Women and equality

[Christ4Ever]

The thread may make some women angry. We men have become afraid to talk about this, but lately a lot of verses have come to my attention.
And I have to wonder, did God really create men and women the same?

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

We were not created the same. Have you noticed in the most blessed marriages that each is a complementary part to the other?

Genesis 2:20 ".......but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

I could go on but, sadly you requested replies from women

In so saying.......I bow out my brother in Christ.:butler:
C4E
1 John 1:7

 

[alisonangel]

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

We were not created the same. Have you noticed in the most blessed marriages that each is a complementary part to the other?

Genesis 2:20 ".......but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him."

I could go on but, sadly you requested replies from women

In so saying.......I bow out my brother in Christ.:butler:
C4E
1 John 1:7

Notice that Eve is the ''help meet'' almost like an afterthought

 

[Christ4Ever]

Notice that Eve is the ''help meet'' almost like an afterthought

I notice that you say "almost like an afterthought. All in God's time Ally. Not our own.

Too often we attempt to define the ways of God with our own imperfect intellect. We are bound to fall short. Don't know about you, but I know I have in different times in my life, believed that I knew better then He does. :embarasse Rude awakening, when He has showed me His truth and not what I believed to be so.
C4E
Proverbs 27:17

 

[dannibear]

Notice that Eve is the ''help meet'' almost like an afterthought

Eve was not an afterthought since God is all-knowing, knowing our entire lives before we finish living them, or are even born. No, we were not created the same, but we are BOTH called His children and are BOTH loved by Abba Father. I would like to invite you to finish reading that account of Creation. Adam was told to name the animals. If he had not done that first, and not seen that the animals had a mate, he would not realize how he was missing one. He would not have realized how important Eve would be to him. She was not an afterthought, but a finishing touch. The fact that God goes from "It was good" to "It was very good" at the end of the day of her Creation proves this fact. Man made tradition and rules would like to dumb down a woman's abilities as seen in the treatment and view of women in the time Christ was born, but Christ's radical teachings set women free, including you and I.

 

[Chad]

The Bible is sexist when it talks about women.

Job 25:4:How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?

Ecclesiastes 7:26:And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart is snares and nets, and her hands as bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

Even the Tenth Commandment is directed at men only,with women been categorized with servants and animals.

Exodus 20:17:Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ***, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

the word ''his'' is mentioned 4 times!

And it does not say ''thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's husband''

It's clear you have a poor understanding of GOD's Word here. So I do recommend you humbly pray about it. Don't take it personal I'm pointing this out to you.

[h=3]2 Timothy 4:2[/h] Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.

Read this:
Is God / the Bible sexist?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

It seems to me that nationality,slavery and gender are "in Christ"optional.
Unless you are actually "in Christ",then they are no longer an option.

 

[alisonangel]

Dannibear,Why wasn't Eve created at the same time as Adam from the ''dust of the ground''?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Why wasn't Eve created at the same time as Adam from the ''dust of the ground''?

At the beginning everything was good until:
Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."


God made the animals for Adam and whatever Adam "called them" became their name.
We are not told how long Adam found comfort in the animals but they just were not fit or suitable so God made the woman from Adam.From this side of time it appears to be an after though,however since the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world she was already part of the divine plan to bring forth the seed (an unblemished Lamb) who's heel would crush the head of the seed of the serpent.

 

[alisonangel]

At the beginning everything was good until:
Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."


God made the animals for Adam and whatever Adam "called them" became their name.
We are not told how long Adam found comfort in the animals but they just were not fit or suitable so God made the woman from Adam.From this side of time it appears to be an after though,however since the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world she was already part of the divine plan to bring forth the seed (an unblemished Lamb) who's heel would crush the head of the seed of the serpent.

So Eve was an afterthought.

If not...

Why not make Eve at the same time as Adam? Why was she made differently?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Why not make Eve at the same time as Adam? Why was she made differently?

I have an answer but I will get rebuked if I post it.
peace

 

[alisonangel]

I have an answer but I will get rebuked if I post it.
peace

Well how can anyone have a discussion?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

Well how can anyone have a discussion?

You have to beat around the burning bush.

