Why is this not being taught in Church?

[Samson2020]

I have a hard time understanding how any born again christian can tolerate what is being taught in the denominational houses today. The lack of understanding and the constant money grab. They think it's their congregations responsibility to save the world, so give us your money to get that done, when that parts already been taken care of.

In my opinion they are there to stop you from progressing any further into your inheritance in the Lord. That is why John warned against the deceivers and told us to listen and LEARN from the Holy Ghost and not a man. As he, the Spirit of Truth, teaches the truth you are separated from the rest whom have not the Spirit within or are trapped within the organizations. Great test is to take something that without a doubt is a false teaching of the organization and come against it and out you go within a few minutes. They want to preach their own message and hear not the truth because it causes them discomfort, and oh my Lord I could never have been wrong or deceived they would say.
Take the Rapture crap for instance, the majority want to escape the tribulation and believe they will but the bible is clear that the gathering will not happen until
after the opening of the 6th seal compare that to Matthew 24:29 (RED LETTERS THAT SAY "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS"). It proves it will be AFTER the tribulation period.
But this would require possible suffering on their part. How could GOD do this to them? Ask Jesus it happened to him.
"And they loved not their lives unto death" so who really cares when the gathering occurs as we are changed and no longer human were fine right here in the middle of it. Think about it. And as Paul would say "for me to die is gain" what better way than preaching the gospel in service to God. These houses have their children convinced that God wil not allow any harm to come to them but the 144,000 are those who "LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH" I would presume in the service of the Lord as I'm sure they already lost their earthly desires and had their eyes fixed on their heavenly home long ago. So they preach a message here that would cause you to run from the final requirement to be one of the 144,000, in effect eliminating you from being part of the group. Consider!


And a short note to Sue. When you say that you have accepted Jesus into your heart therefore you are saved. That is blatant self righteousness. He chooses you, you do NOT choose him. And if this is what your group teaches RUN........... as all that will be there are religious captives, slaves to the organization. Said as a warning. Any attempt at righteousness other than God gave me, usually starts with the letter I and ends with it was my choice.

 

[spiriteddove05]

Read post #44 I answered that with Sue.

And to Sue and SD I would say this one thing. If you have been deceived into believing that you already have something that you can't see, then why would you ask for it? And as the Lord has told us "Ye have not because ye ask not" ASK, ASK, ASK, and ASK again if what you have in your walk doesn't line up with what scripture says a true believer will do. Forget the group activity and consider those things dross as Paul did for a real back and forth relationship requires communication on both parties part, so if you can't HEAR HIM then there is no relationship.

I was in your shoes once myself! I know what I'm speaking about!

not sure I catch ur drift, and me and sue.D are not in the same category!! no digs intended!! its a clear cut question man!! bible states clearly, about people receiving the holy ghost, too many verses 2 add right now, mark 16:17 acts 2:19 and john 16:8 the holy spirit will testify of "himself" and my life does reflect it man I do have spiritual gifts from the father one of them is tongues not 2 blow my own trumpet but just specifying!!

you ether have the holy ghost or u don't, romans 8:9-10 does without the spirit are not mine!!

 

[spiriteddove05]

I have a hard time understanding how any born again christian can tolerate what is being taught in the denominational houses today. The lack of understanding and the constant money grab. They think it's their congregations responsibility to save the world, so give us your money to get that done, when that parts already been taken care of.

