A few shall be left

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During the thousand year reign of Christ the earth is to be repopulated by those who are left. We know this because after the thousand year reign Satan is once again loosed to deceive the nations, and gather them to battle against the saints. The number of which is shown in Revelation 20:8 as "the sand of the sea" in number.

So Yes, there will be some people left on earth after the cleansing by fire. We know this by the words of God; just as Jesus said except those days are shortened "no flesh" would survive.

We are told in 2 Peter 3:7-13 “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."

The Lord said He would make man rare in number on earth, like the finest of gold. And He also said a "few men" shall be left.

Isaiah 24:6
Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and "few men" left.

Notice people will still be "sinning and dying" after the new heavens an new earth....

Isaiah 65:17-25 “For, behold, I create "new heavens and a new earth": and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child "shall die" an hundred years old; but "the sinner" being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of
a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord."

Many believe the above verses from Isaiah are speaking of after the millennial reign of Christ on earth because it speaks of new heavens and a new earth. But notice in verse 20 above there are people who are still "dying and sinning". This cannot be the saints who are of the "first resurrection" because we are told the second death has no power over them.(Rev. 20:6) Also, if people are still "dying" it means the last enemy (which is death) has not been destroyed yet, as shown here....

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

So we can only conclude that the passages above from Isaiah 65 are during the millennial reign of Christ on earth. We also see prior to death being destroyed Satan is loosed again and goes out and deceives "the nations"....


Revelation 20:7-8 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to "deceive the nations" which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

These revived nations are shown here in Daniel 7:12 "As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for "a season and a time"." (= a thousand years)

In order for there to be "nations" as the number of the sand of the sea, there has to be those who are of "the flesh" that survive the cleansing of fire mentioned by Peter. And these survivors are the ones who can still sin and die during the millennial reign of Christ on earth. These survivors are also the ones who will repopulate the earth during this time. And they are the ones who will be "deceived" when Satan is let loose after the thousand years. So you will have mortals and immortals on the earth at the same time.

It all makes perfect sense when you put all the pieces together. Peace and God bless.

 

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. We also see prior to death being destroyed Satan is loosed again and goes out and deceives "the nations"....

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Your assumption that when death is cast into the lake of fire that it is destroyed is false. The grave (hell) and death are both cast in along with the false prophet, beast, and satan.
It is called the second death because there will be another harvest of souls during that period. People will die during that time and go to the grave like they do now. The 1st death.
Now we are considered a sea as far as a population of humans are concerned from which arises the first and second beasts, and the last great kingdom on earth. There should be no difference in understanding the idea that the lake of fire is a re-creation of what is on earth today with false religion, governments, satan, death, the grave, sinners etc....

The truth about many multitudes of people born on the earth during the kingdom reign is fact, however; when do those people come into salvation? They have seen the King and
His brethren, how could they not believe? But yet God sends down fire from heaven to consume them all, who are left alive after the 1000 yrs have passed, and indeed has let satan out to
do the deceiving of the nations. We all know who controls satan and it is God. But to what purpose are these people born? Only to eventually die or be consumed by heavenly fire?
No, as they too eventually are given faith to believe during the second death period and another harvest of man will be accomplished during that period of time.

Keep in mind that eye hath not seen nor ear heard the things that God has prepared for them that love Him, BUT it has been revealed to us by His Spirit. What is revealed is at least
3 separate harvests of man with the eventuality of ALL men obtaining what JESUS paid for with His own blood.

1 Co 15:22-23 As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive. BUT every man in his own order.................... 1 Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
The only way that is accomplished is when the last remaining human has been born again and is IN CHRIST.
For He must reign til He hath put ALL enemies under His feet. Death is the last enemy and is put under his feet. The wages of sin is death, but death being destroyed simply means that ALL
have entered into life.
There are dispensations of time in which this occurs as mentioned in

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of TIMES He might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven and on earth; even in Him...

