Why is it getting to be So Hard for Us as a “Body” to Warn People Of The Wrath That is To Come to be

[PloughBoy]

For, my brother and sisters in Christ who have not a hard copy of “ISBE” or a earlier handy copy of “Vines Dictionary of New Testament Words, that both shows the meaning of every sentence In The Original Text meaning in which many Greek words can have many different meaning although one word used in another language. And sometimes the contents in English is kinda different, and becomes rare.

Here is “ISBE” on the Bibllical meaning of “Sensual”.

Sensual - International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia

Sensual :: sen-shoo-al (psuchikos, animal, natural): Biblical psychology has no English equivalent for this Greek original. Man subject to the lower appetites

www.blueletterbible.org

May my brothers and sisters in Christ be confirmed in what they already know.

 

[Mister]

because God is love.

So true. God is love but God is not just love, He is much much more! Also, as a little child we should be open to relearn what love is, in truth, as exampled by Jesus and the Father's way, not by what the world teaches. God so loved the world that he gave...the love of the world wants and therefore takes! Let them take it all!

 

[God's Truth]

Is this not also words of Love?

30For we knowHim who said, “VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY.” And again, “THE LORD WILL JUDGE HIS PEOPLE.” 31It is a terrifying thingto fall into the hands of the livingGod.

If a person doesn't keep obeying it could be terrifying.

 

[God's Truth]

I wanted to continue posting here but today the flesh is weak and the spirit is willing. Matthew 26:40-41

Have a long day tommorow. Good night.

I hope to discuss more with you tomorrow. Good night!

 

[God's Truth]

I see your limitations concerning, the exhausted definitions of a word, especially concerning the “Biblical Text” translations but it is understandable as many others stumble concerning The Text of “Holy Scripture” for in which we all sometimes stumble.

You said love isn't a feeling. I am saying it is also a feeling.
You are the one who brought up sensuality in opposition to what I said.

 

[PloughBoy]

If a person doesn't keep obeying it could be terrifying.

Is “Mercy and Grace” earn? Are we to gain merit?

 

[God's Truth]

For, my brother and sisters in Christ who have not a hard copy of “ISBE” or a earlier handy copy of “Vines Dictionary of New Testament Words, that both shows the meaning of every sentence In The Original Text meaning in which many Greek words can have many different meaning although one word used in another language. And sometimes the contents in English is kinda different, and becomes rare.

Here is “ISBE” on the Bibllical meaning of “Sensual”.

Sensual - International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia

Sensual :: sen-shoo-al (psuchikos, animal, natural): Biblical psychology has no English equivalent for this Greek original. Man subject to the lower appetites

www.blueletterbible.org

Not sure what you think you disproved.

 

[God's Truth]

Is “Mercy and Grace” earn? Are we to gain merit?

We have to ask for mercy, we have to repent of our sins for grace.
You really don't believe that?

 

[Mister]

The reason “GOD” sent His only Son to Warn The Earth of “The Wrath” that is to come, “Warn Them, of Me” “REPENT”, “Saved Them From ME”!

Indeed.

“THE WRATH OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD”!

Nice timing for your posted question...last night, reading James 1 with Elle and Austin, we were talking about wrath of man James 1:20 YLT...so I says to them my thoughts: don't let your anger rule you, if you're right and justified in your anger, tell Father and let Him take care of you and it, for His wrath is kindled perfectly, its' coming once and for all ever one last time, give it to Him and walk away! now if you angry cuz you got caught or you should have gotten treated that way or what have you, tell that too to Father, lol and ask for mercy, correction and instruction!

“Jesus came to Save us From “GOD”!

Amen.

 

[God's Truth]

So true. God is love but God is not just love, He is much much more!

What is much more than love? Can you explain what you mean?

Also, as a little child we should be open to relearn what love is, in truth, as exampled by Jesus and the Father's way, not by what the world teaches. God so loved the world that he gave...the love of the world wants and therefore takes! Let them take it all!

Obeying God is the only way anyone will know what pure love is.

 

[GodB4Us]

But you are one of the persons who preach we are not saved by doing what Jesus says to do.

Au contraire .. I said we are to trust the Lord as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him and not look to ourselves to do it by the religious flesh or will power like keeping a commitment or promise to follow Him

Jesus says return to your first love by repenting of your sins, like you did in the beginning.

That call of repentance to return to your first love is referring to those who have gone astray thinking they can receive the Holy Ghost again apart from salvation after certain sensational signs in the flesh like speaking in tongues for private use, or slain in the spirit or holy laughter movement and the likes. Returning to your first love in that regards means repenting from chasing after seducing spirits and doctrines of devils and keep your eyes on the Son aka the Bridegroom because He will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ, thus departing from the iniquity of committing spiritual fornication & adultery for chasing after seducing spirits for a sign; hence their second love. Matthew 12:39-40

You preach against repenting of sins to get saved and to stay saved.

