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I understand Your claim - oldhermit.
However, I ask that You please consider that - it could be You - who is only looking at the Bible message through the eyes, scope, lens or the CONTACT of the worldly standards and worldly concept of the role of women in the role and relationship of humanity and mankind.
May I also clarify the fact - that - if the women are prophesying and are " literal " prophets of God - and this is what a prophet does ( they prophecy to people ) and there were a number of female prophets in the Old and New Testament. But it was not a worldly, spontaneous and natural ability for women to travel abroad, traversing and trekking – wandering alone through the deserts, wildernesses and throughout the dangerous mobs of men, to give the prophecy of God to very many people outside of their own close circle of friends and family. There were many sexist and prejudice people with preconceived judgments and opinions and there was a whole world that was willed with abusers who raped and manipulated and even kidnapped and sexually sold women in sex trades - the moment that a woman stepped outside of their circle of protection.
Female prophets in the Bible - were always used and valued in the role of working for God by staying in the in a safe environment - and God used the MALE prophets to go around the entire countryside, across deserts, through wildernesses and on long life adventures that include all the details in entire multiple book of the Bible - and to serve with Kings and leaders in a time of war and in dangerous situations where the males usually were situated and needed - and women did not serve in these capacities.
Where is that You would imagine that women prophets ( who are giving prophecy ) in the Bible and of Today would be DOING their prophetic works and giving prophecy ? Would they doing this while they are at home doing the dishes or laundry ? - or sweeping the floor or changing diapers ? or baby sitting or sewing clothes or weaving baskets ?
Would Gods interpretation to a message in tongues be put on a complete stall and placed on complete hold - until the next week when the church service meets again in the next service - and until the woman who is receiving prophecy or interpretation of the message from God while someone is speaking in tongues the church - and after the woman makes her journey back home with her husband when then and ( then - only ) at home - she can whisper shamefully into her husband’s ear and squeak out shamefully and disgracefully and in a shame - face - what prophecy that she has received from The Lord ? - concerning someone speaking in tongues during the service. ? St. Paul says here in - 1Co 14:5 I would that You all spake with tongues, but rather that prophecies = (προφητευων ): - - for greater is he that prophesieth = ( προφητευητε ) - - than he that speaking with tongues, except if not he interpreting, that the church may receive edifying. – all of the words in RED are added into the translation.
This would be a total contradiction if the manuscripts secluded the gift of prophecy - strictly to the male sex - The Bible says that women are also prophesying.
προφητευων -- prophecies - means the role of the individual performing - giving - prophecies προφητευητε -- prophecy - means the - prophecy message. - None of these prophets are males or are their roles ending in the masculine / male form of the word.
Also the word -- μειζων = " GREATER " - refers to the pronoun " YOUR " and not He or She sex. In modern Greek it means a Major in a military position. But of course most women’s bodies are not able to compete with men in a real battle situation – so according to the Trinitarian Theology - this must always mean the MALE SEX. – But the word suffice - is not referring to a male. Again – all of the words in RED are added into the translation.
Take a look this video that explains exactly how words are ending ( indicating ) the personal pronouns in the Greek language – to skip ahead to the personal possessive pronoun relating to Second person pronouns with no GENDER – such as - You or Yours and then on to First Person Pronouns = such as - ( Him / Her sexes - - Skip directly to 7:33 in the timeline to go directly to the proof. There is nothing in “ 1Co 14:5 “ - that refers to the male sex.
This movie explains the pronouns such as My, Yours, Him and Her . – the word is relating to the word Your - not He - not the male sex. There is no male sex in this verse. Also - in = 1Co 14:37 there is no first person possessive male sex is says - :37 If - any - man himself - think to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him know that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. - - The word that is claimed to be “ man “ is - the simply the combination of the two bass / root Greek words ” εἴ τις “ and it has nothing to do with a male or female
This word is not “ man / male sex “ it means ( IF ANYONE } I could go through and post every single word and in the verse and not a single word - is making reference to a MALE SEX . it would take another tremendous and huge long post. - this word is the meaning “ them “ and You or anyone can look it up ONLINE right now. Just go to this link - greek to english - Google Search
Simply enter in the word “ εἴ τις “
The whole New Testament is filled with the reference to a “ MAN “ when it could obviously be applied to the female also. I have already shown that the word that the Trinitarian Translators are claiming = Means SILENCE - is not the Greek word for “ silence Σιγάω “ . It is in fact a totally different word - meaning “ quietness “ - “ ησυχια “ -
You can go right now and look up the word “ quietness “ https://bit.ly/2Cedp0A = Enter the word = ησυχια
This is the exact word - that is used – that is applied to women being clam and in Quietness and Calmness - while LEARNING 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in “ Quietness or calmness “ with all subjection.
