Yes, I am questioning the Judeo-Christian Bible in the 21st Century ......

[BrotherDThomas]

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@Rhema,

REFERENCING YOUR POST #59, YOUR QUOTE REGARDING 1 THESSALONIANS 2:13: "The book of Revelation wasn't penned when Paul wrote 1st Thessalonians 2:13 (neither were the gospels), so just how could Paul have meant the 27 books of the New Testament given to you by the Roman Catholics, in 367 AD at the earliest?"

Well, to support my theory, then how about this passage written in 60-65AD: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." (2 Peter 1:20-21)

Seemingly, the bottom line is that any scripture added at any given time to the Judeo-Christian Bible is still following 2 Peter 1:20-2 and/or 1 Thessalonians 2:13, therefore it does not matter that Paul was dead relative to the aforementioned passages.


YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "Most people here are not your enemy. Think of them as friends who have not quite learned everything yet (and go easy on them)."

Facetiously, I love your term of "most people" are not my enemies, where when I bring forth the topics that I have regarding Jesus' true MO, and as shown by certain members, they do not address them in a full manner, but bring forth scripture and rhetorical speech that is totally irrelative to the main content of said posts of mine. I can't help but to try and go easy on them as you proposed, because biblical axioms are what they are and that cannot be refuted!


Sidebar: NO I am not a Catholic who's hierarchy of their church covered up their Satanic priests pedophile actions towards innocent young girls and boys since the mid 1960's, with the burning in Hell as we speak Joseph Ratzinger being at the first controls of said coverups, of which made these children's lives pure hell! https://rapevictimsofthecatholicchu...7_10201996599069121_4177277204177350946_n.jpg


Rhema, thank you for your time.


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[Christ4Ever]

@Christ4Ever,


YOUR QUOTE IN NOT ACCEPTING LEVITY WITHIN THIS FORUM: "Secondly, to be blunt here. Are you unable to comprehend, or just haven't actually read what I have posted directly to you as it pertains to deletion of your content, the use of the "money changers" reference, or being banned in general? "

As I specifically stated, "IN JEST," Jesus would be banned if He acted in the manner of the Money-Changers within the temple! One cannot add a little bit of levity within this forum since the topics of mine are disturbing and seemingly deep? Really?


YOUR NOTION OF ME WANTING TO BE BANNED! : "Since being banned seems to be on your mind. Know that if you want to be. Why not just ask us to close your account and be done with it? This way you won't be bothered by these thoughts or by those who to this point have been unable to provide you with the clarity you are seeking."

ABSOLUTELY NOT, that is your unsupported rendition. I have stated before within this thread, I was banned at other forums because of my topics of our beloved Jesus' other side of His modus operandi in being very disturbing. Since this is a "Talk Jesus" forum in all aspects, I came here for hopefully logical appeasement in Jesus being in this manner! Therefore, you would be going against what you stated earlier if you banned me when I am talking to members upon this topic in a truthful and meaningful way.

With all due respect, I asked you to help myself and Garee with your biblical knowledge regarding the content of my post #56. Maybe you didn't see the statement of mine because I did not put the "@" sign before your names of which you told me about because of my ignorance. Thank you.


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Dear Member BrotherDThomas,
Not knowing you personally or seeing your use of levity when to me it appeared as sarcasm I must then apologize. If I may offer another helpful hint. Besides the LOL maybe an emoji at the end of the statement that if the words themselves don't necessarily reflect that its humorous, then the emoji might

On the banning part of it. Let's just say I give that warning to members who seem to not understand that it is not only content that is important or that would be cause for someone being banned. And so, my mentioning to you that how one communicates to others could also be cause for having one banned. I can only assume you took it as threatening, while it was meant to be informative, and hopefully corrective so that such negative interactions would not be happening again or hopefully kept to a minimum! At least on your part. Makes my job much easier as a Moderator when members get along in their communications even when they disagree!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Moderator
Nick
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P.S. Now on your desire for me to get involved in the threads discussion or in particular to post #56. I'll have to pray about it. I do not get involved in these discussion as a Moderator but will at times as a fellow Member. The need to delineate between Moderator & Regular Member is important to me. Too easy to become the bully on the block when you have the authority that a Moderator has. So, getting involved in this subject is something that I must consider and the reason I find it necessary to pray about it. In Christ Jesus. C4E

 

[Rhema]

Seemingly, the bottom line is that any scripture added at any given time ...

