ARE WE NUTS?

[Bill Taylor]

Are We Nuts?​

People are lining up again without a single thought as to what happened before the immature young fool tried yo murder the 45th president. I have no sympathy for his family but the world must learn that they do not deserve misery and we might never know the truth. If you, like I, are going to vote for President Trump, please, can we not be shooting and P---ing off those gun-toting Democrat Socialists?​

 

[MedicBravo]

His parents were also Leftoids. That doesn't exempt them from Jesus.
Try as we might the odds of 99% of people changing from evil, perverted, sin loving Leftists is all but nil.
God changed people who did far worse.
Wanted this dude's WIFE and sent him to war and at the time ensured he'd get killed.
Kept tax $ for himself while doing who knows what else that isn't listed.
It's too late for the dead; there's NO post-death repentance.

I've listed/linked the core beliefs of the Right and Left.
You will find that Leftist beliefs do NOT fit with God or the Bible.

 

[Hekuran]

Hello @MedicBravo just a reminder that you share space on this forum with me, a lifelong follower of Jesus who is also left leaning politically.

If you could tone down the insulting and dehumanising language such as 'leftoids' it would be appreciated

 

[B-A-C]

a lifelong follower of Jesus who is also left leaning politically.

Besides gun control and open borders, what other things do you like about the left? Is there anything you don't like about them at all?

 

[MedicBravo]

Hello @MedicBravo just a reminder that you share space on this forum with me, a lifelong follower of Jesus who is also left leaning politically.

If you could tone down the insulting and dehumanising language such as 'leftoids' it would be appreciated

Reminder?
I go off facts and evidence. If you find them subjectively "insulting and dehumanizing" that's on you.
I'll put a link again:

Democrat vs Republican - Comparison Chart from Diffen.com

Show me where God/Jesus says these things are good:
Community and social responsibility; I am guilty and responsible for someone else's actions even dead people.

Larger government and more government control. Note: Jesus had this problem and was ultimately had an unfair trial (like Donald Trump) and killed by the Romans and Jews decided how it was done.

Supports gay and other evil, perverted "unions".

Supports abortion.

UHC or higher taxes (by force) meaning I have to pay for someone else's medical care.
I'm NOT responsible for your or anyone else's medical care or ability to pay for it. You are not responsible for mine or ability to pay for it. They also support Obamacare which people were FINED For not having it.

Weaker military, i.e. less spending and allow "them/DEI" to infect our military.

Given the Right/Conservative beliefs those ARE by and large in line with God and the Bible.
We help those in need b/c we WANT to not b/c of the Left "forcing unjust laws" onto us.

 

[Hekuran]

Besides gun control and open borders, what other things do you like about the left? Is there anything you don't like about them at all?

For now I'm just asking that the tone of comments on the forum are kept civil

 

[Hekuran]

Reminder?
I go off facts and evidence. If you find them subjectively "insulting and dehumanizing" that's on you.
I'll put a link again:

Democrat vs Republican - Comparison Chart from Diffen.com

Show me where God/Jesus says these things are good:
Community and social responsibility; I am guilty and responsible for someone else's actions even dead people.

Larger government and more government control. Note: Jesus had this problem and was ultimately had an unfair trial (like Donald Trump) and killed by the Romans and Jews decided how it was done.

Supports gay and other evil, perverted "unions".

Supports abortion.

UHC or higher taxes (by force) meaning I have to pay for someone else's medical care.
I'm NOT responsible for your or anyone else's medical care or ability to pay for it. You are not responsible for mine or ability to pay for it. They also support Obamacare which people were FINED For not having it.

Weaker military, i.e. less spending and allow "them/DEI" to infect our military.

Given the Right/Conservative beliefs those ARE by and large in line with God and the Bible.
We help those in need b/c we WANT to not b/c of the Left "forcing unjust laws" onto us.

It's fine for you to hold different political views to me and for you to express them strongly. I don't think it's ok to use insulting a dehumanising language such as leftloids.

 

[Bill Taylor]

Besides gun control and open borders, what other things do you like about the left? Is there anything you don't like about them at all?

People on the Left think the assassination of a former President is ok and worry that we, who truly try to follow Yashua are offensive? We have not tried to shoot Baby Killer Joe, that I know of. When I was young I was a Bleeding Heart Liberal Deocrat that put feet to my utterances and defended Liberty in combat.

Back then the Socialist Democrats were worms and the Real Democrats were Conservative and were for the poor. Today members of the left murder cildren in the womb and Billionaire George Soros commands and funds the party and their violence... long live the Republicans.

