ARE WE NUTS?

[Charlie24]

Under Hebrew law it is up to the discretion of the husband. The whole section according to the New International Version for Exodus 21 is:

22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
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As you can see the husband demands a fine. The other law in Numbers 5 is specifically about abortion and is ordered by the husband and administered by Levitical priests. It doesn't make sense to prosecute a husband under Hebrew law for giving an abortion, because it is his right. The law in Exodus 21 only applies to mischief from people outside the marriage.

This is an issue we have been experiencing recently since the overturning of Roe Vs. Wade. Married couples are needing abortions for health issues and having to travel out of state. Does it make sense that the mother will have to die and give a still birth when she could have an abortion and have 10 more children? I'm not sure what your moral alignments are, but they are not always making sense modernly. These married couples are not having abortions for fun, but because they want to have more children in the future. There is no condemnation under Hebrew law for the husband demanding an abortion, it is his right.

It doesn't matter what the Hebrews did or what they do with Roe/Wade, God said life for life.

As a Christian first and a liberal second, does that give you any pause toward the Democrats?

 

[Laeomis]

It doesn't matter what the Hebrews did or what they do with Roe/Wade, God said life for life.

As a Christian first and a liberal second, does that give you any pause toward the Democrats?

It does matter because God wrote the whole passage not just that one verse. If you take God's word out of context and kill the husband, then God will require your life.

 

[Charlie24]

It does matter because God wrote the whole passage not just that one verse. If you take God's word out of context and kill the husband, then God will require your life.

Spoken as a true liberal. No regard whatsoever for the killing of human being in the womb.

 

[Charlie24]

Spoken as a true liberal. No regard whatsoever for the killing of human being in the womb.

Do you know how that I know these liberal pro-abortionists have no part with God?

They say the body of a woman belongs to her and she can do with it what she chooses.

The Apostle Paul said that our body is the temple of God and no longer ours, it belongs to God.

 

[Laeomis]

Do you know how that I know these liberal pro-abortionists have no part with God?

They say the body of a woman belongs to her and she can do with it what she chooses.

The Apostle Paul said that our body is the temple of God and no longer ours, it belongs to God.

Paul said the body of a woman belongs to her husband, and the husband belongs to Christ. That is exactly what it says in the Law of Moses, that it is the husband's right to demand an abortion if he believes his wife was cheating on him. Which is not with God. Pagans have been practicing abortion for whatever reasons they want with drugs since the beginning of time.

 

[Charlie24]

Paul said the body of a woman belongs to her husband, and the husband belongs to Christ. That is exactly what it says in the Law of Moses, that it is the husband's right to demand an abortion if he believes his wife was cheating on him. Which is not with God. Pagans have been practicing abortion for whatever reasons they want with drugs since the beginning of time.

The jealousy offering performed by the priest to curse the wife if she committed adultery does not mention the lose of life in the womb in the KJV.

The NIV has an add in on it.

 

[Rhema]

Under Hebrew law it is up to the discretion of the husband.

I believe the period at the end of your sentence may be a problem. Even your own scripture continues -

and the court allows.

When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman's husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine.​

(Exodus 21:22 NRSV)​

There is judicial oversight.

But remember, we're taking social justice policies from a culture that owned slaves ???

Rhema

 

[Rhema]

The NIV has an add in on it.

(Thank God I didn't use the NIV, eh?)

 

[MedicBravo]

I am a follower of Jesus first. Everything else is secondary.

Nothing else you have said here justifies using insulting language about people you disagree with.

It's subjectively insulting to those who hold that group and beliefs to be so important.
People can insult or blindly support the Republicans all they want. I DO NOT CARE.

You seem to feel you have been personally attack, of which I have not done.
Again, show me scripture where God supports Left political beliefs.
The Jew killed him b/c He wouldn't "toe the line" among other things and that is how they done on other people and most recently Trump. That is a fact.

If I were on the Left, I would have immediately rejected ALL Left beliefs and groups yet people STILL have not.

 

[Charlie24]

(Thank God I didn't use the NIV, eh?)

It's a known fact that the NIV has a feminist/progressive style interpretation.

But if you want to use the NIV and be called out on it's loose translation then go right ahead.

 

[MedicBravo]

It's a known fact that the NIV has a feminist/progressive style interpretation.

Religion is man's attempt to reach God.
Christianity is God's attempt to reach us.