? (Added by whom?)

NO I am not a Catholic

But... it was the Roman Catholic Church who told you (300 YEARS LATER) that the Book of Revelation was written by "a holy man of God who was moved by the Holy Spirit," and that you should believe this to be "scripture." The RCC Bishops added it to the canon. So you actually are following the ecclesiastical authority of the RCC in this regards.

Do you truly think that Athanasius (I gave the link to a limited bio) was a holy men of God ... moved by the Holy Spirit to include Revelation? I trow not - just by reading his biography. And what of Arius? And Pelagius? Were these holy men of God moved by the Holy Spirit? And what of the book of Enoch? I know of many believers who think that this book should be added in. What of those books called the Apocrypha by Protestants? These were actually in the 1611 King James Bible. Who took these books out? (And why?)

NO I am not a Catholic

My apologies. In my haste I was not clear. I was actually wondering if your Belief System (e.g. Soteriology & Ecclesiastical Authority) were akin to the RCC. You seem to embrace their doctrine of the Trinity, as well as their Doctrine of the Canon, and I was wondering about other RCC doctrines that you might also agree with.

I truly thought I'd have more time today, but alas ... I shall try my best to carve out some time tomorrow. Are you able to obtain a copy of Metzger's book on the development of the canon? I think that might help you quite a lot. If need be, our church will buy you a copy.

Well I wish I didn't need the sleep. but...
Rhema

 

[Garee]

REFERENCING YOUR POST #59, YOUR QUOTE REGARDING 1 THESSALONIANS 2:13: "The book of Revelation wasn't penned when Paul wrote 1st Thessalonians 2:13 (neither were the gospels), so just how could Paul have meant the 27 books of the New Testament given to you by the Roman Catholics, in 367 AD at the earliest?"

When as a time period it was penned is not a law . One third of human history had passed before the eye witness of God the creator became sight God moved Moses to write it down establishing the law as it is written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) without the oral traditons of men .I heard it through the grape vine (private interpretations we all have one) .In that way we are informed there must be heresies amongst us, our opinions of his interpretation . So long as they do not deny the fulness of Christ's grace the price we are purchased by they are not judgeable .

Some say a unknown remnant grace

The law of faith or the law and the testimony. The testimony of two working as one The father and Son

In effect saying Let there be . . And it was as good as gold, "the measure of faith". The witness of God is greater than the faithless witness of men .

The idea of Catholics being accredited for the work that only God can perform "making men different" ignores that which is written We are not to think of men above that which is written. If its 66 then God set it as good . Adding to it with oral traditons of men as a law of the fathers . . I heard it through the fathers grape vine can diminish the power of the gospel

When the finger of God was establishing his written law God alone hewn out two stone tablets and with His finger wrote on both side with no room for oral traditons . Moses moved by the Holy Spirt broke the stone law into pieces. . making it un-interpretable . he then lovingly commanded Moses to hew out two new tablets. . then again God wrote the same words with his finger . It was so glorious that the light exposed their dark hearts .

In general it would seem mankind has destroyed the meaning of one word and then can change the commandments.

Apostle . . . sent one . . not venerable one who puffs oneself above above as it is written . Abel is the prophet sent (apostle) and first recorded martyr.

1 Corinthians 4: 6-7And these things, brethren, I have in a figure(parable) transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Its not about this sect or family puffing themselves above another as if God was served by human hands to begin with . He is the Cannon Master not the powerless apostles.

Changing the meaning of that one word apostle violates the law that protects the integrity the authorship of one God not a legion of gods in the likeness of men

Deuteronomy 4:1-2 King James Version Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.Ye shall not add unto the word (Singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, (Singular) that ye may keep the commandments (Plural )of the Lord your God which I command you.

We must be careful how we hear or say we do what the Spirit says to the denominations, families, The seed snatcher, the father of lies accuses the Christian day and night .we can rest in the gospel yoked with Christ are burden can be lighter .

 

[Rhema]

The idea of Catholics being accredited for the work that only God can perform ...

The idea of God being accredited for the works that the Catholics wrote ...

If its 66 then God set it as good .

In 1611 it was 80, not 66. Did God change his mind ??

Rhema

66 books in 6 sections - think about it.