I have already proven that the manuscripts used this word to means “ quietness “ = ἡσυχία . - The Translators even correctly translated this word correctly as “ Quiet “ and “ peacefully “ – ONLY - silence and quietness are two different Greek words - 2Th 3:12 vindicates that - The Disorderly are to be in quietness. There is no male and female in this verse even suggested by the Trinitarian Translators themselves. For example here in Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: - “ Quiet “... -- But - If they are already keeping or being silent - how they possible be even more silent that being silent ? But the Greek word here is - “ Quiet “ The crown were Quiet - and they became even more Quiet when they heard the voice. They were not in silence and then became more silent. – this is a contradiction – impossible and not what the original manuscripts say in the Greek. The word is quiet “ = ἡσυχία .
The entire New Testament Trinitarian Translation is filled with hundreds of changes - where they add a male sex - with words such as He and Man - when these hundreds of verses are obviously referring to all believers, I could post hundreds of them that apply to women too - yet they are translated as a male sex. We can understand when the Bible refers to Yahoshua = as the SON OF MAN - but we know that this has nothing to do with the male sex - the same word is ANTHROPOID / ANTHROPOS – referring to all of human kind. Yet we never see Trinitarians calling Yahoshua the SON OF MALES nor do we call Yahoshua -- as “ our very own son. “ - the son of mankind - Is Yahoshua our very own son, also ? - since He is the son of humanity - the ANTHROPOID / ANTHROPOS. - - This is the same type of one step theology and mindset of the Trinitarian – especially Roman Catholics. - Yahoshua could be the SON OF MALES according to their translating style.. - I am not suggesting that Yahoshua be considered as - my very own son due to the fact that He is the son of man - or of “ Humanity “ - the son of Anthropos / Anthropoids = Humankind - but - This is how the composition of Trinitarian doctrine exists and how the translation of the Bible is made in many places. This is how the Trinitarian theology works . - -it seems as continual repeating of the same lines - as someone was repeating the statement saying " “ - well, he is - SON OF MAN - when we know that this elaborate focus of His identity in the Bible has nothing to do with the male sex - the word is ANTHROPOID / ANTHROPOS – referring to all of human kind. Yet we never see Trinitarians calling Yahoshua the SON OF MALES. But they continually attribute the church as to man or he - when there is no indication that it is male sex in the hundreds of verses.
This is the one step theology and mindset of the entire Trinitarian Translation itself – . - Yahoshua could possibly be the SON OF MALES according to this theology formula - But it seems that it is selective picking and choosing, all about when males are to be chosen “ he / male “ or just simply mankind.. This is all about personal feelings and sensations that are creating the authority of scriptures - a placing of full trust in a Spiritual Mother - - “ The Roman Catholic Church “ and Spiritual Father - - “ King James “
However, I ask that You please consider that - it could be You - who is only looking at the Bible message through the eyes, scope, lens or the CONTACT of the worldly standards and worldly concept of the role of women in the role and relationship of humanity and mankind.
May I also clarify the fact - that - if the women are prophesying and are " literal " prophets of God - and this is what a prophet does ( they prophecy to people ) and there were a number of female prophets in the Old and New Testament. But it was not a worldly, spontaneous and natural ability for women to travel abroad, traversing and trekking – wandering alone through the deserts, wildernesses and throughout the dangerous mobs of men, to give the prophecy of God to very many people outside of their own close circle of friends and family. There were many sexist and prejudice people with preconceived judgments and opinions and there was a whole world that was willed with abusers who raped and manipulated and even kidnapped and sexually sold women in sex trades - the moment that a woman stepped outside of their circle of protection.
Female prophets in the Bible - were always used and valued in the role of working for God by staying in the in a safe environment - and God used the MALE prophets to go around the entire countryside, across deserts, through wildernesses and on long life adventures that include all the details in entire multiple book of the Bible - and to serve with Kings and leaders in a time of war and in dangerous situations where the males usually were situated and needed - and women did not serve in these capacities.
Where is that You would imagine that women prophets ( who are giving prophecy ) in the Bible and of Today would be DOING their prophetic works and giving prophecy ? Would they doing this while they are at home doing the dishes or laundry ? - or sweeping the floor or changing diapers ? or baby sitting or sewing clothes or weaving baskets ?
Would Gods interpretation to a message in tongues be put on a complete stall and placed on complete hold - until the next week when the church service meets again in the next service - and until the woman who is receiving prophecy or interpretation of the message from God while someone is speaking in tongues the church - and after the woman makes her journey back home with her husband when then and ( then - only ) at home - she can whisper shamefully into her husband’s ear and squeak out shamefully and disgracefully and in a shame - face - what prophecy that she has received from The Lord ? - concerning someone speaking in tongues during the service. ? St. Paul says here in - 1Co 14:5 I would that You all spake with tongues, but rather that prophecies = (προφητευων ): - - for greater is he that prophesieth = ( προφητευητε ) - - than he that speaking with tongues, except if not he interpreting, that the church may receive edifying. – all of the words in RED are added into the translation.
This would be a total contradiction if the manuscripts secluded the gift of prophecy - strictly to the male sex - The Bible says that women are also prophesying.
προφητευων -- prophecies - means the role of the individual performing - giving - prophecies προφητευητε -- prophecy - means the - prophecy message. - None of these prophets are males or are their roles ending in the masculine / male form of the word.