 

[Bill Taylor]

I'm coming to trust those who don't claim the title Christian over those who claim the title.. those who don't claim don't where the mask of what they are they don't hide n try to deceive others about what they r.. I seem to connect with the homeless n addicts n the prostitute n pimps n drunkards they are more open n accepting of me they don't snub their nose at me because of how I dress I don't have fancy fancy clothes when they say they will b around they around we sit n talk God n they don't call me crazy and a bunch of other names like the Christians in fact I can't remember the last time a Christian invited to go to their home it's always a temple that took raises my suspicions.. I've seen so much n much id rather of not ive dealt with so many types of people now im noy saying all Christian are u trustworthy nor am i saying to trust trust the street peep im just saying street peep r more honest about what they r n who they r over the temple gatherers..

I was running n on the streets for many many yrs..

As for Trump lol if I could I'd love to just sit n talk to him I find him funny and a straight shooter he reminds me of my uncle who is now resting.. so many where afraid of him thought he was mean but he wasn't he just didn't sugar coat..

Trump is everything the world is trying to get rid of his masculinity n his authorize ways they r trying to make out boys feminine n trying to make the girls masculine..very few see what is going on but the Lord keeps His in the Loop one just gotta spend time with Him..

But what I wrote I was lead to n Everytime I try n register to vote I'm always turned down n I do really trust the Lord picks who goes to rule n He brings them down too if He decides to.. I truly believe that voting is a way to allow the people think they have some kind of power in this crazy world..

I am registered with the VA as being 100% disabled and I am 79 and my mate is 80. Formerly, I strove to make my way from Texas to Nashville, before I gave my life to the LORD. I had three wives walk out and have been married to Deeter since 11/16/91 and love the daylights out of her.

I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks with the Negros. My mom was hooker, so they did not want us to play with their kids. I am of the opinion that 90% of the people claiming the name of the Christ are Pew Whales and are not indwelt with Ruah/the Holy Spirit. Scripture teaches us that our Elohime/God never makes mistakes and does not contradict himself.

If you think me strange for using the Paleo Hebrew names for our God, I seek to show respect for Him, always. Wherever I went in the Army folks learned to pronounce my name out of respect. It is common to use Jesus, the Greek translation but I like Yashua and Yehovah better.

When I was a carpenter I worked with Excons mu8ch easier than with my brother. And street people are in the face with truth, just like cons.

 

[Bill Taylor]

It is sad that people can be for pulling a child limb from limb and claim to follow Yasuauh.

 

[Rhema]

It's a known fact that the NIV has a feminist/progressive style interpretation.

But if you want to use the NIV and be called out on it's loose translation then go right ahead.

You misunderstood. Please re-read my post. I did NOT use the NIV because I do not USE the NIV.
I've known for over 50 years that the NIV is as cultist a translation as the NWT as a matter of translation, not interpretation. They even add in words.
I typically post KJV here because people are comfortable with it. For my studies, I just read the Greek.

Rhema

 

[Charlie24]

You misunderstood. Please re-read my post. I did NOT use the NIV because I do not USE the NIV.
I've known for over 50 years that the NIV is as cultist a translation as the NWT as a matter of translation, not interpretation. They even add in words.
I typically post KJV here because people are comfortable with it. For my studies, I just read the Greek.

Rhema

I'm definitely one of those comfortable with the KJV.

 

[Twistie]

It is sad that people can be for pulling a child limb from limb and claim to follow Yasuauh.

Have ya seen that Cali bill trying to be passed... Very disturbing and very sad.. they want to h able to abort the day before the due date n I believe up until the baby is a month old they can have it killed .

 

[Charlie24]

Have ya seen that Cali bill trying to be passed... Very disturbing and very sad.. they want to h able to abort the day before the due date n I believe up until the baby is a month old they can have it killed .

It's sickening to know there are people in this world among us who hold that mindset.

We have enough disregard for life without this.

 

[Rhema]

I'm definitely one of those comfortable with the KJV.

That's only because you haven't read the original Greek.
2 Timothy 3:16 is the most evil translation I have ever encountered.

That said, not a single English version has ever accurately translated Ephesians 6:17.

Of course you might think it doesn't matter.

Rhema
(Sorry, straying a bit off OP.)

 

[Rhema]

It's sickening to know there are people in this world among us who hold that mindset.

We have enough disregard for life without this.

Just wondering if you'll step in to pay for it...
(adopt a kid? financially support a mom?)

 

[MedicBravo]

That's only because you haven't read the original Greek.
2 Timothy 3:16 is the most evil translation I have ever encountered.

That said, not a single English version has ever accurately translated Ephesians 6:17.

Of course you might think it doesn't matter.

Rhema
(Sorry, straying a bit off OP.)

No one needs to learn to read and speak Greek or Hebrew to understand the Bible.
There are a few sites that have both into English and the most accurate translation. It does NOT read as a book Bible.

"That said, not a single English version has ever accurately translated Ephesians 6:17." - By who's authority?