Concerning IN HIM we are told in
Col 1:20 "And, having made peace by the blood of His cross, to reconcile ALL things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth or things in heaven."
Being reconciled is not being tortured in a real lake of fire forever and ever.
A third witness to the gathering of ALL things into Christ because of the sacrifice, and what that bought.

Romans 11:36 "For of Him, and through Him, and to Him are ALL THINGS: to whom be glory forever. Amen." A fourth witness!!

Sin will never overcome grace and it is by grace ye and the rest of us are saved!!

Romans 5:20-21 "Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND: That as sin hath reigned unto death,
EVEN SO MIGHT GRACE REIGN THROUGH RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO ETERNAL LIFE by Jesus Christ our Lord."
Death will continue to reign until grace has been dispensed via faith to the last person whom will then have entered into life eternal by the law of faith, being FREELY JUSTIFIED
by Gods grace. Romans 3:24

Now faith when given is through grace unto believing unto salvation. Thus faith is controlled by God, and the grace that is shown is shown in His timing and is a statement of Gods
righteousness to the justification of the one who has been given faith. Romans 3:26-28
The law of faith excludes any boasting as it is God that gives the faith necessary for one to believe, He controls it all as He works ALL things according to the counsel of His own will!
You will be justified when God drags you unto Jesus and shows you the mercy that He has in store for ALL to receive!
Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief that He might have mercy upon ALL." A fifth witness.

 

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Your assumption that when death is cast into the lake of fire that it is destroyed is false. The grave (hell) and death are both cast in along with the false prophet, beast, and satan.
It is called the second death because there will be another harvest of souls during that period. People will die during that time and go to the grave like they do now. The 1st death.
Now we are considered a sea as far as a population of humans are concerned from which arises the first and second beasts, and the last great kingdom on earth. There should be no difference in understanding the idea that the lake of fire is a re-creation of what is on earth today with false religion, governments, satan, death, the grave, sinners etc....

The truth about many multitudes of people born on the earth during the kingdom reign is fact, however; when do those people come into salvation? They have seen the King and
His brethren, how could they not believe? But yet God sends down fire from heaven to consume them all, who are left alive after the 1000 yrs have passed, and indeed has let satan out to
do the deceiving of the nations. We all know who controls satan and it is God. But to what purpose are these people born? Only to eventually die or be consumed by heavenly fire?
No, as they too eventually are given faith to believe during the second death period and another harvest of man will be accomplished during that period of time.

Keep in mind that eye hath not seen nor ear heard the things that God has prepared for them that love Him, BUT it has been revealed to us by His Spirit. What is revealed is at least
3 separate harvests of man with the eventuality of ALL men obtaining what JESUS paid for with His own blood.

1 Co 15:22-23 As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive. BUT every man in his own order.................... 1 Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
The only way that is accomplished is when the last remaining human has been born again and is IN CHRIST.
For He must reign til He hath put ALL enemies under His feet. Death is the last enemy and is put under his feet. The wages of sin is death, but death being destroyed simply means that ALL
have entered into life.
There are dispensations of time in which this occurs as mentioned in

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of TIMES He might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven and on earth; even in Him...

Concerning IN HIM we are told in
Col 1:20 "And, having made peace by the blood of His cross, to reconcile ALL things unto Himself; by Him, I say, whether they be things in earth or things in heaven."
Being reconciled is not being tortured in a real lake of fire forever and ever.
A third witness to the gathering of ALL things into Christ because of the sacrifice, and what that bought.

Romans 11:36 "For of Him, and through Him, and to Him are ALL THINGS: to whom be glory forever. Amen." A fourth witness!!

Sin will never overcome grace and it is by grace ye and the rest of us are saved!!

