Why does everything die?
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If the result of sin is death, then how come animals die?
The result of sin IS death, but there is physical death and spiritual death, two totally different things. The spiritual death is truly bad. The physical death is merely some pain and then the discarding the old body for a new form. Even scientists will tell you that we are in a closed system, although matter and energy can be changed in form, they do not cease to exist.
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If the result of sin is death, then how come animals die?
Physical death to everything is now the result of sin in the world. It is part of the curse that God has placed on His Creation because of what happened in the Garden of Eden.
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Animal populations grow in direct proportion to their quantity and quality of available food supply. One year of drought, or excess moisture, or arrival of a competitive species, as with our current problems with many "invasive species" (non-native) can interrupt that. By that alone death can occur regardless of fitness, thereby going against "evolution" since that depends upon the fittest surviving. Some of the fittest animals on earth, like some elephants, are near extinction because of loss of habitat. One ice age can accomplish extinction of many if not most species.
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Originally God permitted herbs for food for all his creation. Since death is related to living blood, plants that are consumed are not regarded as "death". We are what we eat, living on what lives. The DNA of all animals and men was and still is flexible enough for most to accommodate an omnivorous diet change. That change was necessitated following the perversion of creation by Adam through his sin, who was never released to eat other than what he could grow by tilling the soil. His one son Abel was a keeper of sheep, but we have no mention of that purpose being to consume sheep. His first recorded use of sheep was to sacrifice a lamb. Taking it literally, Abel was in the business of providing sheep for sacrifice, while Cain tilled the soil like his dad Adam. God accepted Abel's sacrifice, indicating that sort of death was acceptable to God once sin got loosed on earth. From then on it was man against any animal that threatened, specially dinosaurs that ripped people, herds, and crops. The whole imbalance of life resulted from that original sin of Adam. To this day creation according to Romans 8:20-23 (KJV) 20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,If the result of sin is death, then how come animals die?
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Jesus was made a curse for us who believe, but God has not removed all curse from the earth, so creation yet suffers. It was impossible that creation should flourish while mankind suffers so much. Otherwise it would be common for cities of people to starve while food in abundance is stored in thousands of warehouses everywhere. God has always made provision for man to live "out of" the curse on Adam, if man would only repent and believe God. All along the curse on creation is always at our door, putting a demand for holiness upon every generation.
IMHO, the reason that things perish is found in the very foundation of the physical world we call the universe itself, or at least that is where Holy Ghost has shown me.
Since the eternal nature has no beginning of existence, neither can it have an end of existence since it always was and will always be.
The mortal nature which has a beginning, can not be eternal and in such, it will have an end of its existence.
While the prophesy of scripture is not subject to any private interpretation, it is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Hope you hear...
Eccl 6:6 & 9:4-7
Since the eternal nature has no beginning of existence, neither can it have an end of existence since it always was and will always be.
The mortal nature which has a beginning, can not be eternal and in such, it will have an end of its existence.
While the prophesy of scripture is not subject to any private interpretation, it is written that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD doth man live. Hope you hear...
Eccl 6:6 & 9:4-7
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Since Adam had access to the Tree of Life in the garden, it was originally intended for him to live eternally in his flesh body, to become mortal pending an act of sin. Well, it happened sooner than later.
Understanding that a good tree produces good fruit. Thus a good tree can not produce corrupt fruit or evil fruit. The precepts of eternal, immortal and mortal natures are more than precepts, they are principles which don't blow about with the wind, but are as fixed and unalterable as the universe that they regulate and govern.
So the LORD God walking and talking with Adam in the Garden, would have been the same Jesus that walked amongst man the NT, ironic that never hear anyone mention it.
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Jesus was still a spirit being in Genesis, not born of a woman, not a man like Adam, but Adam's creator (one of three of the Godhead), having a spiritual body, not one of flesh, in whom has always dwelt the fulness of the Godhead bodily. So no, it wasn't the "same" Jesus that walked among men in the NT, but his identity remained the same, the Son of God.
I'd like to see your first sentence supported with scripture.
I'd like to see your first sentence supported with scripture.
Jesus was still a spirit being in Genesis
You might want to read up on your trinity doctrine since as the Son he had to be born of the Father to be the Son.
Notice it doesn't say from the beginning- Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Heb 13:8
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:23
Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. Deut 4:39
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.Matt 7:17
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matt 7:18
For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Luke 6:43
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Matt 7:18
For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Luke 6:43
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14
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Yes, the Word was manifested even in the form of man's flesh. The Word pre-dated the flesh manifestation. There needed to be created a whole world called Earth to do that.
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:14
If you are saying the word manifested in the flesh and that He is your God then God bless your heart, that is awesome but have you heard His Voice, seen His Face, do you have a tale to tale that is big as the universe but lighter than hell. If it is written shall not live by bread alone then what dew those without dew?
But why is it written in 1 John 4:12 " No man hath seen God at any time." when they had seen the Father?