In my opinion they are there to stop you from progressing any further into your inheritance in the Lord. That is why John warned against the deceivers and told us to listen and LEARN from the Holy Ghost and not a man. As he, the Spirit of Truth, teaches the truth you are separated from the rest whom have not the Spirit within or are trapped within the organizations. Great test is to take something that without a doubt is a false teaching of the organization and come against it and out you go within a few minutes. They want to preach their own message and hear not the truth because it causes them discomfort, and oh my Lord I could never have been wrong or deceived they would say.
Take the Rapture crap for instance, the majority want to escape the tribulation and believe they will but the bible is clear that the gathering will not happen until
after the opening of the 6th seal compare that to Matthew 24:29 (RED LETTERS THAT SAY "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS"). It proves it will be AFTER the tribulation period.
But this would require possible suffering on their part. How could GOD do this to them? Ask Jesus it happened to him.
"And they loved not their lives unto death" so who really cares when the gathering occurs as we are changed and no longer human were fine right here in the middle of it. Think about it. And as Paul would say "for me to die is gain" what better way than preaching the gospel in service to God. These houses have their children convinced that God wil not allow any harm to come to them but the 144,000 are those who "LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH" I would presume in the service of the Lord as I'm sure they already lost their earthly desires and had their eyes fixed on their heavenly home long ago. So they preach a message here that would cause you to run from the final requirement to be one of the 144,000, in effect eliminating you from being part of the group. Consider!


And a short note to Sue. When you say that you have accepted Jesus into your heart therefore you are saved. That is blatant self righteousness. He chooses you, you do NOT choose him. And if this is what your group teaches RUN........... as all that will be there are religious captives, slaves to the organization. Said as a warning. Any attempt at righteousness other than God gave me, usually starts with the letter I and ends with it was my choice.

Amen!! I agree wiv dat, church buildings these days are like swamps people go their and get stuck in them, and they turn the church into a merchandise just like it says in 2 pet 2:1-3 go st8t 2 the source I say jer 29:13 its a relationship he wants between u and him!!

 

[Bill]

Bill,

Please re-read post 29 again and see if you find the word LOVE in the post. The answer was there just maybe not drawn out enough to encompass all your thoughts.

My friend . I saw the love in you before i read your message.

All of you here , please . The messages i often write are what comes to me from the Spirit . I know that some is difficult to recieve at times . I understand about teachings that have changed over the years . Some almost forgotten and others added . The Devil has been working strongly to decieve many . Because the time is at hand . Very soon now some things will happen . All those things like time lines preachers have been pushing are all off .

I pray for all of you daily .

Gods Love must envelope all of who you are . Be in love with God . Please

 

[Bill]

not sure I catch ur drift, and me and sue.D are not in the same category!! no digs intended!! its a clear cut question man!! bible states clearly, about people receiving the holy ghost, too many verses 2 add right now, mark 16:17 acts 2:19 and john 16:8 the holy spirit will testify of "himself" and my life does reflect it man I do have spiritual gifts from the father one of them is tongues not 2 blow my own trumpet but just specifying!!

you ether have the holy ghost or u don't, romans 8:9-10 does without the spirit are not mine!!

Is there a limit to the Gifts of the Holy Spirit ? Does God Have a Limit ? Lol

 

[Bill]

I have a hard time understanding how any born again christian can tolerate what is being taught in the denominational houses today. The lack of understanding and the constant money grab. They think it's their congregations responsibility to save the world, so give us your money to get that done, when that parts already been taken care of.

In my opinion they are there to stop you from progressing any further into your inheritance in the Lord. That is why John warned against the deceivers and told us to listen and LEARN from the Holy Ghost and not a man. As he, the Spirit of Truth, teaches the truth you are separated from the rest whom have not the Spirit within or are trapped within the organizations. Great test is to take something that without a doubt is a false teaching of the organization and come against it and out you go within a few minutes. They want to preach their own message and hear not the truth because it causes them discomfort, and oh my Lord I could never have been wrong or deceived they would say.
Take the Rapture crap for instance, the majority want to escape the tribulation and believe they will but the bible is clear that the gathering will not happen until
after the opening of the 6th seal compare that to Matthew 24:29 (RED LETTERS THAT SAY "IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS"). It proves it will be AFTER the tribulation period.
But this would require possible suffering on their part. How could GOD do this to them? Ask Jesus it happened to him.
"And they loved not their lives unto death" so who really cares when the gathering occurs as we are changed and no longer human were fine right here in the middle of it. Think about it. And as Paul would say "for me to die is gain" what better way than preaching the gospel in service to God. These houses have their children convinced that God wil not allow any harm to come to them but the 144,000 are those who "LOVED NOT THEIR LIVES UNTO DEATH" I would presume in the service of the Lord as I'm sure they already lost their earthly desires and had their eyes fixed on their heavenly home long ago. So they preach a message here that would cause you to run from the final requirement to be one of the 144,000, in effect eliminating you from being part of the group. Consider!


