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Why is divorce never allowed?

One reason "Why is divorce never?? allowed" is a incorrect statement

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.......................Sometimes, the stresses of marriage may seem unbearable, especially if our spouse is alcoholic, abusive, mentally ill or unfaithful. In such situations, we can stay faithful to our commitment; by remembering, how Jesus compensated for our wrong doings, when we were unfaithful to him and wronged him. We should continually pray and make sacrifices for the conversion of our spouse. In our prayers, we should surrender ourselves completely to God’s will, and ask Him to be our thoughts, feelings, desires and actions.[/QUOTE] Quote from post 1 of this thread[/I].
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She was only 5 or 6 years of age. I hadn't seen her for a long time.
I asked her mother why does her left eyelid keep blinking.
The mother burst into tears.
I was visiting a married couple that I hadn't seen for a few years. I had gone to school with the husband. We had been very good friends. He then moved to another part of the country 2000klms from where I lived.
The mother I didn't know that well, I met her at the wedding.
When she calmed down from the crying she told me that the child was being beaten by the husband. The Doctors were still looking into how they could fix her eyelid.
I and another friend sat in shock as we heard this. We were guests of this family, sharing the family home for a few days.
The child had long hair, the mother told me how the husband would drag the child out of bed by the hair and throw her. I cannot imagine the terror that child experienced. The Mother also was being bashed and showed us evidence of that. She told us that she would have to leave the marriage if the husband started to punch, throw, scream at the new baby. She told me that the husband told her that if she ever left that he would find her and kill her. She told us, that by us staying in her home the violence against her by her husband had stopped momentarily. We didn't sleep easily after hearing all of that.
The news came within a few years that mother had disappeared. Her husband came home from work to find a empty home.
The younger child was being bashed as well.
For those who don't understand a child being bashed by a parent can lead to long term emotional damage.
The husband appeared again back near where I lived. In the following years he broke into my Aunties home and tried to rape her. His own mother had to flee when he entered her home in a rage with a gun.
He has since bashed another woman and is facing criminal charges for breaking her limb.
Statistics show that if the mother had of not fled and "kept forgiving" the husband, there would be a high risk of her or one of the children being murdered or injured, ongoing Emotional damage from this situation would occur.
Woman and Children need to be protected from domestic violence.Domestic violence is widespread, this is not a isolated incident.
A 9 year old girl was murdered by a parent in my home town this week.
Yes we are to forgive. The bible clearly states that.
However would Jesus tell her to go back for more of the same?
Some issues are not as "Black and white" as we would like them to be.
 
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About Divorce, I have few questions brothers and sisters in Christ.
First: What if your husband divorced you because he believed that you committed an adultery but is not true? That He accused you of having an affair but you are faithful to him. I am talking about a christian husband who divorced his christian wife.
Second: Since it is not true , is it a sin to get married again to another christian man? Will they commit adultery? Is it wrong to pray for another christian man if you were divorced?
This thing happened to me and I really need answers from you.I need to be enlightened about these things and I am praying for answers. Thank you very much and God Bless!!!!
 
from post 1 [QUOTE=arunangelo]Christian marriage is a union of love between husband and wife, in which, God who is love, is the binding force (Matt 19:6). In other words, God unites husband and wife. In His plan they are no longer two, but one (Gen 2:24; Matt 19:5; Eph 5:31). This means that they have to surrender their entire being to the other and husbands have to love their wife as Christ loves His Church (Eph 5:25). In fact their bond is stronger than that between them and their parents; they therefore, leave their parents and unite with their spouse (Mark 10:7). Because God is the binding force in their union and God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6), it is impossible to break the bond (Matt 19:6). Jesus clearly tells us that no one should separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). Therefore, even when divorced people remarry, their first spouse is the only real spouse. Therefore, sexual relationship with any other person becomes adultery (Luke 16:18). Since God is the binding force, an attempt at rejecting the bond is an attempt at rejecting God. Divorce is therefore, against God. God therefore, hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Divorce is absolutely prohibited by Jesus (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 6:18), except when the marriage was illicit (Matt 5:32). The word in the Greek text for this exemption is porneia; which in no way means adultery (the Greek word for adultery is moiceia). from post 1.
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The above statement looks to be a well constructed teaching on divorce.
However there are problems with taking verses out of their context and putting them together with the authors own comments to make this argument.The above argument has flaws. I am not here to argue or debate this.
I am writing to those of you who have family members or friends who are divorced or are getting divorced. Seek out the correct teaching and interpretation on the scriptures used to construct the above statement.
Yes God does hate divorce Malachi.(2:16) He doesn't hate divorced people.(John 3:16).
I hate divorce too as I see the mess it causes in people lives.
However my role as a Christain brother is to make sure these people work through the issues and hopefully restore the marriage and if that is not possible to make sure that they work through the issues that they now face because of divorce. Their relationship with Jesus is vital.

