America in the Bible

[james1523]

Per God's Birthright first given to Abraham, then to his son Isaac, then to his son Jacob whom God renamed Israel, the Birthright then went to Jacob's son Joseph and then to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, where it still is today.

God made Ephraim the head tribe over the ten tribes in the northern kingdom of Israel after Solomon's days. And Ephraim's seed was to become "a multitude of nations" per the Gen.48 prophecy given to him from God through Jacob (Israel).

The ten tribes were then taken captive to Assyria and the land of the Medes by God's hand because of their falling away to Baal worship. There in those lands they lost their heritage and identity as part of Israel. The house of Judah at Jerusalem remained and became known as Jews, and did not lose their identity as the other part of Israel.

Thus Israel has always been two nations apart since that split of 1 Kings 11 forward. The missing link to the identity of the ten tribes after their scattering has been discovered in the Assyrian tablets, and translated to show they were the Cimmerian and Scythian tribes that migrated into eastern and western Europe becoming known mainly by the Celtic peoples which established those nations in Europe.

The peoples from those European nations were the founders of the 13 colonies that became the United States of America. This is why there's many symbols in the U.S. and the European nations to show heritage of Israel.

Prior to the Christian conversion of the European tribes, the European tribes did not worship God or Baal, but the pagan gods, the earth, committing animal and human sacrifices, with symbols unrelated to Israel. Therefore they have never been true Israelites.

Any symbols of US and European nations related to Israel was made after their conversion to Christianity, to give themselves a sense of identity and acceptance in the Roman Catholic world, to gain favor with kings and Popes, and to try and cleanse themselves from their pagan and barbarian origins.

 

[NoHype]

Prior to the Christian conversion of the European tribes, the European tribes did not worship God or Baal, but the pagan gods, the earth, committing animal and human sacrifices, with symbols unrelated to Israel. Therefore they have never been true Israelites.

You don't know your Bible history, because those kind of pagan things is what Baal worship was about which the ten tribes had fallen away into, which was what God cast the ten tribes out of the holy land for. The house of Judah at Jerusalem also later fell to those things and God punished them for it with their later captivity to Babylon (see Jeremiah 19).

When The Gospel then went to Asia Minor and Europe after being rejected in Jerusalem, those European peoples began to put away their idols and worshiped The Father through His Son Jesus Christ, becoming the Christian nations of history.

Any symbols of US and European nations related to Israel was made after their conversion to Christianity, to give themselves a sense of identity and acceptance in the Roman Catholic world, to gain favor with kings and Popes, and to try and cleanse themselves from their pagan and barbarian origins.

The Scots in their Declaration of Arbroath (1300 A.D.) declared their heritage from Israel, and not in relation to any Catholic religious system idea, which of course you only made that idea up. God had said in the OT prophets that some of those among the diaspora would understand, thus keeping knowledge of their heritage from Israel. The Scottish declaration of independence is one such evidence.

But the biggest evidence is that The Gospel was sent to those nations specifically where the ten tribes had migrated to as a majority of people, thus fulfilling the Gen.35 & 48 prophecy that Jacob's seed would become "a company of nations" and Ephraim "a multitude of nations".

 

[james1523]

The Scots in their Declaration of Arbroath (1300 A.D.) declared their heritage from Israel, and not in relation to any Catholic religious system idea, which of course you only made that idea up. God had said in the OT prophets that some of those among the diaspora would understand, thus keeping knowledge of their heritage from Israel. The Scottish declaration of independence is one such evidence.

But the biggest evidence is that The Gospel was sent to those nations specifically where the ten tribes had migrated to as a majority of people, thus fulfilling the Gen.35 & 48 prophecy that Jacob's seed would become "a company of nations" and Ephraim "a multitude of nations".

1300 AD is fairly late, like I said, at that time, it was common to gain a sense of national identity by claiming Christian or Jewish heritage, which is not true. The lost tribes theory is also coming from the need to find a sense of belonging or identity or connection with Israel. Countries today also try to gain legitimacy by claiming special status, eg the USA claims to be "one nation under God", well that may be true but it is not special or unique because every nation is under God so it doesn't mean anything really.

According to God's judgement, the tribes themselves did not become nations, they became dispersed among the nations which were already there and left few in number:

Deut 4:27 And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.

