are the ones doing the correct thing and others that don't share our beliefs, or at least certain ones, are the enemy, or, at the least, mislead. Do the people that do not the truth KNOW that they do not? Or, do we all truly believe that what we have is the truth? If so, is there ANY way to decide or figure out what truth is really truth and fix the problems within the body of Christ today? I personally do not think so, believing that scripture tells us that it is exactly the reason for God's wrath in the end. My opinion, of course. I do not believe that God comes back to destroy the earth in the end because of people claiming atheism or satanism or any other religion, I believe His wrath to be over people claiming Him but not in truth. I believe the Antichrist will claim to be Christian. Again, that is my opinion and completely understand that many of you have your own.
Sorry that my post wasn't a bit more positive but I don't see much to be positive about when the body of Christ behaves the way that it does. The fact that it is all in God's hands and that He is allowing it to happen for a reason is positive ... for some anyway, I guess. I can only think to study and try to make sure that I have the best hand possible when my time comes and suggest that everyone else do the same. If you are happy with where you are in the Lord good for you. When we start to think that we know everything we quit trying to learn anything new and, I believe, become a danger to ourselves.
Good luck with your thread, ushalk.
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What do say that fruits are?
Why is it that we look to Google for what others thank about any part of our lives? Is this a public relations issue we must discuss in a therapy session between anti-depressant doses?
This entire topic was a setup to begin with so why are you saying that we don't want to discuss what you want to portray us as? Would you like to discuss life with someone who tries to funnel the responses in a certain direction*
As for excuses. If a person rejects the answers of another because that isn't what they wish to hear, are the answers really answers or just a waste of our time in discussing things..
You use a blanket statement about all Christians and then say the words "We as Christian's", as if you are among us. If you were you would know that there are good and bad in everyone and some are down right hypocrites, while others would give you the shirt off their own backs.
As for our ministry we are truthful in our decisions on how life should be lived and point out the harmful actions of others. If that is judging them then they are too judging us for saying that we are judgmental. What are we talking about when we both comment on what we think of what another does. The difference is that we are trying to help out that person and all they are doing is chastising us for voicing our opinions. Which one of these are the most beneficial.
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If we love them, as Christ loved the church, we will tell them the truth; even though they may hate us for it. However, a seed got planted and God will give that seed increase. Amen.
Every time Jesus entered the synagogue (house of "believers"), they were offended by His words. They cast stones, drag Him out to cast Him down the hill headlong, sought how they might kill Him, paid a disciple to betray Him, and crucified Him. We are to follow in His example.
Yes, they may hate you for speaking the truth; but by doing so, you just might see a sinner get saved.
Do you love them? or did you just walk away and leave them in darkness? We are to be a light in ALL the world; not just outside the doors of church, but inside the house as well. One speaking the Word of truth has nothing malicious in their heart but an earnest love and care that a people is being misled, self righteous, high minded, back biting..... whatever the case. We stand in all good conscience with God. Amen. I have nothing of myself to gain but everything to lose, if I walk away and do not speak forth what God has revealed to me and has laid His Word on my heart to speak. Even Paul, a follower of Christ, fought the good fight of faith, among the "believers". He was accused of turning the town upside down.
Why so many variations of faith in the house? Christ told us why. You think I come to give peace, I tell you no, but rather division. When He died; the temple was rent in two. God is Spirit. Was the temple rent in two? Yes, not only in the physical but in spiritual. Some believers are still bound to the law and reject Him. Hence, He is in me, I am in Him, and we go unto the Father. If they reject you, they reject Him. We are one. Amen. Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world. The flesh "believers" sit in the house beside the spiritual believers who indeed have been born again. We are told to seek out brethren of "like mind". Just because we are all called "Christians" does not mean we are all of the same mind. Many have never submitted to Christ and allowed Him to transform them. RENEWING OUR MIND, by washing of water by the Word. Amen. How can a mind by renewed and come together in One and with one when a person doesn't read, seeking Him earnestly and diligently? they continue to pursue the world and its glory, and treasures; until Sunday morn, they are sitting on the pew and are the most righteous of all.
