Why do the young women have to be taught by older women how to love their own husband in the Body of Christ?

[Sue D.]

@PloughBoy -- fine -- if You don't want to be married, by all means be single. But --take some advice -- Don't become a marriage counselor -- pre-marital counseling.

 

[PloughBoy]

I read something one time, and it went something like this: Mama, I really like him, he is nice, he opens the doors for me, he can cook, wash clothes real good, clean house real nice, speak kind words to me and listen to every word I say, but one thing about him, I am kinda worried about, "he doesn't believe in "Jesus". Her mother replied: does he has a nice job? Daughter reply; yes he does and he has no debt. Her Mother's reply; so he's not a believer, don't worry, marry him anyway, By the time "we" get through with him, he will be! He is going Know there is a God in Heaven! They will help you come to a change! You will come to the light! "They who walked in darkness, saw a great light"!

 

[Sue D.]

Greeting Sue, the point I am making is that it is nowadays very materialistic, very worldly.

Many woman want their parents to pay for the wedding, that became a custom, but so did the will for more. A more expensive this and that, at a better location, etc, etc.

More worldly, less Godly.

The comparisons made are from, scripture in the beginning with Adam and Eve. Marriage according to God's law.

How marriage was in the early years up to Jesus time. How many wives, arranged marriages, etc. Then as it is today.

I am not against marriage, I am certainly for marriage, of a man and woman, according to God's Word. But we do have to lol at how it has changed from Adam and Eve.

We also cannot say we are in the west we do things this way, it is not a culture thing, it is according to God's Word, there were a lot of changes from Adam to Jesus ministry on earth. So many were not according to God's will but are noted to show the errors.

Just re-reading your message Sue, did you have stinky socks? ;-)

When couples get married -- at leasts 50 yrs ago or so -- there were various expenses paid by various people. The future relatives often Do help pay for part of it. More expensive does Not especially mean more worldly. There was a school teacher some years ago -- who met an enterpreneur -- a successful businessman. They were in an upper-middle class income range. They had a simple church wedding -- she had a beautiful gown and the parents gave them a Wonderful , huge reception. Lots of friends / family. Lots of business friends. They were believers and wanted this to be a beautiful memorable event in their lives.

The stinking socks -- my husband sweat a lot -- yes, stinky socks. I'm thinking that They were the last load of his clothes I ever washed.

 

[Sue D.]

I read something one time, and it went something like this: Mama, I really like him, he is nice, he opens the doors for me, he can cook, wash clothes real good, clean house real nice, speak kind words to me and listen to every word I say, but one thing about him, I am kinda worried about, "he doesn't believe in "Jesus". Her mother replied: does he has a nice job? Daughter reply; yes he does and he has no debt. Her Mother's reply; so he's not a believer, don't worry, marry him anyway, By the time "we" get through with him, he will be! He is going Know there is a God in Heaven! They will help you come to a change! You will come to the light! "They who walked in darkness, saw a great light"!

If he's not a believer Before getting married -- Do not marry him / her. Money isn't everything. I hear the humor in what you're saying, but Nope. Now -- sometimes a guy or gal will 'get saved' for the sake Of, but Then they need to make sure it's not simply in order to marry the other person. Marriage is much too serious a relationship to take so lightly.

And, yes, marriage Does have enough problems of it's own -- be sure it Is the right step To take. Having family is meant to be a wonderful , enriching experience. Marriage is meant to be the same thing. It Is what the couple makes it.

 

[PloughBoy]

Sue said:
"Having family is meant to be a wonderful , enriching experience. Marriage is meant to be the same thing. It Is what the couple makes it."

I don't think King David, Solomon, Apostles or Jesus got that message according to their writings.

 

[PloughBoy]

(Matthew 10)

34“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35“For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; 36and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD. 37“He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38“And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39“He who has found his life shall lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake shall find it.

 

[PloughBoy]

Remember we were not born into this world to enjoyed it and to set up camp here. The world is somewhat like a Incubator a shaper, a molder, a processor, a purifier's oven, for the "Elect of God". Anthropomorphic words being used here to define the purpose of process. "Let us make man..........etc".

(John 16:33)
I have told you all this so that you may have peace in me. Here on earth you will have many trials and sorrows. But take heart, because I have overcome the world.”

