A powerful 2018 prophetic word

[Bill]

When i read the passage of the two in the field , something that comes to mind. It never says which are the Christian and which isnt . Maybe they both are Christian.

 

[Sue D.]

Then Why was one 'taken' and the other 'left behind'. The believer was taken Up and the non-believer left behind.

 

[lecoope]

No one listens , as many are caught in the lie of the pre trib rapture . They are so certain God will snatch them at the last second . The fulness of Scripture does not support this. If God does not allow struggle and hardship, how is a person ever to grow up . Just ask the Israelites who lived in Egypt

Sorry, my friend, but pretrib is written, so not a lie. Look in Rev. 7: the great crowd too large to number: it is the raptured church. To compare, the "tribulaiton" or the 70th week does not begin until the 7th seal in chapter 8. That spells PRE....

What do you mean, the "last second?" Actually, you are very close: the rapture may well be only seconds before God's wrath begins. It begins at the 6th seal. The rapture is just before that.

Why would ANYONE ask the Israelites about the rapture? They don't even believe Jesus is their Messiah!

 

[lecoope]

It wont be ratpured before any tribulation.

I dont see the church in China being raptured , yet thier very lives are in danger by being Christian. They are persecuted relentlessly.

I never read where in scripture , God lead his people to the Hilton Hotel out of Egypt. Infact they suffered for 40 yrs until they got to the promised land.

Lot and his wife ( pillar of salt ) were uprooted and lead out to start all over,

What makes you think we will get the best deal. Where is the suffering, ' did you break a finger nail ?

It is not what you think or what I think or what anyone "thinks:" it is what the bible tells us. The "trib" or 70th week begins at the 7th seal. John saw the great crowd too large to number BEFORE the 7th seal. That means PRE....

 

[Reba1]

Then Why was one 'taken' and the other 'left behind'. The believer was taken Up and the non-believer left behind.

What is your opinion of who was taken and who was left at the time of Noah?

 

[Sue D.]

@Reba1 -- it's not my opinion that matters -- Noah and his family were the only righteous people on earth at that time. God gave Noah exact details of how to build that ark. It wasn't built 'over-night' -- no doubt there was plenty of time for the people to listen to What an ark Was and why it was being built. Did anyone believe what he was saying? Apparently , not cause Noah and his wife and kids were the only people who got saved in that ark. Everyone else died in those flood waters.

 

[Reba1]

Then Why was one 'taken' and the other 'left behind'. The believer was taken Up and the non-believer left behind.

@Reba1 -- it's not my opinion that matters -- Noah and his family were the only righteous people on earth at that time. God gave Noah exact details of how to build that ark. It wasn't built 'over-night' -- no doubt there was plenty of time for the people to listen to What an ark Was and why it was being built. Did anyone believe what he was saying? Apparently , not cause Noah and his wife and kids were the only people who got saved in that ark. Everyone else died in those flood waters.

isn't "The believer was taken Up and the non-believer left behind." an opinion?

 

[Sue D.]

Not when a person looks at the context of the passage.

 

[Bill]

Sorry, my friend, but pretrib is written, so not a lie. Look in Rev. 7: the great crowd too large to number: it is the raptured church. To compare, the "tribulaiton" or the 70th week does not begin until the 7th seal in chapter 8. That spells PRE....

What do you mean, the "last second?" Actually, you are very close: the rapture may well be only seconds before God's wrath begins. It begins at the 6th seal. The rapture is just before that.

Why would ANYONE ask the Israelites about the rapture? They don't even believe Jesus is their Messiah!

The only rapture will be at Jesus return

 

[Bill]

@Reba1 -- it's not my opinion that matters -- Noah and his family were the only righteous people on earth at that time. God gave Noah exact details of how to build that ark. It wasn't built 'over-night' -- no doubt there was plenty of time for the people to listen to What an ark Was and why it was being built. Did anyone believe what he was saying? Apparently , not cause Noah and his wife and kids were the only people who got saved in that ark. Everyone else died in those flood waters.

But to who did Noahs children marry

 

[Sue D.]

The rapture is when Jesus Christ meets all born again believers -- death and alive -- in the air. In the twinkling of an eye.

 

[Bill]

There are questions that may never get answered. To who did Noah's children marry. Or how is it that Aztec writtings speak of the great flood, when Noah's family landed on Mt Ararat

 

[Sue D.]