 

[BrotherDThomas]

@Rhema,


YOUR QUOTES IN POST #63: "But... it was the Roman Catholic Church who told you (300 YEARS LATER) that the Book of Revelation was written by "a holy man of God who was moved by the Holy Spirit," and that you should believe this to be "scripture." ......... Do you truly think that Athanasius (I gave the link to a limited bio) was a holy men of God ... moved by the Holy Spirit to include Revelation? I trow not -"

Simply put, who are we, or you, to question any churches doctrine relative to 1st Thessalonians 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:20-2 not being true regarding your personal opinions that the Holy men stating what they said is questionable and/or incorrect? This can open up a can of worms in other areas where you are playing God with your opinions, and going directly against the aforementioned passages in question where you may be guilty of the following passage: "For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ." (Galatians 1:10)

The bottom line is the Judeo-Christian Bible, with all of its hundreds of different renditions, is what it is and includes the books that they have, and the irony of which when doing so, Jesus stated: “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.” (Matthew 4:4)

Since the books within the scriptures are from the inspired mouth of our Jesus, as Yahweh God incarnate, are you calling Jesus a LIAR with your opinions that certain books shouldn't be in the Bible, where you question the alleged Holy men are not really Holy to state what they did, and regarding them adding or subtracting of books within the Bible? OUCH! Did I mention opening up a can of worms relative to other areas within the scriptures by taking this opinionated position?

Rhema, take this passage to heart: "Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6)




YOUR QUOTE REGARDING MY PAST CONFUSION: "You seem to embrace their doctrine of the Trinity,"

Yes, I have chosen to follow the Trinity Doctrine irrelative to any Hell-bound Catholic Church! This is because when reading the entire Judeo-Christian Bible I ran across verses where Jesus was the Hebrew God Yahweh incarnate, and then read where Jesus was only the Son of Yahweh God. Therefore, relative to this outright contradiction, which can be another topic, I actually and facetiously "flipped a coin," heads for Jesus being God, and tales for Jesus being the Son of Yahweh God, and it flipped to heads, therefore Jesus became my Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate.

Subsequently, in somewhat obvious disdain, Jesus now turned into a serial killer of the Old and New Testaments since there is only one god and Him being this one God (1 Kings 8:60), and the reasoning in why I am here for someone to try and explain this biblical axiom in where I worship a serial killer God, and to Him killing of the innocents at times! There lies the rub for me.


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[Rhema]

There lies the rub for me.

Yes, and it will stay that way if you're unwilling to listen, or take the steps necessary to learn.

Simply put, who are we, or you, to question any churches doctrine...

And yet you yourself questioned EVERY church's doctrine right here:

I have never joined a division of Christianity, because that in and of itself determines that every denomination can not be correct at the same time with the true words of Jesus the Christ if said divisions contradict each other..

If, as you implied, we are forbidden to question any church's doctrine, then y'all should shut up and become Roman Catholic, because they too forbid the questioning of Church Doctrine. (Just ask Martin Luther.)

You start out with the premise that the New Testament is scripture, without even knowing how the New Testament came to be. I find that verges on the edge of purposeful ignorance. (Did you read the Metzger book yet? ... of course not.)

not being true regarding your personal opinions that the Holy men stating what they said is questionable and/or incorrect

WHO SAID THEY'RE HOLY MEN ???

You avoid this question like the plague, and I wonder why.

Most Christians just start with this a priori assertion that the Bible is the Word of God, and then when they start to read it, get themselves into the exact same predicament you find yourself in.

This can open up a can of worms in other areas where you are playing God with your opinions,

The historical facts surrounding the development of the New Testament canon are not "opinions." It's a FACT that Revelation is not in the Bible of the Church of the East. It's a FACT that this thing you call "The Judeo-Christian Bible" was cobbled together by the Roman Catholics. It's a FACT that numerous Bishops of the early Catholic Church rejected the book of Revelation.

It's a FACT that YOU have no idea who wrote Revelation or where it came from. (Can you be honest enough to admit that?)

The bottom line is the Judeo-Christian Bible, with all of its hundreds of different renditions, is what it is

No. The FACT is ... the bottom line is that the Judeo-Christian Bible is what the Roman Catholics told you it was. And then someone went and TOLD you it was the Word of God.

Since the books within the scriptures are from the inspired mouth of our Jesus,

Again, WHO TOLD you that? It's a very serious question. Someone knocks on your door and tells you that the Book of Mormon is the Word of God. They believe this with all their heart, and you ask, "Who told you that?" and they're unable to answer. Just like you.