And a short note to Sue. When you say that you have accepted Jesus into your heart therefore you are saved. That is blatant self righteousness. He chooses you, you do NOT choose him. And if this is what your group teaches RUN........... as all that will be there are religious captives, slaves to the organization. Said as a warning. Any attempt at righteousness other than God gave me, usually starts with the letter I and ends with it was my choice.

You have to Choose God . God doesnt make robots . You choose to either do good or not do good . When Jesus gave to Peter the keys of the kingdom . He said , " what You choose " .

Judas as well . One who's name was written in Heaven . <<<< Jesus said this .

And Judas chose another path

Jesus died on the cross for all . But we still have to choose to rscieve that free gift

 

[Samson2020]

No offense intended but when I received the Holy Ghost I don't remember him asking me if I wanted it. And in hind sight I wouldn't have a clue as to what to say because I wouldn't have had the knowledge to make an informed decision. Now on the other hand the answer would be yes without a doubt. But you will never get around "I chose you, you did not choose me." Unless you would argue that the choices come after the infilling which has happened and were told that we should let them go for destruction of the body but nevertheless the soul will be saved.

So in your opinion what happens to those who don't choose to receive the FREE GIFT?

 

[Bill]

No offense intended but when I received the Holy Ghost I don't remember him asking me if I wanted it. And in hind sight I wouldn't have a clue as to what to say because I wouldn't have had the knowledge to make an informed decision. Now on the other hand the answer would be yes without a doubt. But you will never get around "I chose you, you did not choose me." Unless you would argue that the choices come after the infilling which has happened and were told that we should let them go for destruction of the body but nevertheless the soul will be saved.

So in your opinion what happens to those who don't choose to receive the FREE GIFT?

Think of a Christmas present or birthday present . The gifts are free . But you still have to recieve them .

If i set a gift at your door . All wrapped up with a bow on top . Would you never open it . Would you just kick it to the curb . Or would you take it into your home , unwrap and enjoy it .

The same is that of Christs Free Gift . Because there are many , who even though they know the gift is for them will never take it . Yet others will recieve and cherish it , And yet others who recieve it , then set it on a shelf for all to look at - though they themselves never bother to

 

[Samson2020]

Point taken but this is why God eventually shows everybody what was inside the box when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. Then during the second death when the free gift is given they will be somewhat more driven to obtain their inheritance because they have seen the reward, however those whom have seen in order to believe are less blessed that those who did not have to see to believe, so their reward is lessened. Similar to the two fold blessing of the first born.

 

[Bill]

No offense intended but when I received the Holy Ghost I don't remember him asking me if I wanted it. And in hind sight I wouldn't have a clue as to what to say because I wouldn't have had the knowledge to make an informed decision. Now on the other hand the answer would be yes without a doubt. But you will never get around "I chose you, you did not choose me." Unless you would argue that the choices come after the infilling which has happened and were told that we should let them go for destruction of the body but nevertheless the soul will be saved.

So in your opinion what happens to those who don't choose to receive the FREE GIFT?

Will you understand me ?

There was once an Atheist who couldnt understand anything Christian . In his life he was sinful . Women , blasphemous , all manner of wickedness .

Then one day while traveling in the Mideast, an attack on a group of civilians takes place . A man throws a hangernade into the crowd .

Without a thought for himself , he jumps onto it It explodes and kills him .

He never knew Jesus , all his life rejected all Gods teachings . Why then is that man in Paradise.?

