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Why did God allow the Holocaust?

Chad

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In dealing with the problem of evil in the world, we run into many problems like this one. Could God have prevented the Holocaust? Yes, He could have. He could also have prevented Stalin’s massacres in the U.S.S.R., the Spanish Inquisition’s torture of dissidents, and Nero’s reign of terror. In each case, God allowed evil men to exercise a certain amount of power for a short period of time.

Ultimately, we do not know the reasons for what God allows. His ways and thoughts are infinitely higher than ours (Isaiah 55:8-9). His sovereign plan takes in the whole scope of history, past, present, and future, encompassing every possible course of action, every cause and effect, every potentiality, and every contingency. There is no way we could possibly fathom the intricacies of His design. By faith, we trust that His plan is the best plan possible for restoring fallen humanity and a cursed world to righteousness and blessing.

But we can understand this: God’s permission is not the same as His approval. God allowed Adam to eat of the forbidden tree, but He did not approve of the action. In the same way, God’s allowing the Holocaust in no way suggests His approval of it. God is grieved by the sinfulness of man and the hardness of his heart (Genesis 6:6; Mark 3:5).

We also know that God has done everything possible to redeem us from the sin which would destroy us. He gave His only Son, who sacrificed His life for our sin and took our penalty. All who turn to Jesus Christ in faith are saved. The sin in this world, and horrors such as the Holocaust, are a direct result of mankind’s continued rebellion against God.

While nothing can justify the Holocaust, we do see at least one good thing which came from World War II: Israel now exists as a nation. The Holocaust was a primary reason the White Paper of 1939 was rescinded, freeing Jews to immigrate to Israel. The fact that, as of 1948, the Jews have a restored national identity helps to fulfill such biblical prophecies as Ezekiel 37 and Matthew 24. Defeating Nazism and giving the land of Israel back to the Jews is a classic example of God’s thwarting Satan’s plan and bringing about good in spite of the evil.

In all of His doings, God is just (Psalm 145:17). The blame for the Holocaust lies squarely on the shoulders of sinful humanity. The Holocaust was the product of sinful choices made by sinful men in rebellion against a holy God. If the Holocaust proves anything, it is the utter depravity of man. Just fourteen years after "the war to end all wars" (World War I), Hitler rose to power. What is even more shocking is that millions followed him, enabling his horrific policies and pursuing a path to national destruction.

And while Nazism took hold in Germany, where were the European churches? Some, it is true, stood fast against the evil in their midst, and some churchmen, such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer, paid the ultimate price for dissenting. But they were the minority. Most churches of the era acquiesced to Nazi Party rules and remained silent while the Jews were slaughtered. Where were the world leaders? Other than England’s Winston Churchill, the world’s politicos took the route of isolation or appeasement. Neither worked. Where were the good, decent people? Edmund Burke is often quoted as saying, "All that is necessary for evil to triumph in the world is for enough good men to do nothing." Although there were a few Germans and other Europeans such as Oscar Schindler and Corrie ten Boom and her family, who risked their lives to save thousands of Jews from annihilation, most remained silent and the Holocaust ensued. The question is not so much "Why did God allow the Holocaust?" but "Why did we?"

God gives mankind freedom of choice. We can choose to follow Him and take a stand for righteousness, or we can rebel against Him and pursue evil. The problem resides in the heart of man. "The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?" (Jeremiah 17:9). Until man’s heart turns to God, the world will continue to witness "ethnic cleansings," genocides, and atrocities such as the Holocaust.

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@Chad

To ask 'why did we allow the holocaust' is a lot to put on Christians. There was so much involved that brought this about. The first and most important is the Jews on guilt. When they had opportunity to free Christ, they chose instead a murderer. Pilate said he washed his hands of Jesus innocent blood. The Jews said in return, "...His blood be on us, and on our children." (Matt. 27:25) And so it has been, and will continue to be.

The victors of WWI brought Hitler to power in their treatment of the Germans by the Treaty of Versailles. They kicked them like a dead dog and made them admit they like it. Then when a strong figure such as Hitler rises up and tells them to be proud to be German, this is what they wanted. It struck the right tone at the right time. If you were German and Christian you would have felt the same.

And the Roman Church was Italian and Italy was allied to Germany, so the Roman Church would not be so quick to criticize Germany. The pope at that time would support Germany at the beginning. But when the final solution became known, he no longer did.