Who told you that the Bible was the Word of God? Billy Graham? Martin Luther? The Pope? Pastor Joe-bob? Does the Bible tell you that the Bible is the word of God? (It does not - that's a fact that can be proven.)

You seem to think that storks flew in and dropped this book off at your front door. So .... again ... WHO told you? Dave? Frank? Bob? Pete? Think back, he or she must have had a name...

You want help with resolving problems you read in the Bible, and I'm asking you to back up a bit. Who told you the Bible was the Word of God, and then why would you believe them?

Since the books within the scriptures are from the inspired mouth of our Jesus,

Why do you not believe that the Gospel of Thomas is from the inspired mouth of our Jesus? Have you ever read it?

Since the books within the scriptures are from the inspired mouth of our Jesus,

Do these books include all the scriptures found in the 1611 King James Bible?

are you calling Jesus a LIAR with your opinions that certain books shouldn't be in the Bible, where you question the alleged Holy men are not really Holy to state what they did, and regarding them adding or subtracting of books within the Bible?

Was Paul a god? Was Athanasius a god?

God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.​

(Romans 3:4 KJV)​

I am asking you to prayerfully consider who is your Ecclesiastical Authority. The Bible? Martin Luther invented that doctrine. Was Luther a god?

Did I mention opening up a can of worms ...

The answer to your dilemma is inside the can, dear sir. And yes, I've opened the can, and I know the worms by name.

Rhema, take this passage to heart: "Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar." (Proverbs 30:5-6)

Those who added the book of Revelation to scripture ought to have taken that passage to heart.

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.​

(Proverbs 30:5-6 KJV)​

I can assure you, the author of Proverbs did not (and would not) consider the book of Revelation as "God's words". So why are you putting those words into God's mouth?

Rhema

 

[Garee]

The idea of God being accredited for the works that the Catholics wrote ...

In 1611 it was 80, not 66. Did God change his mind ??

Rhema

66 books in 6 sections - think about it.

Why think when a person can compare the two different teachings . Purgatory or no purgatory.

Someone added to the bible. it easy to see the hidden books (apocrypha) were simply that "hidden books " not chapters called books that make up the book of the law the Bible .The word of God

Mysteries are revealed in parables not hidden books or mystics . I would ask give one reason why I would think they are of the same spirit of faith as it is written in the bible . . 66 books

Apocrypha simply books needed to keep the traditons of men of praying to dead relatives or venerated men called patron saints . . they are needed to extend their purgatory doctrine and Limbo doctrine .

 

[Rhema]

Someone added to the bible.

Well someone sure added the letters of Paul, Garee... didn't they.
Yet did you not know that the books you label "Apocrypha" were part of the Scriptures called the Septuagint? The Greek OT that is quoted in the NT.
The thing to ask, Garee, is who started calling them the Apocrypha? .... and why.

Apocrypha - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rhema

 

[Garee]

Well someone sure added the letters of Paul, Garee... didn't they.
Yet did you not know that the books you label "Apocrypha" were part of the Scriptures called the Septuagint? The Greek OT that is quoted in the NT.
The thing to ask, Garee, is who started calling them the Apocrypha? .... and why.

Apocrypha - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Rhema

Paul is a prophet as one sent with prophecy (the word of God ) Why try and make all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura ) with effect? Why not chose Peter the serial denier who prevented the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the unseen father ? .

I know from the scriptures that a hierarchy of what some call venerable men (patron saints) seeking the dead , disembodied workers with a familiar spirit. . . that lord the faith or understanding of the non venerable pew sitters . They need all the help they can get to perform the illusion that there is sufferings even after one takes their last breath . .. . . needed to support the purgatory or limbo wondering doctrine .

The doctrine of wondering, wondering marveling (not belief) no end of faith in sight ,the salvation of ones soul .The believer receives the fullness of Christ grace the salvation of their new born again soul from the beginning.


1 peter 1: 9-10 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

Those who do serve a hierarchy of men, a Government of corrupted mankind and not the government of peace of two , the father and Son alone .

They teach in both testaments. One in respect to the faithless Jew with a "queen of heaven" and the the other the new testament faithless gentiles same "queen of heaven" named differently .

What some call queen of heaven came about because of a women's lib demonstration. which did the opposite bind them in sin. They refuse to hearken unto all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) and did what so ever their own mouth said ( I heard it through the fathers grapevine as a oral traditons of men and saw no evil .


Jerinmah44:15-17 Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying, As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

They must teach that a "queen of heaven" alone received the fullness of grace the price of redemption and every other human a unknow remnant of grace and again they must continue to suffer after talking the last breath with no end in sight .