When disciples learned the tomb of Christ was empty, they ran to the tomb. Now, that other disciple did out run Peter. However, when he came to the tomb, he did not enter in but rather looked in. Here comes Peter, who passed Him by and entered in. (Then) the other disciple entered in too.
Just because one may appear to be running faster does not mean they have entered in themselves. But, one, who has entered in, comes forth, they know the way, the truth and the life and will lead others to Him. Amen.
We had better be willing to suffer for His name sake. If they have done it to me, they will do it too you, says the Lord. We are told to arm ourselves likewise. Don't think that some strange thing has happened to you. They hated me without a cause. Praise God, He counts us worthy to suffer for His name sake. Praise God, that we be accounted worthy to stand in the day He comes back in the clouds in power and glory and all His angels by His side. Praise God, we be accounted worthy to escape the day that God pours His wrath upon this earth. Praise God, that our flight not be on the Sabbath day or in winter, because there is much tribulation in those days.
Tribulation Sabbath days? hum.... God is awakening those who have been sleeping on the pew; because He is sending His Spirit filled believers into those comfort zones. Amen. They may even appear to be the least of you all; homeless, clothed in rags, maybe they smell bad, hands may be disgusting looking, rough and scruff. How does your fruits fair? Are you true to the commands of God? Do you love them? Or are you placing them under your footstool?
There is a great awakening happening and something big is about to happen. Amen.
Judgment is indeed come to the house of God; has those in the house been properly clothed?
All praise, glory and honor be to God. Amen
Every time Jesus entered the synagogue (house of "believers"), they were offended by His words. They cast stones, drag Him out to cast Him down the hill headlong, sought how they might kill Him, paid a disciple to betray Him, and crucified Him. We are to follow in His example.
Yes, they may hate you for speaking the truth; but by doing so, you just might see a sinner get saved.
Do you love them? or did you just walk away and leave them in darkness? We are to be a light in ALL the world; not just outside the doors of church, but inside the house as well. One speaking the Word of truth has nothing malicious in their heart but an earnest love and care that a people is being misled, self righteous, high minded, back biting..... whatever the case. We stand in all good conscience with God. Amen. I have nothing of myself to gain but everything to lose, if I walk away and do not speak forth what God has revealed to me and has laid His Word on my heart to speak. Even Paul, a follower of Christ, fought the good fight of faith, among the "believers". He was accused of turning the town upside down.
Why so many variations of faith in the house? Christ told us why. You think I come to give peace, I tell you no, but rather division. When He died; the temple was rent in two. God is Spirit. Was the temple rent in two? Yes, not only in the physical but in spiritual. Some believers are still bound to the law and reject Him. Hence, He is in me, I am in Him, and we go unto the Father. If they reject you, they reject Him. We are one. Amen. Greater is He that is in me, than he that is in the world. The flesh "believers" sit in the house beside the spiritual believers who indeed have been born again. We are told to seek out brethren of "like mind". Just because we are all called "Christians" does not mean we are all of the same mind. Many have never submitted to Christ and allowed Him to transform them. RENEWING OUR MIND, by washing of water by the Word. Amen. How can a mind by renewed and come together in One and with one when a person doesn't read, seeking Him earnestly and diligently? they continue to pursue the world and its glory, and treasures; until Sunday morn, they are sitting on the pew and are the most righteous of all.
When disciples learned the tomb of Christ was empty, they ran to the tomb. Now, that other disciple did out run Peter. However, when he came to the tomb, he did not enter in but rather looked in. Here comes Peter, who passed Him by and entered in. (Then) the other disciple entered in too.
Just because one may appear to be running faster does not mean they have entered in themselves. But, one, who has entered in, comes forth, they know the way, the truth and the life and will lead others to Him. Amen.