Romans 5:20-21 "Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, GRACE DID MUCH MORE ABOUND: That as sin hath reigned unto death,
EVEN SO MIGHT GRACE REIGN THROUGH RIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO ETERNAL LIFE by Jesus Christ our Lord."
Death will continue to reign until grace has been dispensed via faith to the last person whom will then have entered into life eternal by the law of faith, being FREELY JUSTIFIED
by Gods grace. Romans 3:24

Now faith when given is through grace unto believing unto salvation. Thus faith is controlled by God, and the grace that is shown is shown in His timing and is a statement of Gods
righteousness to the justification of the one who has been given faith. Romans 3:26-28
The law of faith excludes any boasting as it is God that gives the faith necessary for one to believe, He controls it all as He works ALL things according to the counsel of His own will!
You will be justified when God drags you unto Jesus and shows you the mercy that He has in store for ALL to receive!
Romans 11:32 "For God hath concluded them ALL in unbelief that He might have mercy upon ALL." A fifth witness.

Ah, we have the doctrine of Universalism.

What about these verses…

Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Lake of fire is eternal…

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Separation from God is eternal

Revelation 22:14-15

King James Version

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14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”

Eternal damnation is Eternal!

 

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but is in danger of eternal damnation.

That is not a final judgement. It says IS IN DANGER but it doesn't say WILL BE eternally damned.

the beast and the false prophet are

Who are the beast and the false prophet? Are they not governments and false religion? Are these not composed of people? And if in the lake of fire then governments and false religions
are active during the second death just as they are today in the first.

And how would you go about to reconcile the verses I used that say ALL THINGS WILL BE reconciled unto God?
How can both your understanding and mine both be right when they are totally against each other in their outcomes?

Do you agree that without the Father dispensing faith to the one He justifies that one does not become a believer and is not born from above? And if so then the entirety of the human
race is in the hands of the Father, in which case nothing was or is left to chance, as ALL the works were finished before the foundation of the world.
If God left it all to chance, knowing the end from the beginning He obviously knew that just a few would come into life eternal. Why bother if the vast majority fail?
And seeing that salvation is a GIFT and no one can boast as having earned it, is it not up to God to supply the faith required to believe and come into eternal life bought and paid for by
the sacrifice of Christ?

 

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If everyone is saved, then why would there be a need to be born again of God’s Spirit.? Or why would there be a need to repent of sin, or even stop sinning?

Why would there be a need for a judgment? Or why would there be a need for hell and for the lake of fire ?

Eternal damnation means eternal, or else one could say eternal life is not eternal.

You have to dismiss a lot of scripture to believe in Universalism.

Romans 9:22
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

Matthew 25:41 “Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into "everlasting fire," prepared for the devil and his angels:”

Revelation 14:10-11 “The same shall drink of the wine of "the wrath" of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of "his indignation"; and he shall be tormented "with fire and brimstone" in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 And "the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever": and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

Revelation 20:10-15

King James Version

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10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

The lake of fire is eternal damnation!

 

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And how would you go about to reconcile the verses I used that say ALL THINGS WILL BE reconciled unto God?
How can both your understanding and mine both be right when they are totally against each other in their outcomes?

Do you agree that without the Father dispensing faith to the one He justifies that one does not become a believer and is not born from above? And if so then the entirety of the human
race is in the hands of the Father, in which case nothing was or is left to chance, as ALL the works were finished before the foundation of the world.
If God left it all to chance, knowing the end from the beginning He obviously knew that just a few would come into life eternal. Why bother if the vast majority fail?
And seeing that salvation is a GIFT and no one can boast as having earned it, is it not up to God to supply the faith required to believe and come into eternal life bought and paid for by
the sacrifice of Christ?

Not all are reconciled….

Colossians 1:20-21

King James Version

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20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled”

If you are an enemy toward God by wicked works your ALIENATED!

 

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20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Not all are reconciled….

Did you miss that highlighted part of 20?

 

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If you are an enemy toward God by wicked works your ALIENATED!

Who was not alienated by wicked works prior to His grace toward us in the giving of faith to believe in what He had done for us?
Your works mean absolutely nothing as it is the law of faith that provides salvation not works, and faith has to be provided by God.

 

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Did you miss that highlighted part of 20?

Yes, but how does God do that?

 

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Who was not alienated by wicked works prior to His grace toward us in the giving of faith to believe in what He had done for us?
Your works mean absolutely nothing as it is the law of faith that provides salvation not works, and faith has to be provided by God.

Read again, how God would reconcile all things to Him….

