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[Maureen]

Romans 2 v 4
Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Longsuffering, I read, and in many other verses of scripture also, I haven't read of God's patience running out, I'd be interested to read it though.

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

i will give you scripture later. i do not have time to get into all of it right now
...this nation as a whole is indeed going to see gods wrath.

I want to see the scripture. Until then, I would ask you to withhold other posts to other threads.

Rather... take the "time" you speak of which you don't have..

and take the time to find the scripture(s) you speak of.
Otherwise, you make your posts out.. only to be emotional upheavals.. without merit from the word to substantiate them.

LoJ

 

[Maureen]

Without scriptural reference, it is mere speculation on our part.

Romans 15 v 5
Now the God of patience and consolation grant you to be likeminded one toward another according to Christ Jesus:

All other verses that mention God's 'patience' does not speak about it 'running out' not that I can find anyway.

I'm very interested now even more so, to read chapter and verse were this is written please ushalk, thank you.

We really must not use our own words in making such statements, especially about God's word, unless we can direct others to the written word.

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

We really must not use our own words in making such statements, especially about God's word, unless we can direct others to the written word.

What she said..



; )

 

[ushalk]

so all of you believe that god is never going to poor his wrath out upon the world because of the wickedness in it. let us start with the story of noah. god got tired of mans wickedness and flooded the whole earth. what does revelations state. there is not speculatuion.

 

[ushalk]

you see here in america we seem to believe that we are free from anything and everything. god has poured his blessing out on us time and time again. yet we have made a mockery of him in our schools, on our televisions, in our government, in our society and even in our churches. yet people are going to sit here and tell me that we are not worthy of gods wrath as a nation. what in the world makes us so high and mighty?

we believe we are strong and right with god because we have abundantly, what does the scripture state about this. not to mention we are weak and unknowing.

i feel for those that claim to have faith because the day is coming when that faith is going to be tested by persecuters. the way we are taught in america the first time many get persecuted in a serious manner will be the time that they walk away from christ. why, because they have been lied to that everything is fluffy and great and life is perfect with christ. i think we need to start getting ready for the hard truths of gods word and start worshipping the lord in spirit and in truth.

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

...in spirit and in truth.

Speaking of truth..

I want you to consider these interesting facts with me please:

Unders Joseph Stalin's regime (1924-53):
The consensus figure for those that Joseph Stalin murdered when he ruled the Soviet Union is 20,000,000. The figure comes from the book by Robert Conquest, The Great Terror: Stalin’s Purge of the Thirties (Macmillan 1968).
I did a comprehensive overview of available estimates, including those by Conquest, and wrote a book, Lethal Politics, on Soviet democide to provide understanding and context for my figures. I calculate that the Communist regime, 1917-1987, murdered about 62,000,000 people, around 55,000,000 of them citizens.
As for Stalin, when the holes in Conquest’s estimates are filled in,
I calculate that Stalin murdered about 43,000,000 citizens and foreigners.
Source: Democraticpeace.wordpress.com

Next consider this:

Under Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975):

"Mao Tse-tung, who for decades held absolute power over the lives of one-quarter of the world's population, was responsible for well over 70 million deaths in peacetime, more than any other twentieth century leader." Chang and Halliday claim that he was willing for half of China to die to achieve military-nuclear superpowerdom. Estimates of the numbers of deaths during this period vary, though Chang and Halliday's estimate is one of the highest. Sinologist Stuart Schram, in a review of the book, noted that "the exact figure... has been estimated by well-informed writers at between 40 and 70 million".
Source: Wikipedia.com

Wouldn't it be fair to say these two countries are more deserving of Gods wrath, than the USA?
They have murdered the equivalent of 1/3 the population of the whole USA.

And yet, they are still here on the earth, and we've not seen God's wrath on them.

Because they are under grace. Just as much as the USA.

Isn't murder of innocent people a much greater sin than what goes on here in the US?
Wouldn't the consequences of murder be so much greater than those of pornography?

Please consider these questions carefully. I am sincere in my wanting you to think about it.




I would never discipline my son in such a harsh manner if I found he stole a pencil, as I would,
were I to discover he killed a cat.