We had better be willing to suffer for His name sake. If they have done it to me, they will do it too you, says the Lord. We are told to arm ourselves likewise. Don't think that some strange thing has happened to you. They hated me without a cause. Praise God, He counts us worthy to suffer for His name sake. Praise God, that we be accounted worthy to stand in the day He comes back in the clouds in power and glory and all His angels by His side. Praise God, we be accounted worthy to escape the day that God pours His wrath upon this earth. Praise God, that our flight not be on the Sabbath day or in winter, because there is much tribulation in those days.
Tribulation Sabbath days? hum.... God is awakening those who have been sleeping on the pew; because He is sending His Spirit filled believers into those comfort zones. Amen. They may even appear to be the least of you all; homeless, clothed in rags, maybe they smell bad, hands may be disgusting looking, rough and scruff. How does your fruits fair? Are you true to the commands of God? Do you love them? Or are you placing them under your footstool?
There is a great awakening happening and something big is about to happen. Amen.
Judgment is indeed come to the house of God; has those in the house been properly clothed?
All praise, glory and honor be to God. Amen
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I disagree..why pick on America? Anywhere you go in the world, to any church, they are all full false Christians. In comparison to the number of true born again Christians in America you truly know very few,. Only God knows what is in the heart of a Christian and only He is the final judge.
I ask again, what do say fruits are?
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Matthew 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: Sounds like something you are expected to be in control of ...
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
... tells me that false prophets CAN be identified by something that Jesus is referring to as "fruits", so it must be their actions or their words or a combination involving both.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Are you under the law if you are not led by the Spirit then?
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Righteousness is a fruit.
Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
James 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Galatians 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
... tells me that false prophets CAN be identified by something that Jesus is referring to as "fruits", so it must be their actions or their words or a combination involving both.
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Galatians 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. Are you under the law if you are not led by the Spirit then?
Ephesians 5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Hebrews 12:11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. Righteousness is a fruit.
Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
James 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
Galatians 6:9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
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Let's discuss Matthew 3 a moment.
bringing forth fruits worthy of repentance (however, I don't agree it is something we are in control of) For, the goodness of God brings one to repentance. Amen. Now, the goodness of God comes after destruction. When He lifted up the believer, that believer was CRYING OUT TO GOD in pain, in suffering, in agony of the destruction before them. Amen. God is in control of ALL things put before us. Not for us to think that we have chosen Him; but that He chose us. Amen.
The division in the house, among believers; many are called (they come in sit down, get comfortable and come to believe we are saved by grace without ever really coming to KNOW HIM, who is Grace), but few are chosen (they have been convicted in their heart by the law of sin and death and have CRIED OUT TO GOD). They are a chosen vessel (in Him, by Him, for Him) and God cleanses and purges His vessels fit to be used by a King. Amen. HE is the way, the truth, and the life. Amen. He is the door that leads to eternal life. Amen. It is a servants job to serve the Master. A servant is not above his Master; he is made one with his Master; to all who believe and has been baptized of His Spirit. Amen. He has a baptism to be baptized with. Amen. As we (His born again priesthood) live and move and breath; we do so unto God. Amen. Our life is not our own, it belongs to God. We are not separate from Him, but we have been made one in Him, with Him, by Him, for Him. Amen.
Even our very thoughts are not of our own. They are either good or evil (light or dark). Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Amen. If thine eye (heart) be single, they whole body is full of light. Amen. If thine eye be evil, how great is that evil? The mouth is a little member; how great a fire a little member kindleth.
What does our mouth speak? search ourselves and God give us understanding. Amen.
All praise, glory and honor be to God. Amen.
bringing forth fruits worthy of repentance (however, I don't agree it is something we are in control of) For, the goodness of God brings one to repentance. Amen. Now, the goodness of God comes after destruction. When He lifted up the believer, that believer was CRYING OUT TO GOD in pain, in suffering, in agony of the destruction before them. Amen. God is in control of ALL things put before us. Not for us to think that we have chosen Him; but that He chose us. Amen.
