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Why is everyone avoiding topics about the lgbt community?

catholina

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I have genuine questions about Christianity and the lgbt community. I would like to discuss this with someone instead of getting the thread shut down. I feel as tho people keep avoiding the question but i think this is something that’s necessary to talk about. My real name is alex and I’m a boy, regardless of the fact I’ve been born in a different body. What’s so wrong with that? Yes I realize God doesn’t make mistakes, but what about people who need glasses? Getting surgery and hormones is like a pair of glasses.
Im genuinely curious on what people have to say and in no way am I trying to cause drama or an argument I just believe this needs to be talked about.
 
I have genuine questions about Christianity and the lgbt community. I would like to discuss this with someone instead of getting the thread shut down. I feel as tho people keep avoiding the question but i think this is something that’s necessary to talk about. My real name is alex and I’m a boy, regardless of the fact I’ve been born in a different body. What’s so wrong with that? Yes I realize God doesn’t make mistakes, but what about people who need glasses? Getting surgery and hormones is like a pair of glasses.
Im genuinely curious on what people have to say and in no way am I trying to cause drama or an argument I just believe this needs to be talked about.
You are brave Alex I appreciate you
 
I'm not trying to be rude but you can't compare needing glasses to wanting to be a different sex.. needing glasses no where in the bible does it say that's a sin..but it does say men should not wear women's apparel. Just pray about it..God bless
 
I'm not trying to be rude but you can't compare needing glasses to wanting to be a different sex.. needing glasses no where in the bible does it say that's a sin..but it does say men should not wear women's apparel. Just pray about it..God bless
I'm a guy and I like wearing dresses is that ok? I feel comfortable in them and they're cute :)
 
I'm not trying to be rude but you can't compare needing glasses to wanting to be a different sex.. needing glasses no where in the bible does it say that's a sin..but it does say men should not wear women's apparel. Just pray about it..God bless
I think self expression is important. Why can’t a man wear skirts? I don’t see what’s wrong with it...
 
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What’s so wrong with that?
It's against the Pattern that God has set for His Creation.

But much, so very much around you is against the Pattern that God has set for His Creation. This is why the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (as found within the Pentecostal churches) is necessary for every human.

What’s so wrong with that?
Autognosticism.

Yes I realize God doesn’t make mistakes,
And yet there was a time when God said he made a mistake.

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.​
(Genesis 6:5-7 KJV)​

Alex, where do you look for Truth ??

Rhema
 
It's against the Pattern that God has set for His Creation.

But much, so very much around you is against the Pattern that God has set for His Creation. This is why the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (as found within the Pentecostal churches) is necessary for every human.


Autognosticism.


And yet there was a time when God said he made a mistake.

And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.​
(Genesis 6:5-7 KJV)​

Alex, where do you look for Truth ??

Rhema
through God. I pray every night. I don’t think he’d want me to hate myself like this.
 
EXACTLY, which why it pisses me off so much when women wear kilts.

Wait. What ??
You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material. Deuteronomy 22:11 (ESV) You shall not wear cloth of wool and linen mixed together.

I can garentee you very many people ignore this verse. why do you choose to pick out verses about men wearing woman garments but not look at verses like this?
 
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women and men can wear whatever they want
(It was a joke... Bug.)

Oi-vey.

women and men can wear whatever they want
So you identify as Christian but reject this Bible verse:

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;​
(1 Timothy 2:9 KJV)​

Okay ...

Rhema

Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?​
(1 Corinthians 11:14 KJV)​
 
I can garentee you very many people ignore this verse.
In truth, Alex, they don't ignore that verse, they just preach that it no longer applies under the New Covenant as something that has vanished away.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.​
(Hebrews 8:13 KJV)​

Rhema
 
I have genuine questions about Christianity and the lgbt community. I would like to discuss this with someone instead of getting the thread shut down. I feel as tho people keep avoiding the question but i think this is something that’s necessary to talk about. My real name is alex and I’m a boy, regardless of the fact I’ve been born in a different body. What’s so wrong with that? Yes I realize God doesn’t make mistakes, but what about people who need glasses? Getting surgery and hormones is like a pair of glasses.
Im genuinely curious on what people have to say and in no way am I trying to cause drama or an argument I just believe this needs to be talked about.

What does poor eyesight in this example have to do with mutilating your body to change genders? That is not a physical health issue. That's a spiritual/mental healthy issue whether anyone disagrees or not. It's not natural nor pure. Getting glasses for poor eyesight doesn't mutilate your body nor change your "identity".

This is real talk, don't expect sugar coated responses from me to be fair and up front. Just because society says it's ok, does not mean God says it's ok. God created you as either male or female. That's it. End of discussion. No one can debate the fact.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.


Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.