God bless you with wisdom,
LoJ

 

[Maureen]

To Quote Lion_of_Judah
Wouldn't it be fair to say these two countries are more deserving of Gods wrath, than the USA?
They have murdered the equivalent of 1/3 the population of the whole USA.

And yet, they are still here on the earth, and we've not seen God's wrath on them.

Because they are under grace. Just as much as the USA.

While reading your above words these verses of scripture came to mind and I think they also relate to what you are speaking about above, Loin-of-Judah.

Genesis 18 v 23-26

23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

I believe this to have the same relevence today as it did back then when Abraham walked with God.

Bother, ushalk, have you not found the relevent scripture as yet to uphold your meaning, I have searched myself for such a scripture but I cannot see it, please can you come back with it now, Thank you.

 

[Copper25]

OK, here is my two cents on this.

Name a country that is not going to fall under God's wrath.

Truth be told, time is running out and this is the type of message that comes to my mind.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Every nation on this earth is going to be shaken by God, so seeing that this be true, our time shouldn't be spent arguing over which country deserves wrath more than the other because everyone of them will fall under the imminent judgement and furnece of God's hot anger and indignation.. Frankly we are steam rolling toward the end folks.

 

[Maureen]

OK, here is my two cents on this.

Name a country that is not going to fall under God's wrath.

Truth be told, time is running out and this is the type of message that comes to my mind.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Every nation on this earth is going to be shaken by God, so seeing that this be true, our time shouldn't be spent arguing over which country deserves wrath more than the other because everyone of them will fall under the imminent judgement and furnece of God's hot anger and indignation.. Frankly we are steam rolling toward the end folks.

Well said, come Lord Jesus come.
We waste much time rolling over stuff when we need to cut to the core really.

 

[ushalk]

To Quote Lion_of_Judah
Wouldn't it be fair to say these two countries are more deserving of Gods wrath, than the USA?
They have murdered the equivalent of 1/3 the population of the whole USA.

And yet, they are still here on the earth, and we've not seen God's wrath on them.

Because they are under grace. Just as much as the USA.

While reading your above words these verses of scripture came to mind and I think they also relate to what you are speaking about above, Loin-of-Judah.

Genesis 18 v 23-26

23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26And the LORD said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.

I believe this to have the same relevence today as it did back then when Abraham walked with God.

Bother, ushalk, have you not found the relevent scripture as yet to uphold your meaning, I have searched myself for such a scripture but I cannot see it, please can you come back with it now, Thank you.

have they truly killed more than the usa? how many babies are aborted in this nation every year? this is not counting all the innocent people our military has killed over the years. or how about the issue of greed there is in this nation. we have done everything possible in the name of the american dream and the mighty dollar bill.

the porn industry, the false gospel, the rape of people minds and the manipulation of this nation. sly like the snake, just creep up on you. we love this nation and a flag more than we love christ. we believe that we are saved by what we have or by our popularity. we believe that we are saved by our own deeds. we believe that we are saved because we said the sinners prayer. what point of the fact that christ is the only way and the only wisdom have we forgotten and turned from. yet we believe that we are undeserving of god wrath.

 

[Maureen]

Brother ushalk

I do not live in America, I do know we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, no matter were in the world we do live though.

Our we taking a 'Head Count' then of all the deaths?

God didn't reckon too much with Davids head count of the people then, things haven't changed, no need for comparisons.

Samuel 24 v 2 & 10
2. For the king said to Joab the captain of the host, which was with him, Go now through all the tribes of Israel, from Dan even to Beersheba, and number ye the people, that I may know the number of the people.

10. And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done: and now, I beseech thee, O LORD, take away the iniquity of thy servant; for I have done very foolishly.

Scripture ushalk? Please I am still interested to read it.