I preach that if any sinner has a hard time repenting from all sins because of that religious hurdle of repenting from all sins before coming to Jesus, then I would say believe in Jesus Christ that He will deliver you from your bondage to sins and to death because that is what He came to do.. to save sinners not just from their sins, but to give them eternal life by simply believing in Him hat He will do this.

You preach man. You preach self salvation by YOU repenting from all sins FIRST before any one can be saved by Jesus Christ and yet Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners, of whom Paul says he was chief..

Come on, man! Where was Saul's repentance before he became known as Paul? Did he repent first before Jesus appeared to him? No. Did Saul believed in Him afterwards when a disciple was sent to him to pray for him that he would receive his sight and the Holy Ghost? Did the disciple made sure he had repented from killing Christians before laying hands on him? How is that not evidence that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners from heir sins and not just give them eternal life for believing in Him?

Let's put it to you in this way;.... if a sinner can repent from all sins before being saved by Jesus Christ, then why aren't sinners doing that now without ever believing in Jesus Christ?

1 Timothy 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

How do you apply the above verses to mean if sinners were to repent from all sins first before coming to & believing in Jesus Christ to be saved because that would mean we were not saved by grace when it involves the work you insists that all sinners must repent from all sins first in order to be saved by Jesus Christ.

After sinners are saved, then they start running that race daily by looking to Jesus Christ to help them lay aside every weight & sin in walking in the light in fellowship with the Father & the Son to be fruitful as His disciples & being ready to go when the Bridegroom comes.

I am not saying not to repent from sins, but I am saying for habitual sinners out there that have tried to quit sinning and could not, that they are to come to Jesus Christ anyway because that is His job to destroy the work of the devil in our lives so we can follow Him as His disciples.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

To make sure you are reading this; Whose work is it to destroy the work of the devil in our lives above? Answer please.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...
11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Again, who began the good work in you? You repenting from all sins first or did He saved you when you believed in Him to be saved? And Who will finish that work? You or Him?

2 Timothy 4:18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Who shall deliver you from every evil work? You or Him? Who will preserve you unto His heavenly kingdom? You or Him? Do you trust Him to do it as God or not?

That is why it is written simply that the just shall live by faith... in Him and His New Covenant to us that He will do this. When I see His commandment, I go to Him to help me to do it. That's faith in Him applied. Where is yours?

 

[GodB4Us]

There's going to be no "until" about it.
God calls out many who won't go to heaven and that's just a partial list. The time and line for repentance will end and by then those who mocked and spit in His face will be forever separated from God.

Once they are saved, that foundation has been laid, correct? So if any work that denies Him for why they became former believers that would deny Him, be it that false science, the evolution theory or whatever, He will deny them but according to this faithful saying in verse 13 of 2 Timothy 2:11-13, He is faithful for He still abides and that means in those left behind as denied by Him for being in iniquity that denies Him Titus 1:16 & Matthew 7:21-23 & Luke 13:24-30, but those left behind are still called His servants for why they will be getting stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge they did not have for not being ready but they are getting stripes as His servants ( Luke 12:40-49 ) because when they are resurrected after the great tribulation, those stripes will have driven those iniquity(ies) out of them to never do that again while serving the King of kings on earth during the millennial reign of Christ.

 

[Mister]

What is much more than love? Can you explain what you mean?

I can name a few attributes which I think are distinct yet not conflicting from His love. Holy (thrice over), righteous, just, immutable, cannot deny Himself, is Spirit, is One, truth, life, Creator, infinite, self-existent. I think a full acknowledgement of his attributes would serve everyone well.

 

[God's Truth]

Au contraire .. I said we are to trust the Lord as our Good Shepherd to help us to follow Him and not look to ourselves to do it by the religious flesh or will power like keeping a commitment or promise to follow Him

What?!!! What does that mean?! What do you mean we are to trust the Lord to help us to follow him and NOT look to ourselves to do it by the "religious flesh"? And what do you mean and not by the will power like keeping a commitment or promise?!

Those are two separate questions about things you said.

I have to go and hopefully can be back soon to finish replying to the rest of your post.

 

[God's Truth]

I can name a few attributes which I think are distinct yet not conflicting from His love. Holy (thrice over), righteous, just, immutable, cannot deny Himself, is Spirit, is One, truth, life, Creator, infinite, self-existent. I think a full acknowledgement of his attributes would serve everyone well.

How do you get that those "attributes" are different than God's love? Please answer and use scripture if you can. Thanks.

 

[Mister]

How do you get that those "attributes" are different than God's love? Please answer and use scripture if you can. Thanks.

I'll try.