 

[PloughBoy]

Too many churches and Christians are teaching the "Barbie Syndrome" as the "Christianic" view in this modern day temporary marriage escapades of revolving doors of matrimony by their actions of acceptability, in the pursuit of "happiness" define by the word utopia in actuality the word should be "blessed", which meaning has nothing to do with the word "happy" but has a far better meaning although translated happy, This is a true saying "he who finds a wife finds a good thing"! And, is this also true as well:

"But A prudent wife is from the Lord"

She is willing to graciously receive godly wisdom, and even godly rebukes, from others. (Prov. 13:1) She does not seek counsel, advice, or close friendship from those who are far from the Lord but chooses her close friendships and counselors wisely. (Psalm 1:1-3).

 

[Brother-Paul]

When couples get married -- at leasts 50 yrs ago or so -- there were various expenses paid by various people. The future relatives often Do help pay for part of it. More expensive does Not especially mean more worldly. There was a school teacher some years ago -- who met an enterpreneur -- a successful businessman. They were in an upper-middle class income range. They had a simple church wedding -- she had a beautiful gown and the parents gave them a Wonderful , huge reception. Lots of friends / family. Lots of business friends. They were believers and wanted this to be a beautiful memorable event in their lives.

The stinking socks -- my husband sweat a lot -- yes, stinky socks. I'm thinking that They were the last load of his clothes I ever washed.

Jesus knew what he was saying, I must wash your feet, it was very dusty there and they wore sandles, feet always seem to get dirty and smelly, but for most they do a lot of mileage.

Bet you don't miss that job. ;-)

 

[Sue D.]

Well -- it wasn't a 'job' -- it Was something that went along with being married and running a household. I Also had dirty laundry.

Everyone brings their good, bad and ugly to a marriage. And ya bring potential stomach flu to a marriage , too. And babies with stinky diapers that need changing.

Some years ago one of the brother-in-laws was sort of cockie. He was 'baby-sitting' while his wife went shopping. Doug and I were at their house for something. In the meantime the baby woke up and needed changing. The guys were playing cards and I was expecting Clair to get up and get his baby. Well -- he sat there and continued with the cards. I went to get the baby and was told that Connie would get it when she got home. So -- I went ahead and found diapers, etc and changed the baby. Well -- the Rest of the story -- he thought that she was on the pill when they got married. So -- He could have all the sex He wanted without Her getting pregnant. Well -- all of a sudden she was pregnant. He Said How did That happen with the Pill. She said that it made her nautious so she quite taking them. So -- Now -- he Couldn't have all the sex He wanted without Consequences. So -- His thought was -- you got Your baby so You can take care of it.

Well -- Caire was fairly good looking and smart. And he Knew it. after 4 kids he decided he could have an affair. His brothers warned him. but he went ahead and was seeing the lady. Connie found out and Divorced him. And she had full support of the family.

Anyway -- so much for the side-note. (guys Can be creeps).

 

[PloughBoy]

Are men and women who are the children of God, think God is doing us a great dis-service when he commands us to do something without a reward to come that is far greater than we can imagine, for the things he ask us to do. Is to obey more harmful to us than to dis-obey? Is there a reward in glory for obeying despite the pain we suffer. Is there a reward in heaven for refusing to obey because we have to suffer by injustices done to us. "Love your husbands from your heart when you have been abused by them " love your wife when she has belittle you and have said all kinds of evil against you falsely" betrayed you in all matters of the heart". "Blessed are you when you so love in this matter". " Bless and sin not" the Holy Spirit is given to you that you may ask, and He will give you the power to do so! The ungodly has not the power to really forgive but only gives lip service of forgiveness, for God will judge them, as well as us. God will judge the quick and the dead!

 

[Sue D.]

Whatever.

 

[PloughBoy]

It takes the power of the living God flowing in your being to love the unloveable from your heart. And by having that power flowing in you, the only thing you have to do is ask. "For it is according to His Divine will" if you ask anything according to his will he will grant it! "For He cannot Lie"! Ask and you will receive! It might be painfull, but so was he!

 

[Trevor]

You're asking Why? because an older woman Could be the mother of daughters -- mother's are supposed to be both an example Of and a teacher for their daughters.

Back in the Biblical culture and sometimes Now days -- women are put with men as their wives -- it's not a love relationship - it's a 'here you are, you're now my wife, act like one' - so the older women are to teach the younger wives how to love their husbands.

So -- you'd Rather that Scripture said for husbands to teach their wives how to love them? God's Word says what He inspired it to say.