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

>have they truly killed more than the usa?
>how many babies are aborted in this nation every year?
>this is not counting all the innocent people our military has killed over the years.
>or how about the issue of greed there is in this nation.
>we have done everything possible in the name of the american dream and the mighty dollar bill.
>the porn industry,
>the false gospel,
>the rape of people minds and the manipulation of this nation.
>sly like the snake, just creep up on you.
>we love this nation and a flag more than we love christ.
>we believe that we are saved by what we have or by our popularity.
>we believe that we are saved by our own deeds.
>we believe that we are saved because we said the sinners prayer.
>what point of the fact that christ is the only way
>and the only wisdom have we forgotten and turned from.
>yet we believe that we are undeserving of god wrath.

Brother ushalk..

you seem to have a lot of anger..





I'm sorry for whoever did you wrong. It is clearly exhibited in your post.

Respectfully, LoJ

 

[ushalk]

i am angry you are right. i am angry that so many people are being told that they are saved and do not even have a clue of who christ really is. i am angry that so many people put so much oomph into this nation and pride into this nation and hope inthis nation. when this nation is just as wicked or even more wicked than all the others in this world. people set this nation on a pedistool as though it is good because we have churches that stand. but yet most of the churches that stand, stand in the name of money and power and set christ aside from it. yet they get up and put his name on all the programs they have and most of them suit the world rather than the kingdom of heaven.

we have this notion that life is perfect and nothing bad will ever happen to us. yet the world hated christ. and christ claimed that if the world hated him then the y would hate us. if we truly stand on christ we are hated even by the majority of americans in and out of the church. yet 86% of americans claim to know and love christ. what is wrong with this picture?

 

[sisterjb]

I first got so upset to see this. I had seen it about a month ago. So upset I was I couldn't hardly speak. But I sent it to all my contacts. Thank you, Maureen. I was reading all this for the first time and I agree with you. God loves us, come Jesus, come.

 

[spirit1st]

This nation is our Home,God put us here! It has been used by MY LORD JESUS CHRIST , More than any nation on earth! We should be praying for it and our leaders! I agree it dying spiritually ! Still we might be able to see some good yet come from this nation ? The church here is mighty , if they only got together and prayed good and healing for this Nation ?
You know ? If this nation falls which i know it will! The World will become MUCH more evil,
I do love my home land and hope those who call them selves GODS KIDSc here will pray for this nation and the TRUE body of OUR LORD HERE ! Maybe if we walk in HIS power , WE can SEe great changes here ? WE SEEc when the church gotgether asnd prayed for Peter ! God sent angels to free HIM and He was standing outside the church trying to get in !They did not know there prayers had been andwered !
Does OUR FATHER COUNTB OUR PRAYERS ALSO ?Of course! Can we pray together for our nation and the people here to be FREED !And alive Spiritually and living in LOVE and truth? YES!

 

[ushalk]

This nation is our Home,God put us here! It has been used by MY LORD JESUS CHRIST , More than any nation on earth! We should be praying for it and our leaders! I agree it dying spiritually ! Still we might be able to see some good yet come from this nation ? The church here is mighty , if they only got together and prayed good and healing for this Nation ?
You know ? If this nation falls which i know it will! The World will become MUCH more evil,
I do love my home land and hope those who call them selves GODS KIDSc here will pray for this nation and the TRUE body of OUR LORD HERE ! Maybe if we walk in HIS power , WE can SEe great changes here ? WE SEEc when the church gotgether asnd prayed for Peter ! God sent angels to free HIM and He was standing outside the church trying to get in !They did not know there prayers had been andwered !
Does OUR FATHER COUNTB OUR PRAYERS ALSO ?Of course! Can we pray together for our nation and the people here to be FREED !And alive Spiritually and living in LOVE and truth? YES!

be careful with the words that you chose. the church is mighty? which church the true body of christ or the business buildings standing up all over the country with a denomination name? what makes it mighty the false teachings coming out of it or the money that they all have?

i do not know if this nation was infact a christian nation. but i know right now it is a pagan nation. inside and outside of our churches here. i know that many are going to be offended by this truth but the truth is what is going to set us all free. i am not here for aplause or pats on the back or popularity. therefore if your fellings are hurt please pray before posting. because it is not the feelings that i care about but the soul of every man in this nation.

 

[spirit1st]

Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Jas 5:17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
Jas 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.

2Co 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
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Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.



