Are some people predestined for hell no matter what they do.

[Butch5]

Verse 13: And you Ephesian Christian, too, just like we/us Christians, have believed, and been sealed by the Holy Spirit, which is the earnest of our inheritance.

Some Jews are predestined, and some Gentiles are predestined.

Together they are the elect.

The passage says no such thing.

 

[Butch5]

If you've read the rest of the Bible, you can see that Romans 1:3-12 is describing Christianity.

The one Christianity.

You must be confused about Jews being the chosen people.

We're talking about Ephesian 1:3-12, not Romans

 

[David1954]

The passage says no such thing.

Grammatically, we can see that Paul is talking generally about Christianity (irrespective of Jewish or Gentile background) in Ephesians 1:2-12.

And then, dramatically, addresses the recipients of the letter, saying, and you, too, you Ephesians, have become part of this, because like all Christians (whether Jew or Gentile), you have believed and been sealed, receiving the earnest.

 

[David1954]

The passage says no such thing.

And I can prove I'm right about the grammar here, because of Galatians 3:28:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Butch5]

Grammatically, we can see that Paul is talking generally about Christianity (irrespective of Jewish or Gentile background) in Ephesians 1:2-12.

And then, dramatically, addresses the recipients of the letter, saying, and you, too, you Ephesians, have become part of this, because like all Christians (whether Jew or Gentile), you have believed and been sealed, receiving the earnest.

It's becoming apparently that you either can't or won't grasp a simply grammatical concept. There's really no point in continuing.

 

[Butch5]

And I can prove I'm right about the grammar here, because of Galatians 3:28:

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

You've just proven my point. Thanks!

 

[David1954]

You've just proven my point. Thanks!

I thought your point was Ephesians 1:3-12 HAS to be talking about Jews, because someone told you Christians aren't predestined.

 

[Godfearingman777]

No I don't believe so. The Bible clearly says that God would never will anyone to suffer but have eternal life. God is all love. He could never predestine anyone to go to Hell. People choose Hell for themselves by rejecting Christ. I think all that means is that God knows beforehand who will accept him and who will accept Hell. God loves us more than our parents love us. More than we love our own children. So no. He predestines no one go to Hell. That's a lie out of the pit if Hell to make others consider Him wicked which He is not. Please don't think God predestines man to Hell. That contradicts the loving nature of God.

God bless.
David

 

[David1954]

No I don't believe so. The Bible clearly says that God would never will anyone to suffer but have eternal life. God is all love. He could never predestine anyone to go to Hell. People choose Hell for themselves by rejecting Christ. I think all that means is that God knows beforehand who will accept him and who will accept Hell. God loves us more than our parents love us. More than we love our own children. So no. He predestines no one go to Hell. That's a lie out of the pit if Hell to make others consider Him wicked which He is not. Please don't think God predestines man to Hell. That contradicts the loving nature of God.

God bless.
David

Of course we are all interested in your opinion, tell us more, but obviously the Word rejects it.

 

[David1954]

No I don't believe so. The Bible clearly says that God would never will anyone to suffer but have eternal life. God is all love. He could never predestine anyone to go to Hell. People choose Hell for themselves by rejecting Christ. I think all that means is that God knows beforehand who will accept him and who will accept Hell. God loves us more than our parents love us. More than we love our own children. So no. He predestines no one go to Hell. That's a lie out of the pit if Hell to make others consider Him wicked which He is not. Please don't think God predestines man to Hell. That contradicts the loving nature of God.

God bless.
David

Lots of your opinions. Nothing about God's.

 

[Godfearingman777]

Of course we are all interested in your opinion, tell us more, but obviously the Word rejects it.

Respectfully it doesn't reject it. Have you ever read the book of John? I think that's where the verse is at.

 

[David1954]

You are stepping into a conversation, about a doctrine your denomination has taught you, and you have yet not shown God agrees with you.

 

[David1954]

And, of course, you can't, because Jesus disagrees with you.

 

[David1954]

But bring it on! I love this! Sharpen me!

 

[David1954]

espectfully it doesn't reject it. Have you ever read the book of John? I think that's where the verse is at.

Avoid ending a sentence with a preposition.

 

[David1954]

Avoid advancing doctrines Jesus disproves.

 

[Godfearingman777]

Sorry it turns out it was in Peter. Not John. Keep in mind I'm still in the process of finishing the Bible. Now if you'll excuse me. I've got more important things to worry about than debating the Bible with other Christian's. Believe what you want.

God bless.
David.

2 Peter 3:9 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

 

[David1954]

Sorry it turns out it was in Peter. Not John. Keep in mind I'm still in the process of finishing the Bible. Now if you'll excuse me. I've got more important things to worry about than debating the Bible with other Christian's. Believe what you want.

God bless.
David.

2 Peter 3:9 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

Lol... more important things than edifying the saints, which is our sole obligation.

 

[David1954]

We've learned enough about you, Godfearingman.

 

[David1954]

Go build up your personal glory.