The Israelites did not become gentiles neither did they found those gentile nations into which they were scattered.

This is also proved by James 1:1 who writes to the 12 tribes of Israel, scattered among the nations.

Additionally, the Muslim nations also can claim to be founded by the lost tribes of Israel, and have as much legitimacy according to your claim as the Western nations. Many of the descendants of Israel from the lost tribes are now practicing Muslims (e.g. the Afghans).

This lost tribes becoming gentiles doctrine also undermines the truth of the Body of Christ which says there is no Jew or Gentile (Gal 3:28), so it has no practical relevance to Christianity.

 

[tulsa 2011]

Dispensationalism causes its followers not to be able to see that the New Testament teaches that those of Old Covenant Israel who rejected Christ were cut off (Romans 11: 15-21). In fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy (II Kings 21: 13, Isaiah 29: 16 and Jeremiah 18: 1-6), physical Israel was transformed into a spiritual house (I Peter 2: 5-9), the physical Jew was no longer a true Jew but those led by the Spirit were true Jews (Romans 2: 17-29) and those of Old Covenant Israel without Christ formed in them and remaining in the physical are not the children of God (Romans 9:6-8) and in Galatians 3: 3-29 all who are in Christ are the seed of Abraham, meaning being a member of the chosen people by physical means - by genetics - was done away with. Yet Paul teaches in Romans 11: 1-5 that God did not cast away his people - Old Covenant Israel - because "Even now at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace." Dispensationalism prevents its followers from understanding that Old Covenant Israel was changed by Christ, and the prophecy on turning Jerusalem or physical Israel upside down, so that now the spiritual is on top instead of that which is merely physical, was fulfilled in that remnant Paul talks about in Romans 11: 5. Being a chosen people by physical genetics, animal sacrifice for sin, circumcision in the flesh of male members of Old Covenant Israel, the literal temple building, the feasts and holy days of the Ceremonial Law were all fulfilled and ended in Christ. They are called shadows in the New Testament (Hebrews 10: 1, Colossians 2: 17).

The refusal of dispensationalism to fully accept this change in physical Israel led that tradition of men to claim that God now has two peoples, Old Covenant Israel and the church, neither of which equal the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is all the elect, and any body - the church - which includes those not the elect is not the Body of Christ. Christ said in John 10: 16 that there is one fold, not two, and Paul in Romans 12: 5 says we, being many, are one body in Christ. Church, a mistranslation of ekklesia, is just the meetings, assemblies or congregations of Israel reborn as a spiritual house in Jesus Christ. Old Covenant Israel is no longer a people of God. Yet the door is open for any Jew to come to Christ and have him formed in them, while giving up all claim to being of the chosen people by race. There is one Body of Christ in New Testament doctrine, and to teach that there are now two Bodies of Christ is another Gospel, and Paul says in Galatians 1: 6-9 that if you follow another Gospel you are accursed.

This foundational error of dispensationalism has effects in many different areas, including the prophecies about the First Beast of Revelation 13, which includes the U.S. as an empire having some of the traits of the lion, bear and leopard empires which are post-Cross.

 

[NoHype]

Dispensationalism causes its followers not to be able to see that the New Testament teaches that those of Old Covenant Israel who rejected Christ were cut off (Romans 11: 15-21). In fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy (II Kings 21: 13, Isaiah 29: 16 and Jeremiah 18: 1-6), physical Israel was transformed into a spiritual house (I Peter 2: 5-9), the physical Jew was no longer a true Jew but those led by the Spirit were true Jews (Romans 2: 17-29) and those of Old Covenant Israel without Christ formed in them and remaining in the physical are not the children of God (Romans 9:6-8) and in Galatians 3: 3-29 all who are in Christ are the seed of Abraham, meaning being a member of the chosen people by physical means - by genetics - was done away with. Yet Paul teaches in Romans 11: 1-5 that God did not cast away his people - Old Covenant Israel - because "Even now at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace." Dispensationalism prevents its followers from understanding that Old Covenant Israel was changed by Christ, and the prophecy on turning Jerusalem or physical Israel upside down, so that now the spiritual is on top instead of that which is merely physical, was fulfilled in that remnant Paul talks about in Romans 11: 5. Being a chosen people by physical genetics, animal sacrifice for sin, circumcision in the flesh of male members of Old Covenant Israel, the literal temple building, the feasts and holy days of the Ceremonial Law were all fulfilled and ended in Christ. They are called shadows in the New Testament (Hebrews 10: 1, Colossians 2: 17).