20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven”

Do you see that? BY HIM, meaning those who believe in Christ and are washed in the blood of the Lamb.

 

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Do you see that? BY HIM, meaning those who believe in Christ and are washed in the blood of the Lamb.

Of course I see that but you know as well as I that it is up to the Father to draw one to Jesus and to give them the faith necessary to believe in what was accomplished.
When He does that for each individual is up to Him. You did not come until you were dragged, neither did I, although sometimes one would want to take credit
for their own WORK of accepting Christ, but it was not accepted it was given and God does not repent of any calling or gift. We both know that no human can acquire the
GIFT of the Holy Ghost by any human means as it is a gift that resides IN you.
Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

 

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Yes, but how does God do that?

It is already done. When Jesus said IT IS FINISHED he had made peace between God and man by the blood of His cross (death) and now the reconciliation of everything will come to fruition
in the Fathers timing.

As in Adam ALL die, even so in Christ shall ALL be made alive. BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER......................

That verse is as black and white, plain, and straight forward as a verse gets. And needs no interpretation. ALL shall be made ALIVE in Christ (the anointing) But every man will be made
alive in the order predetermined by the Father.

 

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Of course I see that but you know as well as I that it is up to the Father to draw one to Jesus and to give them the faith necessary to believe in what was accomplished.
When He does that for each individual is up to Him. You did not come until you were dragged, neither did I, although sometimes one would want to take credit
for their own WORK of accepting Christ, but it was not accepted it was given and God does not repent of any calling or gift. We both know that no human can acquire the
GIFT of the Holy Ghost by any human means as it is a gift that resides IN you.
Romans 11:29 "For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance."

Yes I believe in election and predestination. But I also know by the words of God that not all are chosen to be saved. God said some vessels are made for destruction.

To believe in Universalism you would have to ignore the majority of scripture that warns sinners of the wages of sin and eternal damnation.

You would have to cast aside the whole process of salvation, faith, obedience, sanctification, purification etc. I mean if all are saved as you suggest, there would be no need for all that.

Faith in Jesus Christ is faith in the Word of God, because that is who He is. But if you ignore all the words of God that go against that Universalist doctrine, then it is not faith in Jesus Christ.

Jesus said man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Sorry to say that Universalism does not believe every word of God. Therefore they reject Jesus Christ, who is the very Word of God.

 

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Yes I believe in election and predestination. But I also know by the words of God that not all are chosen to be saved. God said some vessels are made for destruction.

The vessel is the body of flesh and there will be those within each dispensation of time and subsequent harvests that are destroyed.

To believe in Universalism you would have to ignore the majority of scripture that warns sinners of the wages of sin and eternal damnation.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; BUT the GIFT OF GOD is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." You must be drawn to Jesus for salvation and only the Father can do that.
So again it is explicitly up to the Father to do the calling!
And the gifts and callings of God are without repentance and that GIFT will eventually be given to ALL. Romans 5:18

You would have to cast aside the whole process of salvation, faith, obedience, sanctification, purification etc. I mean if all are saved as you suggest, there would be no need for all that.

Salvation is a gift as it is obtained by the faith that is given to you. Only the Father can reveal the Son to anyone, therefore; it is up to the Father to do the revealing and the drawing.
Having faith in your eternal destination is different than faith unto salvation. As your eternal faith will be tested and tried and refined and purified for it is faith in God to do what He has
said He would do within the words of the Bible. Prior to salvation you did not know God nor do you until He is revealed to you by Jesus.
Obedience is not about salvation it's all about growing into a son. Jesus was obedient unto death and thus became the author of salvation and a life giving Spirit. If you would become the
same then this type of obedience is required of you just as it was of Him. Jesus tells us that He has sat down in His Fathers throne and He is going to share that throne with us. He also
tells us that NOTHING shall be impossible for us. This is what obedience obtains.
Sanctification is through the words of God, but only produces separation when the words have conformed you into the image of the first begotten Son.
Purification is turning from evil and doing good, but your good works do not apply to salvation, they are only a sign of your faith and appreciation of what has been done for you.
When you received the gift of the Holy Ghost you were empowered to BECOME a son of God, there in is where the other things come into play, the BECOMING.