Plus, once the final solution began being played out, it was done in great secrecy. Most Germans didn't know of it. It was terrible of course, but a whole cauldron of ingredients went into creating the holocaust.

Also, as you pointed out, this got the Jews back to Israel. This was God's timing. He was ready to start populating Israel as a nation again in preparation for the last days events. Had God sent a prophet to Europe to call the Jews back to Israel, they would have laughed him to scorn. They were doing very well in Europe economically. You wouldn't have a got a row boat filled with Jews to go back to Israel. After the Holoacust, the ships were full of them ready to go.

Quantrill
 
Why did God allow his chosen people to be enslaved in Egypt for some 600 years?
Why did God , if he is a forgiving God, not forgive the mistake Adam and Eve made when eating of the forbidden fruit? Tempted by a higher consciousness to do so?

Because without God arranging all things to happen one would not look to find God to make better things to occur. And so that there will be no mistake, God is Sovereign. Isaiah 45.

What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? (Romans 9:22-24)

 
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I don't believe the holocaust ever happened, not like they tell it.
So my question would be why did God allow the Jew's to lie about the holocaust?
I think it comes down to God having his plan. Just like babies need to die from cancer or whatever. It's tough to comprehend. But I think we as humans were never designed to understand..
I believe if something happens, it happens for a reason, weather we understand it or not. Of course that's just my opinion. I believe we have choices, I believe we have a chance to do good and righteousness. I never understand why people think dying is a bad thing, like it's the worst thing to happen, yes to them.. Selfishness. This life means very little to me. I'm waiting to die patiently. There is obviously a plan for me.. And choices along the way, so I'll see.
So why does God allow bad things to happen?
1) because he can
2) it's only you who thinks it's 'bad'
 
Greetings all,

be wary, very wary about second guessing the LORD.
If we do not know something and it is not in Scripture to know, keep with what you do know and praise Him for all He has revealed to you in and through His Son.


Bless you ....><>
 
I don't believe the holocaust ever happened, not like they tell it.
So my question would be why did God allow the Jew's to lie about the holocaust?
I think it comes down to God having his plan. Just like babies need to die from cancer or whatever. It's tough to comprehend. But I think we as humans were never designed to understand..
I believe if something happens, it happens for a reason, weather we understand it or not. Of course that's just my opinion. I believe we have choices, I believe we have a chance to do good and righteousness. I never understand why people think dying is a bad thing, like it's the worst thing to happen, yes to them.. Selfishness. This life means very little to me. I'm waiting to die patiently. There is obviously a plan for me.. And choices along the way, so I'll see.
So why does God allow bad things to happen?
1) because he can
2) it's only you who thinks it's 'bad'

So how did it happen?

Quantrill
 
I don't believe the holocaust ever happened, not like they tell it.
So my question would be why did God allow the Jew's to lie about the holocaust?
I think it comes down to God having his plan. Just like babies need to die from cancer or whatever. It's tough to comprehend. But I think we as humans were never designed to understand..
I believe if something happens, it happens for a reason, weather we understand it or not. Of course that's just my opinion. I believe we have choices, I believe we have a chance to do good and righteousness. I never understand why people think dying is a bad thing, like it's the worst thing to happen, yes to them.. Selfishness. This life means very little to me. I'm waiting to die patiently. There is obviously a plan for me.. And choices along the way, so I'll see.
So why does God allow bad things to happen?
1) because he can
2) it's only you who thinks it's 'bad'
My question would be why would any self-identified believer in the Jewish Jesus deny the Holocaust? I've heard of conspiracy theories and given the scope of the actors in the Holocaust,individuals, political entities, and nations, that would have to be the whopper of all conspiracy's.

It's only you who thinks it's 'bad'? A play on words from Hamlet: "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so," A product of ethical relativism.
Holocaust deniers are a special breed. In Germany and other countries they're often jailed.
 
My question would be why would any self-identified believer in the Jewish Jesus deny the Holocaust? I've heard of conspiracy theories and given the scope of the actors in the Holocaust,individuals, political entities, and nations, that would have to be the whopper of all conspiracy's.

It's only you who thinks it's 'bad'? A play on words from Hamlet: "there is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so," A product of ethical relativism.
Holocaust deniers are a special breed. In Germany and other countries they're often jailed.