Hi Sue,
I cannot believe that a person can be taught to love the unlovable, at least not with Eros or Filial love. maybe with Agape love, but that would IMO lead to an unhappy life. But as it is scriptural, who am I to question God. He can bring love into any situation. Bless you.

 

[PloughBoy]

@PloughBoy -- fine -- if You don't want to be married, by all means be single. But --take some advice -- Don't become a marriage counselor -- pre-marital counseling.

Mmmmmm I never read nothing about God calling or sending out "marriage counselors or pre-marital counselors" in the Bible. Look like it might be a "RCC" thing or a money making institution for employment. I said maybe. So, if you have insurance coverage or enough money to pay out of your pocket or a good credit card, you can get some good Christian counseling in "Jerusalem" in 70 AD. Clear up into 2020 CE. And the rest is fresh out of luck.

 

[Brother-Paul]

(1 Corinthians 7:28).
But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

The Bible does not lie it is Infallible, But men's interpretation of the Bible is fallible !
So let a person choose, scripture or a man's or woman's interpretation. And when you read, 1 Corinthians 7:28, you read it real slow, like molasses flowing on a cool, Sunday morning in the month of March, up north.
Read between the lines and the fine print.

This passage on its own can be totally misread. Paul appears to be writing back to a letter, because in v25 I read...
Now concerning virgins:

The chapter starts talking about marriage, from v25 it moves to the unmarried, which Paul was.

The context here is not if you marry you have not sinned, but you are not sinning by getting married.
Also with the virgin, it is not that she may have commited a sin, but that she is not sinning by getting married.

In the next verse Paul goes on to open the door, 'What I am saying is a person who marries will have trouble' he is not referring in any way to man or woman, but to both.

1 Corinthians 7:33-35 (NIV2011)
33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife—
34 and his interests are divided.
An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit.
But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband.
35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

Paul has emphasised time is short, Christ now reigns, He is sat at the right hand of God, the time left to His return in Glory is shorter and is getting shorter by the day

We are to avoid items that distract us from the Lord, how can a married person devote their time to the Lord, to ensure they are right with the Lord if they are distracted by devoting their time to their married partner, and is one is not saved how can they devote their time to God when they are distracted and compromising to please their other half.

That said, Paul then concludes that there is nothing wrong by getting married, what is important is how we devote ourselves and our time to God.

My 2p brother.

 

[PloughBoy]

I think I will answer my own thread in this post. This is from: "GotQuestions.org" from my mailbox, if I am permitted to post. For encouragement of those who are going through rough times of all sorts.

Question: "Why does God allow us to go through trials and tribulations?"

Answer: One of the most difficult parts of the Christian life is the fact that becoming a disciple of Christ does not make us immune to life’s trials and tribulations. Why would a good and loving God allow us to go through such things as the death of a child, disease and injury to ourselves and our loved ones, financial hardships, worry and fear? Surely, if He loved us, He would take all these things away from us. After all, doesn’t loving us mean He wants our lives to be easy and comfortable? Well, no, it doesn’t. The Bible clearly teaches that God loves those who are His children, and He “works all things together for good” for us (Romans 8:28). So that must mean that the trials and tribulations He allows in our lives are part of the working together of all things for good. Therefore, for the believer, all trials and tribulations must have a divine purpose.

As in all things, God’s ultimate purpose for us is to grow more and more into the image of His Son (Romans 8:29). This is the goal of the Christian, and everything in life, including the trials and tribulations, is designed to enable us to reach that goal. It is part of the process of sanctification, being set apart for God’s purposes and fitted to live for His glory. The way trials accomplish this is explained in 1 Peter 1:6-7: "In this you greatly rejoice, even though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been distressed by various trials, that the proof of your faith, being more precious than gold which perishes, even though tested by fire, may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ." The true believer’s faith will be made sure by the trials we experience so that we can rest in the knowledge that it is real and will last forever.

Trials develop godly character, and that enables us to "rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. And hope does not disappoint us, because God has poured out his love into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom he has given us” (Romans 5:3-5). Jesus Christ set the perfect example. "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8). These verses reveal aspects of His divine purpose for both Jesus Christ’s trials and tribulations and ours. Persevering proves our faith. "I can do all things through Christ, who strengthens me" (Philippians 4:13).