The division in the house, among believers; many are called (they come in sit down, get comfortable and come to believe we are saved by grace without ever really coming to KNOW HIM, who is Grace), but few are chosen (they have been convicted in their heart by the law of sin and death and have CRIED OUT TO GOD). They are a chosen vessel (in Him, by Him, for Him) and God cleanses and purges His vessels fit to be used by a King. Amen. HE is the way, the truth, and the life. Amen. He is the door that leads to eternal life. Amen. It is a servants job to serve the Master. A servant is not above his Master; he is made one with his Master; to all who believe and has been baptized of His Spirit. Amen. He has a baptism to be baptized with. Amen. As we (His born again priesthood) live and move and breath; we do so unto God. Amen. Our life is not our own, it belongs to God. We are not separate from Him, but we have been made one in Him, with Him, by Him, for Him. Amen.
Even our very thoughts are not of our own. They are either good or evil (light or dark). Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. Amen. If thine eye (heart) be single, they whole body is full of light. Amen. If thine eye be evil, how great is that evil? The mouth is a little member; how great a fire a little member kindleth.
What does our mouth speak? search ourselves and God give us understanding. Amen.
All praise, glory and honor be to God. Amen.
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rag4aCrown: "For, the goodness of God brings one to repentance."
The repentance is something we're in control of, correct?
rag4aCrown: "that believer was CRYING OUT TO GOD in pain, in suffering, in agony of the destruction before them."
Was the believer you mention here in control of the crying out to God? Did he/she cry out to God of their own volition or would you say that God was also completely and fully behind that as well? I'm not trying to sound like a smart aleck, really, I just have a difficult time understanding where people are coming from sometimes when talking about what part we play in things and what part God plays.
rag4aCrown: "The division in the house, among believers; many are called (they come in sit down, get comfortable and come to believe we are saved by grace without ever really coming to KNOW HIM, who is Grace), but few are chosen (they have been convicted in their heart by the law of sin and death and have CRIED OUT TO GOD)."
Are the "called" believers to blame for never having come to know Him?
"Even our very thoughts are not of our own.They are either good or evil (light or dark)."
But we are blamed for the evil ones and God is credited for the good ones, or what?
The repentance is something we're in control of, correct?
rag4aCrown: "that believer was CRYING OUT TO GOD in pain, in suffering, in agony of the destruction before them."
Was the believer you mention here in control of the crying out to God? Did he/she cry out to God of their own volition or would you say that God was also completely and fully behind that as well? I'm not trying to sound like a smart aleck, really, I just have a difficult time understanding where people are coming from sometimes when talking about what part we play in things and what part God plays.
rag4aCrown: "The division in the house, among believers; many are called (they come in sit down, get comfortable and come to believe we are saved by grace without ever really coming to KNOW HIM, who is Grace), but few are chosen (they have been convicted in their heart by the law of sin and death and have CRIED OUT TO GOD)."
Are the "called" believers to blame for never having come to know Him?
"Even our very thoughts are not of our own.They are either good or evil (light or dark)."
But we are blamed for the evil ones and God is credited for the good ones, or what?
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#1... even though they dont realize it, people know in their core that Christ is God and they expect Christians to be perfect. Thus, even a good Christian appears sinful in comparison to expectations.
#2.... the majority of "Christians" aren't Christians at all.
#3.... The media rarely publishes anything other than what the public percieves as negative things about Christians
#4.... the world says 'live and let live'... that all beliefs and lifestyles are equal, and that saying otherwise is intolerant
#2.... the majority of "Christians" aren't Christians at all.
#3.... The media rarely publishes anything other than what the public percieves as negative things about Christians
#4.... the world says 'live and let live'... that all beliefs and lifestyles are equal, and that saying otherwise is intolerant
I would think those outside the church think that we inside the church think we are perfect instead of just people determined to follow a set guideline. This is why they point out every mis-step we make and call us hypocrites when we ask others to follow the laws that we, at times don't because we are imperfect. They don't understand and some really don't care that we realize that all are imperfect and all will stumble, since it justifies, in their minds their prejudice against us to see us as hypocrites instead of imperfect person's, as they are, but working towards the goal of living righteously..
