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WOW, these are pretty far out and helped answer a few questions I had. Thank you kindly

We can't believe everything we see on youtube.

I honestly don't know where the topic came from about the news and the moon landing, but it shouldn't be here. I actually feel amazingly strong about it, so I want to address it anyway.

The news is fake?

How so? The news has provided plenty of fictional information, stories, and data for me an uncountable amount of times. It has been correct about certain events, natural disasters, weather(most of the time off, lol), world events foreign and domestic. These facts are not only proven by the news media (tv + news papers) but by various other large amounts of other resources. The news isn't always 100% correct, I admit but it is very far from 100% wrong. That being said, it is Tribulations OPINION but not a fact. Statistics will show that what I have said is more fact than what he has said about the news.

Neil Armstrong not swearing on the Bible.

The guy in this video is obviously harassing him and needs to get professional help first thing. Is Neil Armstrong a Christian? Does he even believe in God? Do people that judge him for NOT swearing on the bible, even know his reasons for not doing so? What if he is a hardcore Christian, but believes it to be disrespectful to God to have to swear to something on His name? Why would you care what anyone would honestly think or believe when you have achieved one of the greatest achievements of humanity in all of it's history? I surely would not care if one person didn't believe me, or even a million.

Buzz punching that guy (which I think is the same guy from the Neil video)

Buzz obviously didn't do the Christian-like thing, but what was the point of this video? He hit someone because he was offended? Does that mean he never walked on the moon? I don't think so, not at all!

The Mayan Calender ending on Dec 24th, 2011.

The video is false, and it's resources are false. Pay more attention to the video and notice that it's resources are over 30 years old. I don't know about you, but that seems VERY unreliable. Anyone who does enough research on the Mayan calender would find the same exact thing I did, something along the lines of this:

"Misinterpretation of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is the basis for a popular belief that a cataclysm will take place on December 21, 2012. December 21, 2012 is simply the day that the calendar will go to the next b'ak'tun."

Now that all that has been debunked, we can now continue on with the actual topic of the thread and peoples thoughts about it.
 
Its now 2012 and were still here.

The world is never coming to an end .

Jesus didn't know his return time nor do the angels.


I think we have to much end time hype/error and not enough Bible study.
 
WOW, these are pretty far out and helped answer a few questions I had. Thank you kindly

No problem man.
Yeah, the moon landings were FAKE. That's the bottom line.

If you go to Utube and type in

"NASA finds original Apollo moon landing video after 40 years"

Watch this video. You will see the ORIGINAL FAKE moon landings. With camera men walking around on the moon, without space suits. You will also see astronauts on the moon without helmets on.
The whole thing was staged.

Think about how much $$$$$$$$ they raked in, after LYING about this whole thing. And as a result they were able to create NASA. A fake space program, and swindle BILLIONS of dollars.
 
The news is fake? How so?

The news "programs" are controlled by the same people that run our government. Do you trust our government?

The point is that, the Mayan calender has ALREADY ended. It ended on Dec 24, 2011.

The News channels tell us that it's Dec 21, 2012. Which is not a fact.

Do your own research. Believe what ever YOU want to.
You might not believe what you see on the news. And you might not believe what you see on Utube or the internet.

This is why Jesus said, "I am the Truth"

Because He knew... the rest is all lies.

Jesus is "The Truth"... the news is NOT the truth. And it's not true either
 
now i don't know what to believe

For real. I used to be an atheist until I learned EVERYTHING was a lie on the tv. Esp the news.
It was researching on the internet that brought me to Christ.

The governments all over the world are so corrupt. I heard a pastor preaching yesterday, he said the world leaders are not sure how to CONTROL everything anymore. They've had control over our minds for a LONG time by controlling our media.

The Mayan calender states their will be a mass awakening. And a period called the "hall of mirrors" will begin.
I watched a preacher give a sermon on the Mayan calender. He said the period called the "hall or mirrors" is about mankind FINALLY seeing all the evil he has done to one another for greed, power, and control.
 
Its now 2012 and were still here.

The world is never coming to an end .

Jesus didn't know his return time nor do the angels.


I think we have to much end time hype/error and not enough Bible study.

Of course we are still here, but that's not the point. The 2012 end times prophecy is predicted to occur on Dec. 21st or 24th of 2012. It is a long way off, so technically we are not through it yet. However, it IS in fact nonsense, and even after these dates pass we will still be here and nothing will be different.

You're exactly right, there is much much more than enough end time hype/error.

No problem man.
Yeah, the moon landings were FAKE. That's the bottom line.

If you go to Utube and type in

"NASA finds original Apollo moon landing video after 40 years"

Watch this video. You will see the ORIGINAL FAKE moon landings. With camera men walking around on the moon, without space suits. You will also see astronauts on the moon without helmets on.
The whole thing was staged.