Also the word -- μειζων = " GREATER " - refers to the pronoun " YOUR " and not He or She sex. In modern Greek it means a Major in a military position. But of course most women’s bodies are not able to compete with men in a real battle situation – so according to the Trinitarian Theology - this must always mean the MALE SEX. – But the word suffice - is not referring to a male. Again – all of the words in RED are added into the translation.
Take a look this video that explains exactly how words are ending ( indicating ) the personal pronouns in the Greek language – to skip ahead to the personal possessive pronoun relating to Second person pronouns with no GENDER – such as - You or Yours and then on to First Person Pronouns = such as - ( Him / Her sexes - - Skip directly to 7:33 in the timeline to go directly to the proof. There is nothing in “ 1Co 14:5 “ - that refers to the male sex.
This movie explains the pronouns such as My, Yours, Him and Her . – the word is relating to the word Your - not He - not the male sex. There is no male sex in this verse. Also - in = 1Co 14:37 there is no first person possessive male sex is says - :37 If - any - man himself - think to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him know that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. - - The word that is claimed to be “ man “ is - the simply the combination of the two bass / root Greek words ” εἴ τις “ and it has nothing to do with a male or female
This word is not “ man / male sex “ it means ( IF ANYONE } I could go through and post every single word and in the verse and not a single word - is making reference to a MALE SEX . it would take another tremendous and huge long post. - this word is the meaning “ them “ and You or anyone can look it up ONLINE right now. Just go to this link - greek to english - Google Search
Simply enter in the word “ εἴ τις “
The whole New Testament is filled with the reference to a “ MAN “ when it could obviously be applied to the female also. I have already shown that the word that the Trinitarian Translators are claiming = Means SILENCE - is not the Greek word for “ silence Σιγάω “ . It is in fact a totally different word - meaning “ quietness “ - “ ησυχια “ -
You can go right now and look up the word “ quietness “ https://bit.ly/2Cedp0A = Enter the word = ησυχια
This is the exact word - that is used – that is applied to women being clam and in Quietness and Calmness - while LEARNING 1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in “ Quietness or calmness “ with all subjection.
I have already proven that the manuscripts used this word to means “ quietness “ = ἡσυχία . - The Translators even correctly translated this word correctly as “ Quiet “ and “ peacefully “ – ONLY - silence and quietness are two different Greek words - 2Th 3:12 vindicates that - The Disorderly are to be in quietness. There is no male and female in this verse even suggested by the Trinitarian Translators themselves. For example here in Act 22:2 (And when they heard that he spake in the Hebrew tongue to them, they kept the more silence: - “ Quiet “... -- But - If they are already keeping or being silent - how they possible be even more silent that being silent ? But the Greek word here is - “ Quiet “ The crown were Quiet - and they became even more Quiet when they heard the voice. They were not in silence and then became more silent. – this is a contradiction – impossible and not what the original manuscripts say in the Greek. The word is quiet “ = ἡσυχία .
The entire New Testament Trinitarian Translation is filled with hundreds of changes - where they add a male sex - with words such as He and Man - when these hundreds of verses are obviously referring to all believers, I could post hundreds of them that apply to women too - yet they are translated as a male sex. We can understand when the Bible refers to Yahoshua = as the SON OF MAN - but we know that this has nothing to do with the male sex - the same word is ANTHROPOID / ANTHROPOS – referring to all of human kind. Yet we never see Trinitarians calling Yahoshua the SON OF MALES nor do we call Yahoshua -- as “ our very own son. “ - the son of mankind - Is Yahoshua our very own son, also ? - since He is the son of humanity - the ANTHROPOID / ANTHROPOS. - - This is the same type of one step theology and mindset of the Trinitarian – especially Roman Catholics. - Yahoshua could be the SON OF MALES according to their translating style.. - I am not suggesting that Yahoshua be considered as - my very own son due to the fact that He is the son of man - or of “ Humanity “ - the son of Anthropos / Anthropoids = Humankind - but - This is how the composition of Trinitarian doctrine exists and how the translation of the Bible is made in many places. This is how the Trinitarian theology works . - -it seems as continual repeating of the same lines - as someone was repeating the statement saying " “ - well, he is - SON OF MAN - when we know that this elaborate focus of His identity in the Bible has nothing to do with the male sex - the word is ANTHROPOID / ANTHROPOS – referring to all of human kind. Yet we never see Trinitarians calling Yahoshua the SON OF MALES. But they continually attribute the church as to man or he - when there is no indication that it is male sex in the hundreds of verses.
This is the one step theology and mindset of the entire Trinitarian Translation itself – . - Yahoshua could possibly be the SON OF MALES according to this theology formula - But it seems that it is selective picking and choosing, all about when males are to be chosen “ he / male “ or just simply mankind.. This is all about personal feelings and sensations that are creating the authority of scriptures - a placing of full trust in a Spiritual Mother - - “ The Roman Catholic Church “ and Spiritual Father - - “ King James “
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