Now, back on topic and forget the PMs?

 

[MedicBravo]

It's fine for you to hold different political views to me and for you to express them strongly. I don't think it's ok to use insulting a dehumanising language such as leftloids.

The Left has called and done far worse to us and with the assassination attempt of Trump just over a week ago, they get what the deserve.
"Leftoid" REALLY? That's quite tame.
The only words that should hurt are the Truth b/c a comfortable lie will lead people to Hell.
Have you even looked at your group's core beliefs? Do you understand them?
Again, who me where their beliefs line up with God and the Bible.

 

[MedicBravo]

For now I'm just asking that the tone of comments on the forum are kept civil

The Truth in all things, anything, isn't going to be civil.
There are people who think the Earth is flat despite the Sun and the planets are round.
Facts and evidence are just that. If someone embraces false things that's their problem.
Satan is the father of lies.
Jesus' words and actions most def made things "not civil". It's people's problem with the facts and even showing their opinions are wrong.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The Left has called and done far worse to us and with the assassination attempt of Trump just over a week ago, they get what the deserve.
"Leftoid" REALLY? That's quite tame.
The only words that should hurt are the Truth b/c a comfortable lie will lead people to Hell.
Have you even looked at your group's core beliefs? Do you understand them?
Again, who me where their beliefs line up with God and the Bible.

They get what they deserve?
Am I reading right those words from a Christian?

I know it gets your dander up, in thinking about liberal/leftist policies, and what they believe outside of Jesus and God's Word, their seeking of a Utopian society that is just not going to happen. If they pay attention to prophecy they'd know this. Still, to grind your teeth, at their blindness, when in truth but for Christ Jesus, we'd be as lost as well regardless off the policies we hold to outside of Jesus. (Heavy Sigh)

Why do you continue to bump your head into a wall, when knocking on the door with God's Word in the hope that through the Holy Spirit they may be moved is more than enough?
All you wind up with is a knot on your head brother, and cramps in the fingers!

Bring the word to them, and if they won't listen, kick the dust from your boots and move on! There just might be others out there that you can reach!

With the Love of Christ Jesus. Brotherly Hug.
YBIC
Nick
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[Twistie]

Is it possible to be part of the voting to put a man in charge n claim your not of the world?

Is it possible being apart of voting to put a man in charge and then state one puts Their trust in YH?

And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times

I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect

We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: They commit adultery and walk in lies; they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness. They are all of them unto Me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.”

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Is it possible to be part of the voting to put a man in charge n claim your not of the world?

Is it possible being apart of voting to put a man in charge and then state one puts Their trust in YH?

My answer to you dear sister, is yes, and yes again.
Remembering that all authority is God given, and that no authority is not off Him, then in the Spirit, be moved to vote according to YH will.

If you perceive/believe that voting, for you means being part of the world, then don't do it. Just remember that it may not be that way for another.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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[Bill Taylor]

For now I'm just asking that the tone of comments on the forum are kept civil

Politics are heart-felt when discussed and not an area for the thin-skinned. On another Christian Forum, I have been accused of terrible crimes against humanity for being a war veteran and until September I am banned from posting because I will vote for Trump, just as I have twice before. Will I return there? Yes, until my membership is removed, it is my duty. Are my feelings hurt? No.

 

[Bill Taylor]

Is it possible to be part of the voting to put a man in charge n claim your not of the world?

Is it possible being apart of voting to put a man in charge and then state one puts Their trust in YH?

And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times

I have given them your word, and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect

We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: They commit adultery and walk in lies; they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness. They are all of them unto Me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.”

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.
For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Youngster, we are instructed 27 times or more to live in the world responsibly but to be not a heathen.

1 John 2:15 ESV​

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.​

John 15:18-19 ESV​

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.​

1 John 4:9-10 ESV​

In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.​

1 Peter 2:9 ESV​

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.​

2 Timothy 4:16 ESV​

At my first defense no one came to stand by me, but all deserted me. May it not be charged against them!​

Romans 12:2 ESV / 6 helpful votes​

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Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

1 Peter 4:12 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

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Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.

1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

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I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”

John 17:1-26 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

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When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. ...

Isaiah 8:12 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

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“Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread.

1 Peter 3:13 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

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Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good?

2 Timothy 2:1-26 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

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You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also. Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. ...