Think about how much $$$$$$$$ they raked in, after LYING about this whole thing. And as a result they were able to create NASA. A fake space program, and swindle BILLIONS of dollars.

How do you know this video is real? Did you make it? I don't see any proof at all. Anyone can video edit or make false videos and make them viral. Check out some current or recent movies, a lot of fantastic technology is used there. My point is again, your resources are unreliable and very possible to be faked by conspiracy believers.

The news "programs" are controlled by the same people that run our government. Do you trust our government?

The point is that, the Mayan calender has ALREADY ended. It ended on Dec 24, 2011.

The News channels tell us that it's Dec 21, 2012. Which is not a fact.

Do your own research. Believe what ever YOU want to.
You might not believe what you see on the news. And you might not believe what you see on Utube or the internet.

This is why Jesus said, "I am the Truth"

Because He knew... the rest is all lies.

Jesus is "The Truth"... the news is NOT the truth. And it's not true either

The news is monitored by the government, but I don't believe it to be 100% controlled by it. There are plenty of things I see on the news and tv that actually embarrass our government. Can you explain that? Oh, you cannot because you have no proof or reliable source that the news is controlled.

The Mayan calender has NOT ended, and it will never "END". It hasn't even reset yet. Your videos are outdated and unreliable. These people attempt to debunk a conspiracy theory that debunks itself with research. The creators of these videos are obviously complete idiots, desperately trying to not be afraid of something that you shouldn't already be afraid of because it isn't real. Yet AGAIN I will say that your resources are wrong, out of date, unreliable, and invalid.

I'll believe in reasonable evidence that I find or others show me. I refuse to believe in conspiracy theories or attempted (and failed) debunks. These are fear tactics and efforts for 15 minutes of fame.

Jesus is the truth, but it doesn't mean that EVERYTHING else ever said or claimed is a lie. Everything spiritual, obviously. Everything else, it's either debatable or obvious. For example, if I say that my car is red (and it actually is red) does that mean it's a lie? If the news says there was an earthquake in Japan (and there actually was) is that a lie? If I claim that God is the only God, then it's true. I hope that was clear enough.

now i don't know what to believe

Don't believe conspiracy theories, none of them. You of all people that I have spoken with on here should look at evidence and proof, and see the truth. I suggest you do your research and find sources that aren't one sided, like every source that Tribulation posted. Like I said before, the sources above all look bad because the poster made it seem that way. Further research on these topics, will provide real answers. Don't trust Tribulation, and don't even trust me, find it for yourself. It is there and wide open.

For real. I used to be an atheist until I learned EVERYTHING was a lie on the tv. Esp the news.
It was researching on the internet that brought me to Christ.

The governments all over the world are so corrupt. I heard a pastor preaching yesterday, he said the world leaders are not sure how to CONTROL everything anymore. They've had control over our minds for a LONG time by controlling our media.

The Mayan calender states their will be a mass awakening. And a period called the "hall of mirrors" will begin.
I watched a preacher give a sermon on the Mayan calender. He said the period called the "hall or mirrors" is about mankind FINALLY seeing all the evil he has done to one another for greed, power, and control.

I only have one question for you on this one, I addressed everything else in my post. Why are you following a religious belief of a dead religion and civilization? Why is a preacher following it? The Mayans were very very far from Christian, this was what they believed. The calender is just a calender, just like our own 12 month calender but on a large scale. Then the Mayans added religious beliefs to it of course, but yeah...you get my point.
 
Dec. 21st or 24th of 2012. My point is again, your resources are unreliable and very possible to be faked by conspiracy believers.
but yeah...you get my point.

A better question would be...
What are your resources?
Sounds like your so called "resources" aren't even sure what day OR year it is.

Amazing the thread is about 2012. Yet you thought it meant "please come discredit people" by stating cynical opinions, based on fictional resources.

So why should anyone believe anything YOU have to say either?
 
2012 is about an awakening.

MANY people are going to find out that the TV is ALL lies in the next few years.

The Mayan calender is NOT about the end of the world. It's about a shift of consciousness. The Dec 21, 2012 is not even on the calender. Matter of fact it's not even a calender. It measures the acceleration of consciousness.

Consciousness is a term that refers to the relationship between the mind and the world with which it interacts.

As Christians we can no longer afford to "attack the messenger". We need to learn to care enough, to listen to other peoples view points. Even if it's contrary to our opinions. And learn not to roll our eyes and spend our time, trying our best to discredit them.

A lot of people (non believers) are going to have to deal with "what they believe in" once the lies are all out in the open. And are faced with the false reality created by years of conditioning. Too many people rely on the television as their belief structure.

If we (believers in Christ Jesus) behave as commanded by our Lord. We will be able to start winning souls for His glory. And not let our emotions stand in the way of truth.

And that Truth is Jesus... Who was God in the flesh
There IS NO other truth.