The religion of wondering, marveling, mystical by mystics called prophets.

 

[Rhema]

Paul is a prophet as one sent with prophecy (the word of God ) Why try and make all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura ) with effect? Why not chose Peter the serial denier who prevented the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the unseen father ? .

Well someone sure added the letters of Peter too, Garee... didn't they.

And yet here you condemn Peter.

Well, Garee, unfortunately I'll be needing to use that ignore button for you, as there is no way to unravel this nonsense you just posted.

But thanks for trying,
Rhema

 

[Garee]

Well someone sure added the letters of Peter too, Garee... didn't they.

And yet here you condemn Peter.

Well, Garee, unfortunately I'll be needing to use that ignore button for you, as there is no way to unravel this nonsense you just posted.

But thanks for trying,
Rhema

Sorry, Asking questions can aid ?

Its not a salvation issue. . it does not destroy the simplicity of the power of the gospel .More of how can we hear him more richly seeing yoked with him can make our burden lighter .?


No one is criticizing either one .Its actually the question I asked you .Why criticize one apostle and not the other ? Jesus remained the only one who did not sin . We do not eulogize the flesh of sinful prophets sent as apostles

We are to follow Christ by faith just like the Son of man Jesus, with Christ working from within making Jesus' load lighter . Apostles are used as examples of those who walk by faith .the unseen God.

I did not say I would puff up one apostle against another . Then they would have to answer the query of those who look to venerate the apostles even above that which is written(sola scriptura) The final authority in maters of unseen faith God's labor of Love.

1 Corinthians 4: 6-7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Why pit bull one apostle against another How could we find the gospel mearing of Love ?

Galatians 5:14-16King James VersionFor all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

 

[Rhema]

Why criticize one apostle and not the other ?

The fact that you think my statement was a criticism merely amplifies the gulf between the way you and I think, Garee. Whether Peter, Paul, (or Mary) ... at some point, those books were added to the Scriptures, while others books (such as the Shepherd of Hermas and the Didache) were taken away, like the deuterocanonical books found in the 1611 King James Bible.

Deuterocanonical books - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The deuterocanonical books (from the Greek meaning "belonging to the second canon") are books and passages considered by the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Churches, and the Assyrian Church of the East to be canonical books of the Old Testament, but which Protestant denominations regard as apocrypha.​

At this point I'm not quite sure just how rigid, but it would seem that "Talk Jesus" is rigidly Protestant in its theology. As I have openly stated before, I loosely hold the canon of the Church of (far) East. Whether that makes me unwelcome here or not is yet to be seen.

Kindly,
Rhema

No one is criticizing either one.

Peter the serial denier

Peter ... who prevented the Son of man Jesus from doing the will of the unseen father

And that's not a criticism ??

 

[BrotherDThomas]

@Rhema,

So, what you are essentially saying in your overall post #67, and in other posts as well within this thread, is that according to YOU there should be an addendum with any version of the Judeo-Christian Bible sold in stating that what it says literally is to be outright questioned of its overall validity!

Then to have the full picture of the Bible, you state with specificity, that one is to follow your opinions relating that are presumably vouchsafed outside of the scriptures as shown below:

1. Remove the book of Revelations entirely from the Bible!

2. Question the entire New Testament altogether after reading the Metzger book.

3. It is not a fact that the men were Holy in the passages of 1st Thessalonians 2:13 and 2 Peter 1:20-21 stating that the Bible is the inspired word of Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate. Therefore, in your way of thinking, take a magic marker and blot out these passages!



YOUR QUOTE QUESTIONING THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD: “who told you that the Bible was the Word of God? Billy Graham? Martin Luther? The Pope? Pastor Joe-bob? Does the Bible tell you that the Bible is the word of God? (It does not - that's a fact that can be proven.)”

Your Devil Speak is wrong once again in that the biblical axioms shown below are all relative that the Bible is the word of God, or according to you as shown in your ungodly posts, are these passages to be marked out by a magic marker as well, or cut out with scissors?

“For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (John 1:1).