Mat 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Act 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.
Act 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Act 12:5 Peter therefore was kept in prison: but prayer was made without ceasing of the church unto God for him.
Act 12:7 And, behold, the angel of the Lord came upon him, and a light shined in the prison: and he smote Peter on the side, and raised him up, saying, Arise up quickly. And his chains fell off from his hands.


WE can PRAY and SEE the LORD send ANGELS to free us and free others1
The Church is MIGHTY! They have a Part of the CREATOR with in them ,if they are indeed GODS CHILDREN!

HERE the church was Praying and GOD sent Angels to answer there prayers and when the Prayers were Answered? They were Amazed ? meaning they did not have great Faith!

We can do All things though our LORD!

If the true body of Christ ever got together prayingand Fasting? we would conqueror this evil world so quickly for our LORD!!

you would not beleive my testimonies and i am NO more than the least in HIS body!

 

[Lion_of_Judah]

Like, WOW dude :shock:

>which church the true body of christ or
>the business buildings standing up all over the country with a denomination name?
>what makes it mighty the false teachings coming out of it or the money that they all have?

>>>i do not know if this nation was infact a christian nation.
>>>but i know right now it is a pagan nation. inside and outside of our churches here.
>i know that many are going to be offended by this truth but the truth is what is going to set us all free.

1st of all.. I'm not hurt by your comments. But I'm wondering what you understand as the "truth".

2nd > You certainly show yourself ignorant of US history if you "do not know if this nation was infact a Christian nation."
Pick up a history book about the Revolutionary War and try reading about the founding fathers sometime.

~ It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible. - George Washington
~ Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God. - George Washington
~ Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate
to the government of any other. - John Adams
~ Power always thinks... that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws. - John Adams

Just to name a few you can follow up on.


3rd > I question if you understand what a 'pagan' nation is..? "Inside & out of the Church"..???

Lastly > What do you declare to be the true "body of Christ", in America then, if not the ones with 'denominational names'
over their doors, or that they may occupy a business building?


You said you "care about but the soul of every man in this nation". Thats good. So do I.

A final quote ~ Basic research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. - Wernher von Braun


Respectfully, LoJ

 

[ushalk]

Like, WOW dude :shock:





1st of all.. I'm not hurt by your comments. But I'm wondering what you understand as the "truth".

2nd > You certainly show yourself ignorant of US history if you "do not know if this nation was infact a Christian nation."
Pick up a history book about the Revolutionary War and try reading about the founding fathers sometime.

~ It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible. - George Washington
~ Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair; the rest is in the hands of God. - George Washington
~ Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate
to the government of any other. - John Adams
~ Power always thinks... that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws. - John Adams

Just to name a few you can follow up on.


3rd > I question if you understand what a 'pagan' nation is..? "Inside & out of the Church"..???

Lastly > What do you declare to be the true "body of Christ", in America then, if not the ones with 'denominational names'
over their doors, or that they may occupy a business building?


You said you "care about but the soul of every man in this nation". Thats good. So do I.

A final quote ~ Basic research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing. - Wernher von Braun


Respectfully, LoJ

first of all the church are those people that have accepted christ as their lord and saviour. secondly there is nothing in the bible of any denominations. they were brought about to cause devision and they have done so. churche is a business in todays america. i know what a lot of our ex presidents have stated. but since you brought up history. show me where we are to be prejudice, what was slavory about. at what point did money beome the power over this country above christ?

i am willing to say that 80 to 85% of the churches in this nation are more about how to be popular than they are about giving people the truth written in the bible. ya know i went to a church dinner i was invited to and there was a young teenage man and a young teenage girl hanging all over each other. i talked with the young man about being a good spiritual leader and keeping from opening doors with that young girl. he states oh we are dating. since when has us dating made it alright to be physical with each other? where is this in the word.

here is another one, people always talking about they are ministering to people. but what they call ministering is promoting a church name. this is what is called sharing christ in the states these days. whatever makes a church popular. or what makes us popular. or it is taught that what we do for the church building is salvation. none of these things are written about in the bible. and if it popular in the world it is 100% not popular with god.