Can a person who has been through divorce maintain or restore there relationship with GOD?

"If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, the old has gone, the new has come" 2 Corinthians 5:17
Divorce is not stronger than Grace and forgiveness. Divorce is a tragic incident in life. Divorce is not a lifestyle it is a tragic experience that some people go through.
 
This is an adendem to the first post on Divorce. I wrote(PM) Xr6 and he wanted me to post this.
Greetings Xr6,
I read your reply to divorice and totally agree with your reasoning.Funny that I of all people would not think of child abuse after eating so many pop bottles and hiding bbehind trash cans in the snow. But in my febble mind I try to clasify that under the "Dad's drinking proble" catigory.You see that is more than likely the cause of your former school mates problem.
My Dad was realy a good man but when he drank he woorked for satan and did not know it.He needed help and there was none. So does the person in your country.But more than anything that little child needs to be away from him no matter what. God said"Woe unto the man who hurts a child".I am sitting here with three lose teeth in the front of my mouth from my Dad's drinking and I'm 57 years old.The person you mentioned must behave the same way with his wife and she probibly is showing signs by now.Does your country have safe houses for this problem?I pray that this situation is resolved soon and agree that seperation is very understandible in such cases as these.MGBY(May God bless you).
 
I haven't....

I haven't read most of this threat but this is some of what I know about this question.

Divorce usually means someone didn't forgive someone for something or failed to deal with it properly and puts into practice an unloving attitude towards the person they promised before God to stay with. If we do not forgive everyone his brother from our hearts, our Father in heaven won't forgive us.

Another part to consider is, did God join these two people together in Holy matrimony.

arunangelo said:
Christian marriage is a union of love between husband and wife, in which, God who is love, is the binding force (Matt 19:6). In other words, God unites husband and wife. In His plan they are no longer two, but one (Gen 2:24; Matt 19:5; Eph 5:31). This means that they have to surrender their entire being to the other and husbands have to love their wife as Christ loves His Church (Eph 5:25). In fact their bond is stronger than that between them and their parents; they therefore, leave their parents and unite with their spouse (Mark 10:7). Because God is the binding force in their union and God is unchanging (Malachi 3:6), it is impossible to break the bond (Matt 19:6). Jesus clearly tells us that no one should separate what God has joined together (Matt 19:6). Therefore, even when divorced people remarry, their first spouse is the only real spouse. Therefore, sexual relationship with any other person becomes adultery (Luke 16:18). Since God is the binding force, an attempt at rejecting the bond is an attempt at rejecting God. Divorce is therefore, against God. God therefore, hates divorce (Malachi 2:16) and is not pleased with the offerings of those who divorce their spouse (Malachi 2: 13-14). Divorce is absolutely prohibited by Jesus (Mk 10:11-12, Luke 6:18), except when the marriage was illicit (Matt 5:32). The word in the Greek text for this exemption is porneia; which in no way means adultery (the Greek word for adultery is moiceia).

Forgiveness is the very heart of Christianity, because, Christianity has to do with redemption and redemption has to do with forgiveness. The whole redemption history revolves around God’s forgiveness. Although we are continually unfaithful to God He does not abandon us; on the contrary He sacrificed His own life to compensate for the sins (Matthew 26:27-28) we committed against Him. If we have to accept His forgiveness we have to believe in it by showing the same type of forgiveness to others (Matt 6:12)-especially our spouse. We must never give up, because, God does not give up on us. Sometimes, the stresses of marriage may seem unbearable, especially if our spouse is alcoholic, abusive, mentally ill or unfaithful. In such situations, we can stay faithful to our commitment; by remembering, how Jesus compensated for our wrong doings, when we were unfaithful to him and wronged him. We should continually pray and make sacrifices for the conversion of our spouse. In our prayers, we should surrender ourselves completely to God’s will, and ask Him to be our thoughts, feelings, desires and actions.
 