“This God—his way is perfect; the word of the Lord proves true; he is a shield for all those who take refuge in him.” (Psalm 18:30)

“Since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;” (1 Peter 1:23)

“And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God,” (Ephesians 6:17)

“Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.” (Proverbs 30:5)

“But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” (Luke 11:28)

“If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be broken. (John 10:35)

“Every word of God proves true; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.” (Proverbs 30:5-6)

“I write to you, fathers, because you know him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one.” (1 John 2:14)

“And have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come” (Hebrews 6:5)



The membership can only assume that because of your Satanic modus operandi relating to the Judeo-Christian Bible in trying to REWRITE IT as shown in this thread, where you hack away at it, remove from it, add to it, and where you overall blasphemed it, then your Bible looks like the image shown below where you will pay for your transgressions upon Judgment Day, praise Jesus' revenge!

https://johnhensondotnet.files.wordpress.com/2016/09/biblewithcutout.png?w=396


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[BrotherDThomas]

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@Rhema,

YOUR UNGODLY QUOTE IN POST #67: “Why do you not believe that the Gospel of Thomas is from the inspired mouth of our Jesus? Have you ever read it?”

Yes, I believe that the Gospel of Thomas is also from the inspired word of Jesus the Christ as Yahweh God incarnate! Seemingly this book was left out of the Bible because how it related to the 2nd class woman's status: “Simon Peter said to him, "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life." Jesus said, "I myself shall lead her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every woman who will make herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Thomas 114). GET IT? HUH?

Rhema, Is there a reason that you did not want to engage me upon myself in choosing Jesus as being Yahweh God incarnate over Him being just the Son of God? Don’t you want to talk about this as well, therefore, what do you believe Jesus to be, the Son of Yahweh God, or Yahweh God incarnate? I would be interested in more of your opinions upon this topic as well.



At this point, and as shown in your posts, you are blatantly guilty of the following Jesus inspired passages, where you will probably try and spin doctor said passages in that what they meant in “your opinion” again, is not what they literally say.

“As he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2 Peter 3:16)

“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,” (2 Timothy 4:3)

“I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them.” (Romans 16:17)


In closing, and using your way of thinking, who told you that Jesus existed in the first place? Was it the Bible that you have torn apart and have Satanically revised ad infinitum? Or, did Jesus in prayer tell you He existed in the time period within the Bible? Or, did your parents say He existed nonetheless by “faith” only? In other words, what is your ABSOLUTE and irrefutable conclusion that Jesus existed?!


Awaiting a cogent reply to my two posts above, and leave your Devil Speak towards the Judeo-Christian Bible upon the sidelines this time, agreed?


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[Shaolin]

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I have been a Christina for about 10 years, and I have never joined a division of Christianity, because that in and of itself determines that every denomination can not be correct at the same time with the true words of Jesus the Christ if said divisions contradict each other.. Therefore, that is my dilemma. . Therefore, after reading the Judeo-Christian Bible, and when running across certain narratives and passages, they just don't make any sense whatsoever or would put me in jail if I followed certain ones. My most haunting passage is the following: “EVERY word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)". Therefore, without question, this means that every word of the inspired by Jesus in being Yahweh God incarnate is to be followed or accepted, in the Old and New Testaments, period.

I am truly here to engage with other Christians to take my questioning of the Bible to heart where I want to try and believe in it when using actual biblical facts with no spin doctoring, but in using supported Biblical vouchsafing instead of personal opinions to certain biblical axioms.

I will most certainly share the Talk Jesus community on other platforms, praise!

Thank you.

Perhaps I can help you in this area. Taking your example where you say; "Therefore, without question, this means that every word of the inspired [Word of God] by Jesus is being Yahweh God incarnate is to be followed or accepted, in the Old and New Testaments, period."

Before a person can understand the Word of God completely and accurately, he must have a working knowledge and understanding of Biblical hermeneutics, as well as a living relationship with God in covenant relationship so that he has the indwelling Spirit of God, in order to open the truth of Scripture to his mind. Having said that, utilizing a complete Biblical hermeneutic, we come to find that while we accept what the OT has to say, today we are not under the old covenant...therefore, for example...the prohibition against eating bacon does not apply to us today (thank God!).

We are not under the old covenant, nor any of the laws emanating from that covenant - because it was fulfilled by Christ and abrogated, being replaced by the new covenant and the new law of that covenant, the Law of Christ. The Law of Christ says nothing about dietary constrictions.

This is just one example. Hope that helps!

Blessings.

 

[Garee]

The fact that you think my statement was a criticism merely amplifies the gulf between the way you and I think, Garee. Whether Peter, Paul, (or Mary) ... at some point, those books were added to the Scriptures, while others books (such as the Shepherd of Hermas and the Didache) were taken away, like the deuterocanonical books found in the 1611 King James Bible.