But to who did Noahs children marry

Noah's sons had wives and they had children. The family was righteous in God's eyes.

 

[Bill]

The rapture is when Jesus Christ meets all born again believers -- death and alive -- in the air. In the twinkling of an eye.

Correct , after the anti Christ

 

[Sue D.]

Whenever the rapture takes place -- we aren't told 'when' just that it Will happen.

I would venture that the rapture takes place either right before the 7 yr tribulation time or just before the mid-point.

Born-again believers have Accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah. The 7 yr trib. time is for the non-accepting Jews to come to Christ as their Messiah. So -- Why should the Church have to be around during that time.

 

[Bill]

Noah's sons had wives and they had children. The family was righteous in God's eyes.

The thing about Noah , as with Lot and Israelites with Moses, they were lead away from one situation, but had to endure another . None of them had a better deal than us, and we are much more leisurely that most of the world, like Chinese Christians. So what are we escaping from exactly .

Are you fearful God will take us down with the rest of the world ? Where is your faith. Trust in God.

Jesus doesnt teach a message of running away, but one of strength , endurance and love

He teaches us to bare the burden, carry the cross. And we will find our treasure at the End of the race ( Paul )

 

[Bill]

Whenever the rapture takes place -- we aren't told 'when' just that it Will happen.

I would venture that the rapture takes place either right before the 7 yr tribulation time or just before the mid-point.

Born-again believers have Accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah. The 7 yr trib. time is for the non-accepting Jews to come to Christ as their Messiah. So -- Why should the Church have to be around during that time.

You just said, you didnt know when . Then the next line you are guessing .

Being prepared , being in the state of grace IS important. But not for the supposed rapture. You should always be in the state of grace because you are striving to be Holy . To be like Jesus.

This IS the problem with the rapture theology, that the Rapture ITSELF has greater meaning than " be Holy for I am Holy "

And what is now happening, the rapture concept has become greater than Jesus

 

[Sue D.]

God will give Jesus Christ the Right time to get His Church out of this mess of a world. And then -- at His appointed time -- Jesus Christ will return to this earth and reign for 1,000yrs. with believers with Him.

God had a plan for them as He does for all of us.

'We' will be taken out of this world Before God vents His anger at His chosen people for not listening to Him. That's what those 7 yrs. are for -- God dealing with Israel. And during those 7 yrs. is when the marriage super of the Lamb will take place.

Believers have Always endured persecution in various ways / forms. That's nothing new.

I'm a pre-trib rapture person just like many others.

 

[Sue D.]

You just said, you didnt know when . Then the next line you are guessing .

Being prepared , being in the state of grace IS important. But not for the supposed rapture. You should always be in the state of grace because you are striving to be Holy . To be like Jesus.

This IS the problem with the rapture theology, that the Rapture ITSELF has greater meaning than " be Holy for I am Holy "

And what is now happening, the rapture concept has become greater than Jesus

What exactly are you referring to as 'being in the state of grace'.

The rapture is Not 'greater than Jesus' -- how Could it be? the rapture Is Jesus Christ coming For His Bride / the Church / all born-again believers -- whatever a person would refer to that group of people as. And No one knows when it will take place. The post-tribers are guessing as well as the mid-tribers. They all have their reasons for stating 'when' it will take place. But 'we' Do know it's going to take place.

 

[Bill]

God will give Jesus Christ the Right time to get His Church out of this mess of a world. And then -- at His appointed time -- Jesus Christ will return to this earth and reign for 1,000yrs. with believers with Him.

God had a plan for them as He does for all of us.

'We' will be taken out of this world Before God vents His anger at His chosen people for not listening to Him. That's what those 7 yrs. are for -- God dealing with Israel. And during those 7 yrs. is when the marriage super of the Lamb will take place.

Believers have Always endured persecution in various ways / forms. That's nothing new.

I'm a pre-trib rapture person just like many others.

I am well aware that you are a pre tripper, as many here are . And you will see the fulness of the devil's delusion unfold before your very eyes. Many very strong , born again Christians you know personally will fall because they put thier stock into the pretrip rapture . And not into being Holy for the sake of being Holy.

Some very close to you , after realizing it was a false teaching will join the One World Church. They will even take the mark of the beast.

I am telling you, the Mark of the Beast will be the greatest challenge to all Christinedome.

It is why i pray for you, Sue , especially you and your family.

I know your heart