heartofworship said:
About Divorce, I have few questions brothers and sisters in Christ.
First: What if your husband divorced you because he believed that you committed an adultery but is not true? That He accused you of having an affair but you are faithful to him. I am talking about a christian husband who divorced his christian wife.
Second: Since it is not true , is it a sin to get married again to another christian man? Will they commit adultery? Is it wrong to pray for another christian man if you were divorced?
This thing happened to me and I really need answers from you.I need to be enlightened about these things and I am praying for answers. Thank you very much and God Bless!!!!

Heartofworship- My heart goes out to you in your situation. There is a site that answers your questions very well: May the Lord guide you with His wisdom as you seek His will. Blessings in Him.
 
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Jonah2005 said:
That was awesomely said! But I have question. What about the brothers & sisters whom have divorced & then remarried before they came to know GOD or HIS Word Jesus Christ? Their ex-spouses are still alive, but they divorced their ex-spouses before they had the true Christian facts. and have been serving GOD ever since?
That was awesomely said! But, I still have this question unanswered; "What about the brothers & sisters whom have divorced & then remarried before they came to know GOD or HIS Word Jesus Christ? Their ex-spouses are still alive, but they divorced their ex-spouses before they had the true Christian facts. and have been serving GOD ever since?"
 
People who say there is never any reason for divorce are looking at the issue from one side. The side they are looking from is a christian marriage with both partners as christians.

I was in an abusive marriage for 17 years. My son was taught to disrespect females and was encouraged to tell me off and even slap me. My daughter, the youngest, was being molested by her father. Please do not try to imply that I did not pray about the situation continually, because God knows that is not true. I did pray, every day and every night. I loved him, cooked for him, had marital relations with him despite his adultery, and did everything else I could think of to bless him. I went on some major fasting and praying journeys of my own there in the home, and told no one but God. After one fasting of 48 hours, I was praying for my husband in the night, I had oil and was blessing his mind, body, spirit, that he would walk with God, etc. He woke up and started cussing at me--different accents and voices cussing me out. Now, you make your own conclusion to that.

After he had tried to choke me to death on three separate occasions, I took my two children and left for a shelter. He seemed to sense that I was leaving, had even gotten out his hunting rifle and threatened to kill himself, but didn't.

He got a good lawyer and they "proved" in court that I was not sane. He brought in pieces of my prayer journal and the judge and others there were aghast that I talked to the Lord and expected the Lord to talk back to me.
He managed to take both of my children from me, but later the judge gave me full custody of my daughter, who is now a beautiful 13 year old.

This so-called husband of mine, who is now an ex-husband, re-married a young girl soon after he divorced me (yes, he filed for divorce, I only left the home). He mistreated this young girl and her children worse than he treated me. They had a baby girl together. They are now divorced, and the mother received full custody of their child. Does that tell you something?

Some people are evil and are not capable of holding together their side of the marriage because they are hateful and will stop at nothing.

When King Saul wanted to kill David, David had enough sense to hide in a cave. He did not say, "oh, I think I will just be nice to Saul until he comes around." There is a time to stay, love, nurture----and if it becomes an evil war....there is a time to let go and go on with life.

I am re-married to a wonderful man. It takes a lot of nerve for someone to lallygag a bible around and say that he's not really my husband and I am an adulteress. God forgives and forgets. God knows I made some mistakes but that I was clinging to Him to get me through the nightmares. He got me through. GOD got me through.

We've all heard the stories of miraculous love, where people repented and there marriages, with work, love, and prayer, were healed.....that's great and I believe that happens the majority of the time. But there are exceptions.
When there are exceptions....we as christians should not judge. Especially if we've never been through spousal or child abuse.

Thank you.
 
I am sorry to say that (at least here in the south), baptist pastors will not back, support, or pray for women who come forth with the fact that the spouse is abusing. I have also found them not willing to confront the man.
Especially if the man formerly came to his church or they were friends. I'm sorry. This is life here in the Bible Belt. I'm not saying Jesus condones it, I'm just saying that's the way it is around here. But in a church run by Jesus Christ, the abuser would be confronted and stopped in his hurting of wife and/or children. God is good. Sometimes people are not good. Even church people. Thanks.
 