But if you ignore all the words of God that go against that Universalist doctrine, then it is not faith in Jesus Christ.

My faith in Jesus Christ is just higher than yours, in that I believe that He died for ALL and that ALL will enter into life according to the verses I gave earlier. His death was a much greater
sacrifice that purchased ALL than the original sin that caused God to pronounc condemnation upon ALL men. Gaining the knowledge of good and evil was the sin in that Adam
specifically disobeyed God in partaking of that fruit. However; without that knowledge man could never be like God, thus the fall of man was by design. No need for the sacrifice and obedience
of Jesus unless that had happened. But Jesus was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world to be the sacrifice for sin. How does that work when no one exists yet?

1 Timothy 2:6 "Who gave Himself a RANSOM FOR ALL, to be testified in due time." If He was the ransom for ALL do you contest that God will not give Him all that He died for?

Sorry to say that Universalism does not believe every word of God. Therefore they reject Jesus Christ, who is the very Word of God.

Not hardly. There is no rejection of our Lord here. However, there is lack in the understanding of every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Jesus said that His words were the words of the Father who told Him what to say right? So when He says "If you continue in my word you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"
God is speaking to His words of written in the law and the prophets and exposed in the New Testament as to what had occurred 2,000 yrs ago. That said, what is the truth that
sets anyone free? Is it that God chose you and the rest are doomed? Is it that you accepted Jesus as your saviour so now you deserve eternal life and those that don't do what you did
deserve what they get?
Or is it possible that freedom, found within the truth of the word, is that ALL have been selected for eternal life and they would never have been placed here in the first place unless
God already had them covered just as He did you?
What scenario sounds more like LOVE which is what God is? After all God promised eternal life before the world began. Titus 1:2 Only thing up for debate is was it ALL or only some?

What I have supplied via scripture says ALL.

 

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The vessel is the body of flesh and there will be those within each dispensation of time and subsequent harvests that are destroyed.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; BUT the GIFT OF GOD is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." You must be drawn to Jesus for salvation and only the Father can do that.
So again it is explicitly up to the Father to do the calling!
And the gifts and callings of God are without repentance and that GIFT will eventually be given to ALL. Romans 5:18

Salvation is a gift as it is obtained by the faith that is given to you. Only the Father can reveal the Son to anyone, therefore; it is up to the Father to do the revealing and the drawing.
Having faith in your eternal destination is different than faith unto salvation. As your eternal faith will be tested and tried and refined and purified for it is faith in God to do what He has
said He would do within the words of the Bible. Prior to salvation you did not know God nor do you until He is revealed to you by Jesus.
Obedience is not about salvation it's all about growing into a son. Jesus was obedient unto death and thus became the author of salvation and a life giving Spirit. If you would become the
same then this type of obedience is required of you just as it was of Him. Jesus tells us that He has sat down in His Fathers throne and He is going to share that throne with us. He also
tells us that NOTHING shall be impossible for us. This is what obedience obtains.
Sanctification is through the words of God, but only produces separation when the words have conformed you into the image of the first begotten Son.
Purification is turning from evil and doing good, but your good works do not apply to salvation, they are only a sign of your faith and appreciation of what has been done for you.
When you received the gift of the Holy Ghost you were empowered to BECOME a son of God, there in is where the other things come into play, the BECOMING.

My faith in Jesus Christ is just higher than yours, in that I believe that He died for ALL and that ALL will enter into life according to the verses I gave earlier. His death was a much greater
sacrifice that purchased ALL than the original sin that caused God to pronounc condemnation upon ALL men. Gaining the knowledge of good and evil was the sin in that Adam
specifically disobeyed God in partaking of that fruit. However; without that knowledge man could never be like God, thus the fall of man was by design. No need for the sacrifice and obedience
of Jesus unless that had happened. But Jesus was foreordained BEFORE the foundation of the world to be the sacrifice for sin. How does that work when no one exists yet?