Some more: Sovereign, immortal, dwells in unapproachable light, His glory, His honor, He sits on the throne, and invisible...(ESV or Berean Study)
1 Tim 6:15-17; which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.
1 Tim 1:17; To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

We could approach is deductively by starting with what love is, then subtract which of those attributes may not be under its umbrella. 1 Cor 13:4-8: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

I am so glad I know of His other attributes. [and why do you put the word 'attributes' into quotations?] I think it takes more than love to understand and know GOD, although GOD is love.

Some more:
He is, was, and will be. That's another part of His nature. HE just IS!

 

[MedicBravo]

Once they are saved, that foundation has been laid, correct? So if any work that denies Him for why they became former believers that would deny Him, be it that false science, the evolution theory or whatever, He will deny them but according to this faithful saying in verse 13 of 2 Timothy 2:11-13, He is faithful for He still abides and that means in those left behind as denied by Him for being in iniquity that denies Him Titus 1:16 & Matthew 7:21-23 & Luke 13:24-30, but those left behind are still called His servants for why they will be getting stripes per the knowledge they had for not being ready lesser stripes for the lack of knowledge they did not have for not being ready but they are getting stripes as His servants ( Luke 12:40-49 ) because when they are resurrected after the great tribulation, those stripes will have driven those iniquity(ies) out of them to never do that again while serving the King of kings on earth during the millennial reign of Christ.

Maybe. False Converts were never saved to begin with. If their fruits after the fact do not line up with God then they never truly asked God for forgiveness and therefore He never gave it.
The ones who did the motions and words but only go to church one a month and on a few holidays while giving poor excuses.
Those you wouldn't know were Christian if they told you b/c you can easily see no change.
Those that realize their sins are more precious but scared to change or realize the truth.
Change MUST happen in the new Christian.

 

[God's Truth]

I'll try.

Some more: Sovereign, immortal, dwells in unapproachable light, His glory, His honor, He sits on the throne, and invisible...(ESV or Berean Study)
1 Tim 6:15-17; which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.
1 Tim 1:17; To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

We could approach is deductively by starting with what love is, then subtract which of those attributes may not be under its umbrella. 1 Cor 13:4-8: Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.

I am so glad I know of His other attributes. [and why do you put the word 'attributes' into quotations?] I think it takes more than love to understand and know GOD, although GOD is love.

Some more:
He is, was, and will be. That's another part of His nature. HE just IS!

I do no see how you have proven those things are not love, or should I say different attributes, as you have said.

 

[God's Truth]

That call of repentance to return to your first love is referring to those who have gone astray thinking they can receive the Holy Ghost again apart from salvation after certain sensational signs in the flesh like speaking in tongues for private use, or slain in the spirit or holy laughter movement and the likes.

What? That doesn't make sense. I gave you scripture from the Bible and you talk about unbiblical things.

The people started sinning and Jesus warns them to repent of their sins.

Returning to your first love in that regards means repenting from chasing after seducing spirits and doctrines of devils and keep your eyes on the Son aka the Bridegroom because He will be coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ, thus departing from the iniquity of committing spiritual fornication & adultery for chasing after seducing spirits for a sign; hence their second love. Matthew 12:39-40

Didn't you even read the the chapter in Revelations that says to return to your first love by repenting of your SINS, like MURDER, and worshipping demons and idols and sexual immorality, and stealing.

It does NOT say what you said.


Revelation 9:20 The rest of mankind who were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.

21 Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.

 

[God's Truth]

I preach that if any sinner has a hard time repenting from all sins because of that religious hurdle of repenting from all sins before coming to Jesus, then I would say believe in Jesus Christ that He will deliver you from your bondage to sins and to death because that is what He came to do.. to save sinners not just from their sins, but to give them eternal life by simply believing in Him hat He will do this.

If a person does NOT REPENT of their SINS, then they cannot be saved.

You preach man. You preach self salvation by YOU repenting from all sins FIRST before any one can be saved by Jesus Christ and yet Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners, of whom Paul says he was chief..

Jesus says to repent of sins, so does the apostle Paul.
Paul didn't remain doing the things of a chief of sinners!

Luke 13:3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.

Acts 26:20 First to those in Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and to the Gentiles also, I preached that they should repent and turn to God and prove their repentance by their deeds.

Come on, man! Where was Saul's repentance before he became known as Paul? Did he repent first before Jesus appeared to him? No.

He wasn't saved yet on that road to Damascus.

Did Saul believed in Him afterwards when a disciple was sent to him to pray for him that he would receive his sight and the Holy Ghost? Did the disciple made sure he had repented from killing Christians before laying hands on him? How is that not evidence that Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners from heir sins and not just give them eternal life for believing in Him?

Jesus said to go to Saul for HE IS PRAYING.

Let's put it to you in this way;.... if a sinner can repent from all sins before being saved by Jesus Christ, then why aren't sinners doing that now without ever believing in Jesus Christ?

Because they love their sins more than God. That is what God says as to why.