I have a serious theological problem with the website as posted by Delicate, namely as summed up by the bottom line:

"The Bottom Line

Until we hate divorce as God hates it in Malachi, the Church is on an opposing side, fighting God! God does not allow divorce and remarriage for anyone! It is not within His revealed, permissible will. All the wishful thinking to the contrary, no matter how much it disagrees with what is commonly taught and practiced, regardless of how it may limit our own choices, it is strictly forbidden by the Word of God under any circumstances."

I`d like to ask the same question as Rev. Wilcox asks in his summation “Really…Did God really say…?” (Genesis 3:1 NLT)

Until someone can further convince me this is any more than some man-(not theo) logical distortion of Gods Word I`m removing the link.
 
Delicate said:

When Matthew 19:9 gives the 'exception' of fornication, he is writing to primarily a Jewish culture. It was the Jewish culture that understood that Jesus was talking about the betrothal custom in this verse. During the betrothal period (of about 1 year), if the bride-to-be were found to not be a virgin, she could be divorced or 'put away'. This is the ONLY time Jesus allowed divorce.

Sexual immorality in Matthew is translated fornication in the KJV. Fornication by some has been misinterpreted as being intercourse before marriage during the betrothal period. Of course this is not true because we know that Jesus is quoting Deuteronomy 24 here which refers to divorce after the consummation of marriage.
 
On the subject of divorce

Divorce has become common in the church for a couple of reasons. Addictions to drugs, alcohol, and pornography are a major cause. The addicted person's spouse listens to well-intended but feeble promises to quit the addiction and puts up with the sick behavior for a long time. Finally , he/she decides "I've had it!" and bails out. If the addict refuses to seek professional help, I believe that he/she is guilty of infidelity because they have allowed the addiction to be more important than their marriage and, therefore, the spouse has every right to leave.

Another cause is living "in the flesh" in general. Worldly living has taken over the lives of many churchgoers. They do marriage on a trial basis. If it doesn't work out to their comfort and convenience, they file for divorce claiming "incompatibility". When the going gets rough, they get going....out the door. The sad thing is that they seem to think their reasons for divorce are legitimate, they've lost any sense of commitment in their lives. To them, being committed means hanging in there for a few hours or a few days. Long term committment is unimagineable. They are not committed to God, church, or family.

The church needs to stand up and be counted on this issue. Worldliness is stealing the salvation of many of our brothers and sisters. Also, whatever respect non-believers might have for us is being eroded because we are not, as a corporate body, practicing what we preach.

We need to pray that marriages within our congregations will be protected and then step out and do what we can to grow in maturity ourselves as husbands and wives and be leaders in that effort.


SLE
 
Just as a humorous aside, I don't worry about my ex-husband being my "first and only husband" since he was an atheist and lied about being a Christian to get me to marry him, and even admitted it openly. 20 years later, he's still a hateful little atheist so, I know where I'm going - I'll be seeing my second husband a beautiful Christian man who I will RECOGNIZE as my husband in heaven - and my ex won't even be there. I'm pretty sure God will recognize who's who. :love:
Love in Christ,
CaliFlower :rose:
 
When a non believer leaves his believing spouse... then the believer is not held responsible .... so once this happens and the believer files for divorce... Shes ok right?

If this is correct could someone provide me with the scripture that says so?

Thanks so much
 
Hi Jessid9, is this the verse you are looking for? 1 Corinthians 7:15

"But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace."

I don't know where you stand on filing for divorce, this is the only scripture I know that says the unbeliever may depart.
 
The church needs to stand up and be counted on this issue. Worldliness is stealing the salvation of many of our brothers and sisters. Also, whatever respect non-believers might have for us is being eroded because we are not, as a corporate body, practicing what we preach.
Amen SpiritLedEd , good post
 
I Corinthains 7

10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.

13 And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

To me it reads that God hates divorce (Malachai 2:16) and would prefer for a couple that no longer gets on to separate. However, Matthew 19 says that divorce is permitted but it was not so in the beginning :)

Hope this helps.
David
 
Thank you david your such a blessing brother :)

I know God hates divorce... and frankly I do too. Its all in Gods hands.

Merry Christmas :icon_cheesygrin:
 
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