Colossians 1:19-22 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

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For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,

Philippians 3:10 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

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That I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,

Philippians 3:1-21 ESV​

Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you is no trouble to me and is safe for you. Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; ...​

Philippians 1:16 ESV​

The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.​

Galatians 5:16 ESV​

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.​

1 Corinthians 15:54-55 ESV When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”​

John 1:9 ESV​

The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.​

Matthew 5:10 ESV​

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.​

Isaiah 8:13 ESV​

But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.​

Isaiah 2:1-22 ESV​

The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. O house of Jacob, come, let us walk in the light of the Lord. ...​

Psalm 119:105 ESV​

Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.​

Hebrews 11:1-40 ESV​

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the people of old received their commendation. By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. ...​

1 Corinthians 14:33-36 ESV For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached?​

Amos 2:1-16 ESV​

Thus says the Lord: “For three transgressions of Moab, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because he burned to lime the bones of the king of Edom. So I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the strongholds of Kerioth, and Moab shall die amid uproar, amid shouting and the sound of the trumpet; I will cut off the ruler from its midst, and will kill all its princes with him,” says the Lord. Thus says the Lord: “For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they have rejected the law of the Lord, and have not kept his statutes, but their lies have led them astray, those after which their fathers walked. So I will send a fire upon Judah, and it shall devour the strongholds of Jerusalem.” ...​

Psalm 19:1-14 ESV​

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy​

How should we ever love the lost and not vote for what is the very best? And we are to endeavor to be like Him. He did not hesitate to throw merchants out of the Temple the cebter of Worship and the basis of government.

 

[Charlie24]

Politics are heart-felt when discussed and not an area for the thin-skinned. On another Christian Forum, I have been accused of terrible crimes against humanity for being a war veteran and until September I am banned from posting because I will vote for Trump, just as I have twice before. Will I return there? Yes, until my membership is removed, it is my duty. Are my feelings hurt? No.

Bill, I served in the 82nd Airborne and never seen combat. I along with many others have the utmost respect for those like you who did.

God bless you, Brother!

 

[Laeomis]

The American people are getting purely mind-screwed with the reversal of political parties. The Conservative Democratic South were the slave owners, and the Liberal Republic of the North were the liberators. The liberal nature of the republican Protestants from Massachusetts is what encouraged the nation to express religious toleration and built the first university in America. Harvard University was founded in 1636. These views might not seem liberal to today's standards, but they were liberal at the time (Harvard). There were more parties in the building of the United States such as the Federalists and the Anti-Federalists which predated the Republican and Democratic Party. At this time in history the Republican and Democratic party were one party and they were against the Federalist Party (History, 2023). Students of History gives a brief history of the flip of the Republican and Democratic parties, and claims that they reversed roles in 1980 (n.d.). I am a Liberal Republican like it was originally not a Conservative Democrat, and I think everyone should get out of everyone else's parties and stop confusing things.

I really believe there is some sort of disinformation going on about parties and that foreign spies are involved. Cough Cough. Both sides of America were Christian but we did have a Civil War over it.

Harvard University. (n.d.). The history of Harvard.

The history of Harvard University

Since its founding in 1636, the Harvard community has created an enduring history of educational advancement, innovative leadership, and groundbreaking scholarly work.

www.harvard.edu

Editors of History.com. (2023, June, 21). Federalist party.

Federalist Party: Leaders, Beliefs & Definition | HISTORY

The Federalist Party was an early U.S. political party that fought for a strong federal government. Supporters included John Adams, Alexander Hamilton and John Jay.

www.history.com

Students of History. (n.d.). The great switch: How the Republican & Democratic parties switched ideologies.

The Great Switch: How Republicans and Democrats Flipped Ideologies

An overview of the realignment of the Republican Party and Democratic Party and how they flipped ideologies of liberal and conservative over the course of US History.

www.studentsofhistory.com

 

[Rhema]

The Truth in all things, anything, isn't going to be civil.

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.​

(Matthew 10:34-39 KJV)​

Would the term "whitewashed sepulchres" be acceptable to them?

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

My answer to you dear sister, is yes, and yes again.

To say and do nothing is to support evil, letting it have free reign.

But wisdom is needed as to where and when one should and should not wield the power of government, lest it be off with your head.

Rhema

 

[Hekuran]

The Truth in all things, anything, isn't going to be civil.
There are people who think the Earth is flat despite the Sun and the planets are round.
Facts and evidence are just that. If someone embraces false things that's their problem.
Satan is the father of lies.
Jesus' words and actions most def made things "not civil". It's people's problem with the facts and even showing their opinions are wrong.

I have no problem with discussing facts, and I am comfortable with robust debate. Using insulting and dehumanising language, though, puts up unnecessary barriers to good discussion.

I'm asking you kindly, politely and firmly to do better in the way you speak of others.