It will all be brought to light:
Mark 4:22
And knowledge will increase:
Dan 12:4
 
A better question would be...
What are your resources?
Sounds like your so called "resources" aren't even sure what day OR year it is.

Amazing the thread is about 2012. Yet you thought it meant "please come discredit people" by stating cynical opinions, based on fictional resources.

So why should anyone believe anything YOU have to say either?

My resources are historical proof and unbiased facts not affected by conspiracy theories.

I know the thread is about 2012, you are the one that drifted way off topic with false information about the news media, the moon landing, and even 2012 itself. I have decided to discredit you and your resources strictly because it is dangerous to assume such things.

No one should believe YOU or ME, like I stated above. Do not take my word for it, seek an actual unbiased theory or even proof on the matter. That is where you find truth in humanity outside of the spiritual.

2012 is about an awakening.

MANY people are going to find out that the TV is ALL lies in the next few years.

The Mayan calender is NOT about the end of the world. It's about a shift of consciousness. The Dec 21, 2012 is not even on the calender. Matter of fact it's not even a calender. It measures the acceleration of consciousness.

Consciousness is a term that refers to the relationship between the mind and the world with which it interacts.

As Christians we can no longer afford to "attack the messenger". We need to learn to care enough, to listen to other peoples view points. Even if it's contrary to our opinions. And learn not to roll our eyes and spend our time, trying our best to discredit them.

A lot of people (non believers) are going to have to deal with "what they believe in" once the lies are all out in the open. And are faced with the false reality created by years of conditioning. Too many people rely on the television as their belief structure.

If we (believers in Christ Jesus) behave as commanded by our Lord. We will be able to start winning souls for His glory. And not let our emotions stand in the way of truth.

And that Truth is Jesus... Who was God in the flesh
There IS NO other truth.

It will all be brought to light:
Mark 4:22
And knowledge will increase:
Dan 12:4

2012 current beliefs are in FACT about an apocalypse, all of the movies and books say this out in the open. However, the actual creatures of the Mayan calender (the Mayans) didn't exactly believe an apocalypse would occur. They believed what you are saying in your recent post, an awakening of knowledge. A changed time, etc etc etc. This is also (like i said several times before) a Mayan RELIGIOUS belief. This follows their religion, which was NOT Christianity and completely different than Christianity. I do not follow or believe in what the Mayans believe in, to me 2012 is just another year and shows no significant marking in time, unless something dramatic happens this year.

Jesus Christ is the truth, you are correct. That still doesn't mean that everything we hear is a complete lie. Anything that tries to deny Jesus Christ and his teachings are not truthful, at least to us Christians. I don't know how to explain that any further.

In this post I would like to conclude my "debate", because it isn't exactly important and shouldn't be happening (at least not in this thread). I will add one final note and that is: Do research based off of unbiased sources, neutral ones that take no side in a debate but only seek to find factual answers. This is where you will find your truth, always. I would also like to add that I mean no offense to you Tribulation, and respect your resolve and ability to stand strong in your beliefs. It takes a rare kind of courage to do so.

I do care enough to listen to others view points, but these things I have heard time and time again. They are just conspiracy theories thought up and believed in by paranoid individuals. I honestly believe and can feel the dangers in the belief of conspiracy theories. With enough power behind it, the certain ones you have mentioned could cause a whole lot of trouble, possibly a civil war.
 
Do research based off of unbiased sources, neutral ones that take no side in a debate but only seek to find factual answers. This is where you will find your truth, always. I mean no offense to you Tribulation, and respect your resolve and ability to stand strong in your beliefs. It takes a rare kind of courage to do so.

Yes, this is why we need to LISTEN to EVERYBODY. Even Christians on Utube exposing secret societies. Pastor Phil Endris preaches about the Illuminati in his church. Perry Stone has preached about the connections between the Mayan Calender and The Holy Bible.
The movie "The Matrix" is about what is being exposed ESP now in 2012.
Most of the people on Utube are Christians WAKING up, and exposing the works of darkness. Eph 5:11

The world in which we ALL live is not reality. It's a world (of illusion) that has been pulled over our eyes.

We all need to take the RED pill. And stop believing the TV is equal to the Bible in truth.

2012 is about the a mass awakening & people choosing to take the RED pill.

I have been studying this for 7 years. I have friends that make fun of me to my face. They don't believe for one second that Satan could be so smart, as to trick them.
 
Google him....you'll find alot in common.

I checked out Harold Camping on Utube. I don't agree with him. I'm not a rapture believer. He is into rapture stuff.

But you cant believe everything you see on Utube... :wink: hahaha. Or so I'm told :shade:

If you trying to compare to me to Harold because you think he is crazy, and I am too. I'm not amused

But then again... this is the internet
And you can't believe everything you read on the internet... Or so I'm told.... by people on the internet ----- LOL
 
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