I will tell you . The greatest gift you can give is to lay down your life for another . In that singular moment that man was saved by his actions .something he chose to do.

 

[rhern53]

Were they only written for the Jews ? What about tithing ? What about many fundimental practices many churches use , all have come from old testiment teaching .

Let me ask you this . Is the Word of God limited to time ?

Bill here are the answers to your questions, lengthy because it's complicated . please respond after you have read it.

You are correct God is not limited. He can see the beginning and the end in an instant when it comes to people.
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Jews:
In the 2nd coming, The Lord will be established as King of His Kingdom. The 12 apostles will judge the 12 tribes as Jesus told them Matthew 19:28

people will be call from all over the earth to come and worship the King Zechariah 14:16

Isaiah 2 King James Version (KJV)
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 3:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

As for Christians, we are part of Body of Christ and He is the Head of the Body. Christian are not included with those of the circumcision.

Our destiny is Heaven to be co inheritors with Christ our Lord.

Tithing:
Tithing is Old Testament contributions to support those whose primary duty was to maintain the tabernacle and the temple.
The total responsibility was given to the Tribe of Levi.
It was considered a full time job therefore the remaining eleven tribes gave tithes to support them.

The Levitical priesthood began with Aaron, the older brother of Moses

Jesus is High Priest under Melchizedek. a Holy Priest and not from the human priesthood

Paul collected from christian gathering groups to send to Jerusalem to support the increasing number of believers.
James, 1/2 brother of Jesus was the leader of the Jews, believers in Christ in Jerusalem.

Romans 15:
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.


The reason the Jewish group kept increasing in number with everyone selling everything they had, was because they believed the 2nd coming could be any day. The King of the Kingdom is coming.

Today, Preachers, the Seminary have been brain washed; they use tithing, like the Catholic Church to support their conglomeration.
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not Tithes but contributions
Romans 15:
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

1 Timothy 5:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

But members should not be forced but they should give willingly, what ever they can, as they please, even 100%

 

[Bill]

Point taken but this is why God eventually shows everybody what was inside the box when every knee shall bow and every tongue confess. Then during the second death when the free gift is given they will be somewhat more driven to obtain their inheritance because they have seen the reward, however those whom have seen in order to believe are less blessed that those who did not have to see to believe, so their reward is lessened. Similar to the two fold blessing of the first born.

You are very close . Would you believe me if i told you , i have seen people stand before God's throne . Seeing thier salvation and Still choose hell.

 

[Samson2020]

Bill,

If he was never born of the spirit and gone through the process of salvation he is just a dead man until the second resurrection. You are basing his trip to paradise on his own righteousness. Wrong answer! You must be born of water and the spirit to see the Kingdom, And without the Spirit ye are NONE OF HIS.

 

[Samson2020]

I WOULD NOT AS THERE IS NOTHING THAT I KNOW OF THAT SUPPORTS SUCH NONSENSE. GOD BEING THE ONE WHO DEVISED THIS PLAN NEVER ALLOWED FOR YOUR CHOICES TO CAUSE FAILURE OF HIS PLAN. THEREFORE HE WON'T ALLOW FAILURE OF HIS PLAN DUE TO YOUR CHOICES.

 

[Samson2020]

To add to that if they were not born of the Spirit in the first place, while alive, they're next opportunity to receive won't happen until at least 1000 plus years from now. And that is scriptural. But if your one of the hell fire and brimstone guys who read that part as literal then were not gonna get too far. For those who read it carnally and not spiritually don't have a clue whats coming. It's all fear mongering and they cannot see the Love of God in it, nor the purpose of it.

 

[Samson2020]

If their name is not written in the Lambs book of life there is no choice, It's either in it or it isn't

 

[Bill]

Bill here are the answers to your questions, lengthy because it's complicated . please respond after you have read it.