Clue:how can something unblemished come from something blemished(within the context of the Lamb of God that is)?

 

[alisonangel]

You have to beat around the burning bush.

Clue:how can something unblemished come from something blemished(within the context of the Lamb of God that is)?

What do you mean?

 

[Thiscrosshurts]

What do you mean?

Ok,that was not a very good clue.
This is from the "controlled fall" thread:

I think Adam was just stating a truth, not blaming Eve because my conjecture is that out of compassion for Eve, he was willing to die with her.

That's the romantic version and what I would want to believe if Adam were my son,but I think there is reasonable suspicion to consider that Adam was using Eve as a dupe and perhaps watched her closely as she ate.


The serpent was a beast of the field created by God and named by Adam.
A name is more than just identification it denotes character so Adam knew this serpent very well.


At the beginning everything was good until:
Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."


God made the animals for Adam and whatever Adam "called them" became their name.
The most cunning beast of the field could apparently talk and it pointed out the difference between them and God.
A difference that Adam knew because he felt "alone".
We are not told how long Adam found comfort in the animals and he apparently could talk to at least one of them.
I could suspect the serpent himself because the name serpent speaks of serpentine as in ,flexible,wavering or even doubting and questioning God's character.This serpent is not Satan the accuser though,he will make his appearance as the accuser in Adams accusation against God "the woman you gave me",and then further tries to distance himself from the matter by accusing Eve.


It's Adams response that bothers me as far as I know this is the very first accusation.
If Adam gave the animals their character then they are like a manifold projection of Adams character so it's possible the serpent(let not the waving man think he shall receive anything from God) was a reflection of something inside Adam.


Eve's disobedience was due to deception, for "Adam was not deceived",
I agree but whats worse being deceived or being a deceiver.




Everybody is so hard on Eve but God gives her seed the honor of crushing the serpents seed.


-------------------------------------------end

Being deceived is not rebellion.
Jesus is the seed of the woman born without a man involved.
There must be a reason Adams seed could not do the job.

 

[ImDani]

There is something that I disagree with with your comment. "Ego is just another of Satan's tolls". That is very very untrue. It's just human nature. How could ego ever possibly be a tool of Satan?

 

[B-A-C]

One trend that is interesting. I have noticed three things this month.
Women are now allowed to be in military combat.
There is a woman accepted to try out as a kicker for the NFL. (She is unlikely to make it, but I'm waiting for the lawsuits when she gets tackled) - Lauren Silberman
There is a woman who wants to box against men in the UFC boxing competitions. If a man brutally "knocks her out" (treats her like any other man in the ring) what will the feminists say?

There is also Danica Patrick, car racing against men, but I don't consider this the same, as she is not trying to physically compete with them.

(NASB) 1 Cor 6:9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

If God doesn't want men to be "girly-girly", then does he want women to be macho?

 

[james1523]

Prov 31:17 "17 She sets about her work vigorously;
her arms are strong for her tasks."

 

[ImDani]

What do you mean God doesn't want men to be "girly-girly"? What about men who are in fashion? Is that girly girly? No, society has labeled what is and isn't girly or macho. Danica Patrick is more than capable of racing. Racing is a physical sport. It's not just driving a race car. If a woman wants to be a kicker for the NFL let her do it. She knows what she's getting into, as is the women who want to be in combat. Do not be the person who counts women out just because of what society has said. Despite the great bounds women have made in history, there is a hard drive in men that screams She belongs in the kitchen. She needs to make the dinner. She needs to clean the house. She needs to take care of the kids. I need to be the breadwinner. I need to be the man of the house.

Woman and man are still the same thing. One has breasts, the other doesn't. One has a womb, the other doesn't. However, just because those things are different, doesn't mean that they can't do the same things. Maybe at different levels.

 

[Boanerges]

I tend to look at it this way:
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[james1523]

"nor effeminate"... means a catamite...basically an effeminate-looking small boy groomed for pedophilic purposes for an older man. An ancient Roman thing...it means those engaged in pedophilia, basically.

Jacob and Esau.. Jacob was a guy who liked to stay home and cook with his mommy. Esau a hairy warrior. God preferred Jacob.. I think. A