Deuterocanonical books - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The deuterocanonical books (from the Greek meaning "belonging to the second canon") are books and passages considered by the Catholic Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Oriental Orthodox Churches, and the Assyrian Church of the East to be canonical books of the Old Testament, but which Protestant denominations regard as apocrypha.​

At this point I'm not quite sure just how rigid, but it would seem that "Talk Jesus" is rigidly Protestant in its theology. As I have openly stated before, I loosely hold the canon of the Church of (far) East. Whether that makes me unwelcome here or not is yet to be seen.

Kindly,
Rhema

And that's not a criticism ??

Yes that is criticism as a example of what not to do . Why criticize one apostle and not another. .? That the kind of government of men as a hierarchy of men like the Catholiscim with the Greek Orthodox . They putting aside their differences just as the Pharisees with Sadducees in order to make al things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) without effect so that they can serve their government of what they call venerable legion of fathers(3500 and rising) they they have named patron saints . They need extra books to try and make their doctrines effective.

The bible calls that kind of human government of men (Kings, queens, fathers princes) an "abomination of desolation" .Mankind standing in the place of faith the unseen power of God .Giving God's power accrediting it to sinful men who lord it over the understanding of those not venerable.

In doing so making the fullness of grace the price we are redeemed with without effect.

Teaching that only a queen of heaven that the unbelieving Jew named Ashtoreth same deception that the Catholics renamed Mary after our sister in the lord Sayin she was the only person that receives the fulness of grace ,while the rest of the world a unknown remnant and they must continue to suffer even after dead for a unknow about of time

I was not comparing Peter the sinner to to Paul another sinner . . Not comparing the flesh or works of one apostles to that of another as that which could rise above sola scriptura all things written in the law and prophets the final authority

Remember it is God who gives gifts and make men differ from one another.

1Corinthian 4:6-7 And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

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I have been a Christina for about 10 years,

Under what criteria do you claim to be a "Christian"???

 

[BrotherDThomas]

@Bob Carabbio,


YOUR QUOTE IN POST #78 OF MY CRITERIA TO BE A CHRISTIAN: "Under what criteria do you claim to be a "Christian"???"

You don't get something for nothing, therefore, since you never addressed my posts #8 and #12 in refutation to your other posts to me within this thread, I will not answer you regarding your question above. This is a discussion forum, not a RUN AWAY from discussion forum.

Good day.


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[BrotherDThomas]

@Shaolin,

YOUR QUOTE WHERE CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER THE OLD TESTAMENT LAWS: "We are not under the old covenant, nor any of the laws emanating from that covenant - because it was fulfilled by Christ and abrogated, being replaced by the new covenant and the new law of that covenant, the Law of Christ."

I am sorry, but Jesus and I disagree with the long standing notion over the millennia's that we are not under the Old Testament laws anymore, of which, Jesus' inspired words stated we are: "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled" (Matthew 5:18).

Therefore, at the time of Jesus, He likened the continuance of the Mosaic Laws, all 613 of them, to the permanence of heaven and earth as shown in the passage above. Has heaven and earth passed away yet, no they have not. The "fulfilled" part of Matthew 5:18 and the permanence of heaven and earth passing away, is described in this passage: “But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare” (2 Peter 3:10)

Therefore, when Jesus said that not one jot or tittle will pass from the 613 Old Testament Mosaic laws till heaven and earth pass away, as described in Matthew 5:18, and within 2 Peter 3:10, the heavens and earth do pass away, is the prerequisite to not having to follow the 613 Old Testament laws anymore, is with accordance of Jesus’ Second Coming which has not happed yet, therefore we are still under the Old Testament 613 Mosaic laws.


Besides, we have these inspired by Jesus passages that shows we are to follow ALL of the Old Testament at this time:

“Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)". Every word includes the Old Testament laws within the the Judeo-Christian Bible.

"God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19). Since Jesus, as our Hebrew Yahweh God incarnate, doesn't change His mind, therefore the the 613 Mosaic Laws of the Old Testament are to be followed to this day as well as the New Testament.


Sidebar: Lest we forget, the Ten Commandments are located within the Old Testament, and I would be the last Christian that would say that we are not to follow them in respect since we hold this doctrine so dear and have protested when said 10 commandments are removed from public places! Agreed?

Shaolin, I thank you for your consideration and your time.


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