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Jesus came into the synagogue from the outside wilderness and called them hypocrites. Hum.... was Jesus imperfect? God forbid.
Only because of Jesus are we seen as "righteous or holy" at all.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44
Only because of Jesus are we seen as "righteous or holy" at all.
1 Corinthians 15:42-44
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God bless you Stickz
Romans 2:4
Romans 9:21
2 Timothy 19-26
Do we have ability within ourselves to keep breathing?
Do we have ability within ourselves to keep thinking?
God gives to everyone as HE wills; least we think more highly of ourselves than we ought to think
Colossians 1:16,17
What is born of the flesh is flesh; what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Amen.
The goodness of God brings a soul to repentance. Something within us (inner man) is crying out to God; it is not of ourselves.
God has chosen vessels; some to honor and some to dishonor. They is nothing created that God did not create; absolutely nothing.
Fear of the Lord (because He is good) and I was pathetic and full of sin and shame, brought me to repentance. From the heart, CRYING OUT Abba Father. Seeking Him, to know Him, earnestly and diligently, from the HEART. Many honor Him with their lips but their heart is far from Him.
God searches the depths of our heart; He holds the reins in His hand. He knows us better than we know our own self. He created us.
None is good; not one. God is good.
Even Jesus said; why callest thou me good; there is none good, but God.
From the heart, we continue to cry out; never forgetting the mercy He has bestowed upon our lost, filthy, lustful, souls.
The old man died with Him; we cling to His cross, which enables us to pick us our own cross and follow Him. A new creation rose up with Him, in Him, by Him, for Him. Hence, my life is not my own; it belongs to God.
It is an eternal thing.
All that is left of me.... is the rotting flesh of what used to be. For I am a new creation in Him, who created me; and what lives inside of me is made brand new. That old being of worldliness and vain thoughts has been transformed by the renewing of my mind by washing of water by the Word.
I look exactly the same... the filthy flesh of what used to be.
I don't act the same; I don't talk the same; I don't think the same; I don't lust after the world and its treasures.
The old has past away; and all things have been made brand new.
I die daily; that others might live. Not just live, but live life more abundantly. Not in the flesh world, but in the spiritual world.
God is Spirit. Amen.
Is there anything you can do? read the Word of God and seek Him with all your heart, mind, body and strength; He will meet you there.
The Holy Spirit told me awhile back "people have turned a deaf ear to this because they have heard it over and over again. And, the one telling them can't tell them how to enter in because they haven't entered in themselves."
So....here is wisdom. If you will revolve your life around HIM; your very being; He will revolve around your life and He will become your very being.
All praise, glory and honor be to God. Amen.
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There is none good but God, it's true.
But we can do plenty by ourselves, and plenty without God.
We can be selfish, have pride, refuse to repent, refuse to accept God, resist the Holy Spirit, and of course we can sin.
We can (and do) sin almost everyday.
God/Jesus isn't who makes us sin. When we show the fruit of the flesh, that's us. We are the flesh.
When we show the fruit of the Spirit, that's Him.
But we can do plenty by ourselves, and plenty without God.
We can be selfish, have pride, refuse to repent, refuse to accept God, resist the Holy Spirit, and of course we can sin.
We can (and do) sin almost everyday.
God/Jesus isn't who makes us sin. When we show the fruit of the flesh, that's us. We are the flesh.
When we show the fruit of the Spirit, that's Him.
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Sorry, rag4aCrown, I'm not sure that you cleared very much up for me. It sounds to me like you've said that we don't control much about ourselves at all, really, and under those circumstances I won't press you for much else, I guess. You aren't a Calvinist, are you? You know, the belief that some of us are just predestined to go to Heaven?