Why? (you say)
Because it serves their theory on God our Jesus not being the Messiah.. That is exactly why.
Without going into an antisemitic rant.. You must realise the Jew's are not Christians, also you must realise the Jew's are anti Christian & were the people whom killed him..
I believe God himself said Jew's were evil... In scripture, although very uncomfortable to hear I must say. It is a belief I share.. Welcomed or not.
So you recognise the Jewish people of the Bible days to be the same Jew's of today? I don't.
Of course not all Jew's are bad, I know even the Jewish of Jew's that recognise the faults of their congregations.
It's a conversation starter for sure, albeit a worldly morally wrong one, which again should raise question.
I personally absolutely believe in an Israel.. But I believe the Jew's have dishonoured God's commands and have not become the God's chosen people that was planned.. Just imposters.

Good greetings to you.
 
There is not one bit of historic evidence of a holocaust ever happening.. If I am wrong, I will knee down and beg God for being ignorant.
But I have not in many, many years ever seen such evidence.
 
Why? (you say)
Because it serves their theory on God our Jesus not being the Messiah.. That is exactly why.
Without going into an antisemitic rant.. You must realise the Jew's are not Christians, also you must realise the Jew's are anti Christian & were the people whom killed him..
I believe God himself said Jew's were evil... In scripture, although very uncomfortable to hear I must say. It is a belief I share.. Welcomed or not.
So you recognise the Jewish people of the Bible days to be the same Jew's of today? I don't.
Of course not all Jew's are bad, I know even the Jewish of Jew's that recognise the faults of their congregations.
It's a conversation starter for sure, albeit a worldly morally wrong one, which again should raise question.
I personally absolutely believe in an Israel.. But I believe the Jew's have dishonoured God's commands and have not become the God's chosen people that was planned.. Just imposters.

Good greetings to you.
Are there forum rules that can be applied to racist comments?
 
Are there forum rules that can be applied to racist comments?

Most probably... But I do not conform to worldly views & attributes.
Anything that isn't the scripture will be offensive full stop.. Where do we draw the line? I don't have any first amendments here in the UK but I see why they do, to shut down any differences of opinions.. I see that as weak. A failure. Everything I say has scripturual basis.. You might view your feelings as humanly & worldy.. This is exactly the test God had for us.
 
Greetings brothers and sisters on this thread.

Closing temporarily for moderation to allow time for the Mod team to read through.

A post has been reported and will be looked into.

Blessings
 
We cannot discriminate. It is sin that bringeth destruction.

Whether Jew or gentle......

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Romans 3:23

What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Their feet are swift to shed blood:
Destruction and misery are in their ways:
And the way of peace have they not known:
There is no fear of God before their eyes.
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:9-19

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Thread opened and is being actively moderated. Please back posts with Bible Verses

Fyi @Chad @Christ4Ever @Br. Bear @ladylovesJesus
 
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The very fact that that antisemeticm is a human word created by Jew's should cause an issue..
I think it's great that you allow scripture basis here.
I'll start.
I thank you & acknowledge there isn't a platform for worldly & theological debate.. I'll be the first to answer when I'm asked a question..
God bless. X
 
The very fact that that antisemeticm is a human word created by Jew's should cause an issue..
I think it's great that you allow scripture basis here.
I'll start.
I thank you & acknowledge there isn't a platform for worldly & theological debate.. I'll be the first to answer when I'm asked a question..
God bless. X
Excellent that you agree with that latest rule. I am sure in very short order you'll edit your antisemitic remarks and add supporting scripture. Or else those are worthy of reporting, as you admit.
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and they will learn that I have loved you.
 
Are there forum rules that can be applied to racist comments?
Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.


If I love my neighbor as myself I do not help him/her to sin. Or continue to sin when their transgressions are brought into the public and to my attention.

John 3:20
For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.
 
Excellent that you agree with that latest rule. I am sure in very short order you'll edit your antisemitic remarks and add supporting scripture. Or else those are worthy of reporting, as you admit.
Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and they will learn that I have loved you.


No..
Jew's I believe are the Antichrist...
I'd like scripture to say otherwise please??

There are many scriptural basis that go against the Jew's.. I honestly can't believe in this day & age any Christian would be on the same wavelength.
 
No..
Jew's I believe are the Antichrist...
I'd like scripture to say otherwise please??

There are many scriptural basis that go against the Jew's.. I honestly can't believe in this day & age any Christian would be on the same wavelength.

Of course the Jews are anti-christian. That doesn't mean the holocaust didn't happen. So,I asked you earlier, how did it happen?

Stranger
 
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