The refusal of dispensationalism to fully accept this change in physical Israel led that tradition of men to claim that God now has two peoples, Old Covenant Israel and the church, neither of which equal the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is all the elect, and any body - the church - which includes those not the elect is not the Body of Christ. Christ said in John 10: 16 that there is one fold, not two, and Paul in Romans 12: 5 says we, being many, are one body in Christ. Church, a mistranslation of ekklesia, is just the meetings, assemblies or congregations of Israel reborn as a spiritual house in Jesus Christ. Old Covenant Israel is no longer a people of God. Yet the door is open for any Jew to come to Christ and have him formed in them, while giving up all claim to being of the chosen people by race. There is one Body of Christ in New Testament doctrine, and to teach that there are now two Bodies of Christ is another Gospel, and Paul says in Galatians 1: 6-9 that if you follow another Gospel you are accursed.

This foundational error of dispensationalism has effects in many different areas, including the prophecies about the First Beast of Revelation 13, which includes the U.S. as an empire having some of the traits of the lion, bear and leopard empires which are post-Cross.

I can agree with that as a spiritual concept related to Galatians 3 and Romans 5 & 9, but not any part that God has cast away His promises given specifically to the 'seed' of Israel; nor any such idea that those Rev.13:2 symbols from Daniel 7 relate to America.

Amos 9:8-15
8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.
9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
10 All the sinners of My people shall die by the sword, which say, "The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us."
11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
12 That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by My name, saith the LORD that doeth this.
13 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.
14 And I will bring again the captivity of My people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
(KJV)

That part in red about the land God has given the seed of Israel was given back in Israel's history, and Ezekiel 47-48 shows the land inheritances of the 12 tribes of Israel in final in God's future Kingdom.

We should pay particular attention to what Apostle Paul said in Romans 11 that God has not cast away His people which He foreknew:

Rom 11:1-2
1 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
(KJV)

Paul's Message in Romans 11 is actually a continuation of his subject in Romans 9. He would never disagree with God's prophecy in Jeremiah 31 about Israel remaining a chosen nation and people to Him for ever. So the Dispensationalists are actually very correct on that point about the seed of Israel continuing forever. That idea they did not make up, for it is written in God's Word emphatically.

So what is the difference? The difference is that only the 'believing' part of the seed of Israel is applied in Christ's Salvation, the rest of the seed of Israel being cut off that refuse. It's the same for anyone of any nation also that refuses God's Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ. In the latter part of Romans 11, Apostle Paul declares how the part of Israel God put in blindness will come to Christ's Salvation also eventually (meaning the unbelieving Jews which is only one part of the seed of Israel, the ten tribes making up the other part and actually the majority of the seed of Israel).

Hasn't anyone ever considered what Paul said in Romans 9 about God loving Jacob but hating Esau, even before they were born? It's from the OT Book of Malachi. There God showed Israel He chose them even before the foundations of the world. God meted out the nations and peoples before the foundation of this world.

This is why many Gentile brethren don't like the subject of God's prophecies about the ten lost tribes of Israel in their relation to God's Plan of Salvation through His Son Jesus Christ with The Gospel being sent to them and then their taking it (along with believing Gentile disciples) to the rest of the nations, all relating to western Christian history.

Some Gentile believers think it an insult to teach such a thing as Christ's Salvation involving the 'seed' of any one nation like the seed of Israel. Yet it is part of God's Word, the prophecies about it given long ago through God's OT prophets.

When our Lord Jesus promised His Apostles of the seed of Israel they each would sit upon a throne judging the 12 tribes of Israel in His future Kingdom, that was not about us Gentiles on those thrones. But we are included with believing Israel in Christ's future Kingdom, and that should be enough; so there's no need for us to try and destroy what God has already given specifically to the believing seed of Israel per His Salvation Promises.

 

[NoHype]

About the animal symbols of Rev.13:2 from Daniel 7...

The matter is not about any one specific nation or area on the earth; it is about the dragon's control over all... nations and peoples upon the earth for the end.