1 Timothy 2:6 "Who gave Himself a RANSOM FOR ALL, to be testified in due time." If He was the ransom for ALL do you contest that God will not give Him all that He died for?


Not hardly. There is no rejection of our Lord here. However, there is lack in the understanding of every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

Jesus said that His words were the words of the Father who told Him what to say right? So when He says "If you continue in my word you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free"
God is speaking to His words of written in the law and the prophets and exposed in the New Testament as to what had occurred 2,000 yrs ago. That said, what is the truth that
sets anyone free? Is it that God chose you and the rest are doomed? Is it that you accepted Jesus as your saviour so now you deserve eternal life and those that don't do what you did
deserve what they get?
Or is it possible that freedom, found within the truth of the word, is that ALL have been selected for eternal life and they would never have been placed here in the first place unless
God already had them covered just as He did you?
What scenario sounds more like LOVE which is what God is? After all God promised eternal life before the world began. Titus 1:2 Only thing up for debate is was it ALL or only some?

What I have supplied via scripture says ALL.

Any false doctrine takes a few cherry picked verses and tries to build a doctrine on just a few select verses. The Problem is, they ignore all the other verses that contradict their beliefs.

The words of God do not contradict. You quoted Titus 1:2, here it is in context….
Titus 1:1-2
1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;”

Notice in verse 1 Paul is talking about God’s ELECT who acknowledge the truth. Gods promise of Eternal life is to His Elect.

Nothing in that says all people are saved. None of the prophets, apostles, or Jesus said all people are going to be saved. That is make a belief fantasy land doctrines of men.

Universalism is just another sin all you want and still be saved doctrine of the Devil. It is the same lie the serpent told Eve.

I hope you can come to see the error in it before it’s too late.

 

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Universalism is just another sin all you want and still be saved doctrine of the Devil. It is the same lie the serpent told Eve.

I never espoused sin all you want and you know that so don't try to hang that on me. Everyone was made a sinner from the womb just as you and I, however God did that on purpose
in the condemnation so that all would be brought back to Him through Christ after the sacrifice was made. That was and is His plan.

You ever wonder why the vast majority of true Christians believe without having seen anything? But lets take Pauls conversion as an example. He was on his way to arrest followers of the way
and was struck blind by the Lord Himself as he was a chosen vessel who was to suffer for Jesus' names sake. Thomas would not believe unless he put his fingers in the nail holes and
saw him with his own eyes, and yet both these two men received the promise of the Holy Ghost but not according to anything they had ever done as it is not earned (works). Now why
would God allow these two to receive of His Spirit while tormenting the vast majority of His creation in an eternal lake of fire? Does that sound fair for God to discriminate that way?
Or was it just these two had come to their turn to receive the gift?

Notice in verse 1 Paul is talking about God’s ELECT who acknowledge the truth. Gods promise of Eternal life is to His Elect.

Not exactly. He states that he is a servant of God, and an Apostle of Christ, according to the faith of Gods elect.................... So what is he actually saying? He's describing himself as an elect
of God by faith, a servant of God, and an Apostle of Jesus Christ.
In verse 2 he is saying that he is in hope of eternal life which God promised before the world began.

Notice in verse 1 Paul is talking about God’s ELECT who acknowledge the truth. Gods promise of Eternal life is to His Elect.

This is not what he is saying.
However you make a point here that it is God who has elected the elect. That part is very true and each that God elects will enter into life eternal.

It is amazing how one can find one line in a post and change it to fit their set of beliefs and ignore the numerous scriptures provided that do say that ALL are to be reconciled.
The only way that ALL can be reconciled is if ALL are saved.

Phl 2:11 "And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Now do we suppose that God would be glorified by sinners that
were destined to be tortured forever and ever by Him to call Jesus Lord? Do we really believe that's what is meant here? Or is it actually meaning that "as no man can say
that Jesus Christ is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost." 1 Co 12:3 That every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord because they have the Holy Ghost residing in them?
Would this not rather glorify the Father more than the other? Indeed how would the first scenario glorify anyone that was called love?