You are correct God is not limited. He can see the beginning and the end in an instant when it comes to people.
===
Jews:
In the 2nd coming, The Lord will be established as King of His Kingdom. The 12 apostles will judge the 12 tribes as Jesus told them Matthew 19:28

people will be call from all over the earth to come and worship the King Zechariah 14:16

Isaiah 2 King James Version (KJV)
1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 3:17 King James Version (KJV)
17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

As for Christians, we are part of Body of Christ and He is the Head of the Body. Christian are not included with those of the circumcision.

Our destiny is Heaven to be co inheritors with Christ our Lord.

Tithing:
Tithing is Old Testament contributions to support those whose primary duty was to maintain the tabernacle and the temple.
The total responsibility was given to the Tribe of Levi.
It was considered a full time job therefore the remaining eleven tribes gave tithes to support them.

The Levitical priesthood began with Aaron, the older brother of Moses

Jesus is High Priest under Melchizedek. a Holy Priest and not from the human priesthood

Paul collected from christian gathering groups to send to Jerusalem to support the increasing number of believers.
James, 1/2 brother of Jesus was the leader of the Jews, believers in Christ in Jerusalem.

Romans 15:
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.


The reason the Jewish group kept increasing in number with everyone selling everything they had, was because they believed the 2nd coming could be any day. The King of the Kingdom is coming.

Today, Preachers, the Seminary have been brain washed; they use tithing, like the Catholic Church to support their conglomeration.
===
not Tithes but contributions
Romans 15:
25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

27 It hath pleased them verily; and their debtors they are. For if the Gentiles have been made partakers of their spiritual things, their duty is also to minister unto them in carnal things.

1 Timothy 5:5 King James Version (KJV)
5 Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.

But members should not be forced but they should give willingly, what ever they can, as they please, even 100%

You are close . But you are a little to literal in your understanding .

Jesus scolded the Pharisees over following the letter of the Law over the spirit of the Law .

As ive told others in the past . The Bible has many layers . In this case there is a Literal understanding and a Spiritual understanding. And thankfully the Lord wanted us to really grasp this about Circumcision. A physical circumcision is not a guarantee to Heaven . But its not the physical one that God seeks . It is the Circumcision of your heart he wants

 

[Bill]

I WOULD NOT AS THERE IS NOTHING THAT I KNOW OF THAT SUPPORTS SUCH NONSENSE. GOD BEING THE ONE WHO DEVISED THIS PLAN NEVER ALLOWED FOR YOUR CHOICES TO CAUSE FAILURE OF HIS PLAN. THEREFORE HE WON'T ALLOW FAILURE OF HIS PLAN DUE TO YOUR CHOICES.

Can you elaborate on your thoughts

 

[Bill]

If their name is not written in the Lambs book of life there is no choice, It's either in it or it isn't

Its written in the Scriptures . Easy to find .

1 ) Jesus states a house divided against itself can not stand . ( in reguards to casting out devils )

2) Jesus sends the disciples out to the towns , Judias Iscariot's full name is listed among those sent

3) Upon returning the Apostles excited exclaimed even the demons obeyed us .

4) Jesus said to them , dont rejoice in these things , instead , rejoice your names are written in heaven

5) Judas chooses to betray Jesus

6) Jesus says it would have been better if he had never been born

7) God can not create falsehood . Can not create imperfection Can not create sin

8) as a baby Judas was born perfect in Gods eyes .

 

[Bill]

To add to that if they were not born of the Spirit in the first place, while alive, they're next opportunity to receive won't happen until at least 1000 plus years from now. And that is scriptural. But if your one of the hell fire and brimstone guys who read that part as literal then were not gonna get too far. For those who read it carnally and not spiritually don't have a clue whats coming. It's all fear mongering and they cannot see the Love of God in it, nor the purpose of it.

I think i asked you this before . Scripture states of the Two Witnesses, fire will come from thier mouths , and kill thier enemies .

What is the Fire ?

Do you not know ? The fire is The Word of God . And the Word of God is like a Fire in them