Here's a snippet of an article I just found for you:

In Galatians 5:16–17, Paul explains how the flesh fights against the Spirit and the Spirit fights against the flesh. This dichotomous tension does not suggest that we have split natures inside us warring against each other; rather, sarx refers to the whole person marked by the rebellion—the “corruptibility and mortality”—of this present evil age.7


This reflects the redemptive-historical reality between the old self, characterized by the flesh, and the new self, characterized by the Holy Spirit. This tension between flesh and Spirit is evidence of the overlap between the present evil age and the coming age. The flesh represents this wicked era and our position under the dominion of sin and death. The Spirit represents the coming age and our freedom from the power of sin and the law.8 In this overlap, aspects of both ages are present together.


The reality is that “the present evil age” (Galatians 1:4) has not passed away and the implications of sin and the “old man” linger. As redeemed believers, though we are being renewed and transformed day by day, we live nonetheless with the vestiges of our old self and with our distorted post-Fall image. Therefore, we must be vigilant in the midst of temptations. As Denny Burk and Heath Lambert put it so well, unlike Jesus, who had no sinful nature, we have a “landing pad” for those temptations that can quickly turn into sinful desire.9


Doing Battle with the Flesh


A spiritual battle is raging “between God’s Spirit and the impulse to sin.”10 This impulse no longer enslaves the believer, but it can still have an influence. We therefore face a daily fight. In Romans 8:13, Paul pleads with us: “If you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.”


Christ’s salvific work certainly has inaugurated a new era, but this new era is also not fully consummated—the already but not yet. We have been set free, but we must continue to persevere in the battle until that glorious and final day arrives. What does this mean for those who have a predisposition for—but daily mortify—same-sex sexual and romantic temptations?


We should recognize that predisposition is not equivalent to predetermination. In Romans 6:6–7, Paul writes that the individual by virtue of union with Christ is emancipated from the bondage of sin and fallen human nature: “We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. For one who has died has been set free from sin.”


This freedom from sin’s reign does not imply freedom from all sinning or a complete absence of temptations, but it is a decisive break with sin and a qualitative change in which our mind is less dark and our will is less rebellious. This new life is the sovereign work of God.


The Holy Spirit is the divine cause of our rebirth (John 3:5–6), and this freedom from sin is an act of God’s grace: “Sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace” (Rom 6:14). As John Piper explains, “Grace is not simply leniency when we have sinned. Grace is the enabling gift of God not to sin. Grace is power, not just pardon.”11

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In truth, Alex, they don't ignore that verse, they just preach that it no longer applies under the New Covenant as something that has vanished away.

In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.​
(Hebrews 8:13 KJV)​

Rhema
Bible Gateway Matthew 7 :: NIV. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
 
What does poor eyesight in this example have to do with mutilating your body to change genders? That is not a physical health issue. That's a spiritual/mental healthy issue whether anyone disagrees or not. It's not natural nor pure. Getting glasses for poor eyesight doesn't mutilate your body nor change your "identity".

This is real talk, don't expect sugar coated responses from me to be fair and up front. Just because society says it's ok, does not mean God says it's ok. God created you as either male or female. That's it. End of discussion. No one can debate the fact.

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.


Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


Deuteronomy 22:5
A woman shall not wear a man's garment, nor shall a man put on a woman's cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.


Here's a snippet of an article I just found for you:



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I can see your point. I really can.
here’s my problem.
Can I just say about a year ago I hated myself so much. I even tried to take my life a few times. But after I realized I was a boy I changed. Not right aways. But I don’t hate myself that much anymore and I don’t wanna die. Would God want me to go back to hating myself like that?
 
I can see your point. I really can.
here’s my problem.
Can I just say about a year ago I hated myself so much. I even tried to take my life a few times. But after I realized I was a boy I changed. Not right aways. But I don’t hate myself that much anymore and I don’t wanna die. Would God want me to go back to hating myself like that?
You are in the flesh - a natural person - and are under sin and a captive of spiritual darkness. But you are not alone as most people in the world are slaves to sin and blind to the gospel.
The challenge for you, Catholina and @Bug is to be set free from the bondage of sin like everybody else needs to (whether they are straight or queer or transgender or whatever).
ALL people must desire to become new creatures, new persons in the power of God by His Holy Spirit.
Then all the issues of sexuality and identity will be healed and made right by God who created us.

2Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Ephesians 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ! -
21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus,
22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,
23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
 
You are in the flesh - a natural person - and are under sin and a captive of spiritual darkness. But you are not alone as most people in the world are slaves to sin and blind to the gospel.
The challenge for you, Catholina and @Bug is to be set free from the bondage of sin like everybody else needs to (whether they are straight or queer or transgender or whatever).
ALL people must desire to become new creatures, new persons in the power of God by His Holy Spirit.
Then all the issues of sexuality and identity will be healed and made right by God who created us.

2Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

Ephesians 4:20 But that is not the way you learned Christ! -
21 assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus,
22 to put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires,
23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds,
24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
I feel the same way I want my chest gone and I wear a chest binder and it makes me more comfortable my friends call me different name and pronouns and it makes me comfortable
 
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