I will let this go for now as you are not able to receive this manna, as it is reserved for the overcomer of Rev 2:12-17 And that still appears to be an obstacle?

 

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Again, No where in God’s word does it say ALL mankind will be saved. That is a doctrine of the Devil because it rejects the conditions God has set for salvation and eternal life.

It also rejects all the warnings about eternal destruction and damnation. To reject the testimony of Jesus Christ is not faith in Jesus Christ. The warnings are clear!

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into “everlasting fire,”prepared for the devil and his angels:”

46 And these shall go away into “everlasting punishment:” but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath NEVER forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.”

John 5:29
And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Romans 13:2
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lakewhich burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

They SHALL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God!

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”

Revelation 22:14-15

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14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.”

Those who reject the words of God also reject Jesus Christ

 

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1 Tim 4:1-8
1 Tim 4:9-10 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, SPECIALLY OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
11-THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH.

When you read the first 8 verses it a discourse about a lot of things, departing from the faith, seducing spirits, doctrines of devils, forbidding to marry, and being commanded to abstain from meats which is not of God.
Then he goes on to tell Timothy to keep the brethren in mind of these things which shall befall the world and to not conform to it.

Now the interesting verse is 10, where Paul specifically states that God IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

Now if God is the Saviour of ALL then He must have provided for their salvation already or Paul could not say this, and we know that the scripture doesn't lie as He is speaking expressly to what the Spirit had said to Him.
Verse 1 1Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly.................

The second part of the verse SPECIALLY THOSE THAT BELIEVE. These are they who have come into the knowledge of salvation as they have already been born again according to the time line the Father had set prior to
the founding of the world. BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER???

Now verse 10 in order to be true and not a lie would mean that God has indeed saved ALL men, however; He just hasn't let most in on it yet. Thus "specially those that believe"
Faith necessary to believe must be dispensed by the Father in order to become a believer, thus the law of faith can only be fulfilled when you have received that gift of faith from His hand.

 

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And notice what Paul has to say about the previous 10 verses in 1 Timothy in verse 11 "THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH." How do we leave out the God is the Saviour of ALL men part and teach the rest??
Indeed some teach contrary to the word for they do not teach that God is the Saviour of ALL men, and don't because they do not understand it nor believe it!

 

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1 Tim 4:1-8
1 Tim 4:9-10 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, WHO IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, SPECIALLY OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE.
11-THESE THINGS COMMAND AND TEACH.

When you read the first 8 verses it a discourse about a lot of things, departing from the faith, seducing spirits, doctrines of devils, forbidding to marry, and being commanded to abstain from meats which is not of God.
Then he goes on to tell Timothy to keep the brethren in mind of these things which shall befall the world and to not conform to it.

Now the interesting verse is 10, where Paul specifically states that God IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

Now if God is the Saviour of ALL then He must have provided for their salvation already or Paul could not say this, and we know that the scripture doesn't lie as He is speaking expressly to what the Spirit had said to Him.
Verse 1 1Tim 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly.................

The second part of the verse SPECIALLY THOSE THAT BELIEVE. These are they who have come into the knowledge of salvation as they have already been born again according to the time line the Father had set prior to
the founding of the world. BUT EVERY MAN IN HIS OWN ORDER???

Now verse 10 in order to be true and not a lie would mean that God has indeed saved ALL men, however; He just hasn't let most in on it yet. Thus "specially those that believe"
Faith necessary to believe must be dispensed by the Father in order to become a believer, thus the law of faith can only be fulfilled when you have received that gift of faith from His hand.

I believe what Paul is saying, when He said God is the Saviour of “all men” he means both Jew and Gentile.

Romans 3:29-30

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29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.”

God also said that there is no Saviour but Him. But I also do believe that God is going to forgive some of the flesh and blood Jews who did not believe in Jesus.

I believe that is shown here….

Hosea 13:14
I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes.”

But remember Paul said they are still of the Elect

Romans 11:28
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.