However, we must be careful never to make excuses for our "trials and tribulations" if they are a result of our own wrongdoing. "By no means let any of you suffer as a murderer, or thief, or evildoer, or a troublesome meddler" (1 Peter 4:15). God will forgive our sins because the eternal punishment for them has been paid by Christ’s sacrifice on the cross. However, we still have to suffer the natural consequences in this life for our sins and bad choices. But God uses even those sufferings to mold and shape us for His purposes and our ultimate good.

Trials and tribulations come with both a purpose and a reward. "Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials, knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance. And let endurance have its perfect result, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing. . . . Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial; for once he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him" (James 1:2-4,12).

Through all of life’s trials and tribulations, we have the victory. "But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord, Jesus Christ." Although we are in a spiritual battle, Satan has no authority over the believer in Christ. God has given us His Word to guide us, His Holy Spirit to enable us, and the privilege of coming to Him anywhere, at any time, to pray about anything.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Too many churches and Christians are teaching the "Barbie Syndrome" as the "Christianic" view in this modern day temporary marriage escapades of revolving doors of matrimony by their actions of acceptability, in the pursuit of "happiness" define by the word utopia in actuality the word should be "blessed", which meaning has nothing to do with the word "happy" but has a far better meaning although translated happy, This is a true saying "he who finds a wife finds a good thing"! And, is this also true as well:

"But A prudent wife is from the Lord"

She is willing to graciously receive godly wisdom, and even godly rebukes, from others. (Prov. 13:1) She does not seek counsel, advice, or close friendship from those who are far from the Lord but chooses her close friendships and counselors wisely. (Psalm 1:1-3).

Well put brother, so true with searching worldly happiness instead of Blessing, we should constantly seek blessings, God Blesses us so we can bless others, if we are not being blessed we should be asking ourselves a question.

Barbie syndrome,

To many places of worship preach the cotton wool balls, the soft stuff, a rotation over two or three years of the same readings. The nice story's to keep people in the pews/seats, just enough without rocking any boats. Their boats need rocking! The Word needs expounding.

The Word is Truth, The Truth is in The Word.

 

[Sue D.]

Mmmmmm I never read nothing about God calling or sending out "marriage counselors or pre-marital counselors" in the Bible. Look like it might be a "RCC" thing or a money making institution for employment. I said maybe. So, if you have insurance coverage or enough money to pay out of your pocket or a good credit card, you can get some good Christian counseling in "Jerusalem" in 70 AD. Clear up into 2020 CE. And the rest is fresh out of luck.

Gracious sakes -- what churches have you gone to. It's Not an RCC "thing". There is Biblical counseling -- I've got several counseling books -- Dr. Larry Crab is one. Premarital counseling is what lots of pastor's do with engaged couples to guide them in their thinking. Lots of 6 week courses. It's not really evil. And couples who run into problems which counseling can help.

As far as counseling as a career, yes, there are those -- nothing wrong with that. Assuming that you go to a Dr. with medical problems. They go to college for a degree and you pay them per appointment and whatever meds they prescribe -- or do you think that medical info should be free?!

Well -- in Bible times there was no electricity -- no indoor plumbing. So -- do you Really suggest going back to Bible times to enjoy all their conveniences?

Counselors are 'there' to Help people.

 

[Brother-Paul]

Mmmmmm I never read nothing about God calling or sending out "marriage counselors or pre-marital counselors" in the Bible. Look like it might be a "RCC" thing or a money making institution for employment. I said maybe. So, if you have insurance coverage or enough money to pay out of your pocket or a good credit card, you can get some good Christian counseling in "Jerusalem" in 70 AD. Clear up into 2020 CE. And the rest is fresh out of luck.

Greeting brother

We have our God sent Counsellor...

John 14:26 (CJB)
26 But the Counselor, the Ruach HaKodesh, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything; that is, he will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 14:26 (NIV2011)
26 But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 14:26 (NKJV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

John 14:26 (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit is the Counsellor provided by God, who will intercede, comfort, make know the Truth in The Word, He is the comforter, He is our counsellor.

Greek Strong's Number: 3875
Greek Word: παράκλητος
Transliteration: paraklētos
Phonetic Pronunciation: par-ak'-lay-tos
Vine's Words: Comfort, Comforter, Comforter
English Words used in KJV:
comforter 4
advocate 1
[Total Count: 5]
an intercessor, consoler :- advocate, comforter.
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.