Rev 13:1-8
1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

This "beast" here is a kingdom beast. Our Lord Jesus uses those symbols of the "leopard", "bear", and "lion" from the Book of Daniel which related to the old beast kingdoms of Babylon (lion), Medo-Persia (bear), and Alexander's Grecia (leopard). The reason for using those is so we understand what 'kind' of "beast" this one of Rev.13:1 is, and... to also join the prophecies in Daniel for the end about the final beast kingdom to manifest just prior to Christ's second coming. Per Dan.2 & 3 we know Christ is to come and smite this final beast kingdom upon its feet of ten toes of iron mixed with clay, and then all... of the pieces of the beast statue together, come falling down.

The "dragon" gives that first beast its power, seat, and authority. The word "seat" is in relation to a throne. Who is the "dragon" per the Rev.12:7 and 20:2 Scripture? It is Satan himself.


3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Rev.13:1 mentioned that beast kingdom having "seven heads". Jesus showed John in Rev.17 those "seven heads" are "seven mountains" (not hills). In Rev.12:3-4 an earlier beast kingdom is revealed which was back when Satan drew a third of the angels (stars) into rebellion with him against God, and it had "seven heads" also. That earlier beast kingdom under Satan was before the foundation of today's world, which is why trying to apply those "seven heads" to Rome doesn't work, since Rome did not even exist back then at Rev.12:3-4. By this our Lord Jesus is pointing us back to the kind of world kingdom that Satan first rebelled against God with, a time even before Adam and Eve.

Notice the above verse says, "... and all the world wondered after the beast." That's because this beast kingdom of Rev.13:1 is going to involve the whole world, and not one little part of it.


4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Note verse 7 especially, that the dragon is given power over all... kindreds, and tongues, and nations. That's another pointer to the "seven heads" (or seven mountains of Rev.17) covering the whole known earth and all its peoples, every nation.


8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
(KJV)

This verse above is one that every believer on Christ should take a lot of time to ponder and consider, especially the part about who all will worship that "dragon" of the previous 4-7 verses.

Consider the unbelievers of Israel in that. Who would that "dragon" have to be for them to fall away to worship him? It would have to be their awaited Messiah. Consider those of Islam, who would that "dragon" have to be for them to bow to him? Allah. And for us Christians to be deceived into doing that, who that "dragon" have to appear as? As our Lord Jesus Christ.

Per Christ's, and His Apostle's warnings about the coming Antichrist/pseudo-Messiah, we as believers on Christ Jesus are not to bow in worship to that false one (the "dragon") which the rest of the world will bow to in thinking he is God. That is how complete a coverage of the whole earth, nations, and peoples that Rev.13:1 beast kingdom will manifest with in the last days prior to Christ's second coming. Clearly all nations will be involved in that beast kingdom that's coming. In Rev.11 through 17 we are shown its "seat" (throne) will be in the city of Jerusalem, which is where the early Church fathers also warned that the Antichrist would appear according to their understanding of God's Word.

 

[Jehonadab]

Pardon me for inserting my two cents but the sea being no more has nothing to do with the literal oceans no longer existing.

Here is the sea that will be no more:

Isaiah 57:20-21 "But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt. There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked."

Like the sand which poses a boundary for the sea, so is God's setting of limits upon how far wicked mankind can roar and churn against his will and his purposes:

Jeremiah 5:20 "Declare this in the house of Jacob, and publish it in Judah, saying,
21 Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:
22 Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?
23 But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone."

 

[Eric E Stahl]

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13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

Sheba and Dedan are Arab tribes in oil rich Arabia. Tarshish and its Young Lions are the revived Roman (Iron) empire with colonies (Including America). After Magog (Russia) and her allies are conquered the clay will be part of the empire again. The empire will go on to devour the whole world. Apostate Christianity (Harlot Babylon) will ride on the back of the Empire where it conquers.

 

[Eric E Stahl]

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Zechariah 2:6-9
6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me.

Over 1,250,000 Jews have left Russia and gone home to Israel.

So where are the Jews in the daughter of Babylon?


There are 6,000,000 Jews in America and only 3,000,000 Jews spread around the rest of the world.

America is probably the daughter of Babylon and future kingdom of antichrist called Babylon in Revelation 16:19.