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I have no problem with discussing facts, and I am comfortable with robust debate. Using insulting and dehumanising language, though, puts up unnecessary barriers to good discussion.

I'm asking you kindly, politely and firmly to do better in the way you speak of others.
I'm not going to play their games.
My basis is God and His standards which DO line up with Conservative beliefs. The Left does not. Fact.

The Left is not kind or polite. IDK you personally and I don't assume anything so where you truly lie is your own distinction.
Man made words may define where I stand but God is my standard and that is going to offend most people and the Left. I will NEVER compromise for anyone.

Jesus started his ministry with "Follow me." not "tolerance of evil".
 
Youngster, we are instructed 27 times or more to live in the world responsibly but to be not a heathen.

1 John 2:15 ESV​

Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.​




John 15:18-19 ESV​

“If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.​




1 John 4:9-10 ESV​

In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.​




1 Peter 2:9 ESV​

But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.​




2 Timothy 4:16 ESV​

At my first defense no one came to stand by me, but all deserted me. May it not be charged against them!​




Romans 12:2 ESV / 6 helpful votes​

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.



1 Peter 4:12 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.



1 Corinthians 5:9-13 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”



John 17:1-26 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

When Jesus had spoken these words, he lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify your Son that the Son may glorify you, since you have given him authority over all flesh, to give eternal life to all whom you have given him. And this is eternal life, that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. ...



Isaiah 8:12 ESV / 4 helpful votes​

“Do not call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do not fear what they fear, nor be in dread.



1 Peter 3:13 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

Now who is there to harm you if you are zealous for what is good?



2 Timothy 2:1-26 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

You then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus, and what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also. Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No soldier gets entangled in civilian pursuits, since his aim is to please the one who enlisted him. An athlete is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules. ...



Colossians 1:19-22 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross. And you, who once were alienated and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds, he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and above reproach before him,



Philippians 3:10 ESV / 3 helpful votes​

That I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death,



Philippians 3:1-21 ESV​

Finally, my brothers, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things to you is no trouble to me and is safe for you. Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; ...​




Philippians 1:16 ESV​

The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel.​




Galatians 5:16 ESV​

But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.​




1 Corinthians 15:54-55 ESV When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.” “O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?”​




John 1:9 ESV​

The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world.​




Matthew 5:10 ESV​

“Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.​




Isaiah 8:13 ESV​

But the Lord of hosts, him you shall honor as holy. Let him be your fear, and let him be your dread.​




Isaiah 2:1-22 ESV​

The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It shall come to pass in the latter days that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established as the highest of the mountains, and shall be lifted up above the hills; and all the nations shall flow to it, and many peoples shall come, and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.” For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem. He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. O house of Jacob, come, let us walk in the light of the Lord. ...​




Psalm 119:105 ESV​

Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.​




Hebrews 11:1-40 ESV​

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. For by it the people of old received their commendation. By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible. By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks. By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God. ...​




1 Corinthians 14:33-36 ESV For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. Or was it from you that the word of God came? Or are you the only ones it has reached?​




Amos 2:1-16 ESV​

Thus says the Lord: “For three transgressions of Moab, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because he burned to lime the bones of the king of Edom. So I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the strongholds of Kerioth, and Moab shall die amid uproar, amid shouting and the sound of the trumpet; I will cut off the ruler from its midst, and will kill all its princes with him,” says the Lord. Thus says the Lord: “For three transgressions of Judah, and for four, I will not revoke the punishment, because they have rejected the law of the Lord, and have not kept his statutes, but their lies have led them astray, those after which their fathers walked. So I will send a fire upon Judah, and it shall devour the strongholds of Jerusalem.” ...​




Psalm 19:1-14 ESV​

To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy​


How should we ever love the lost and not vote for what is the very best? And we are to endeavor to be like Him. He did not hesitate to throw merchants out of the Temple the cebter of Worship and the basis of government.
How can I put my trust in anyone when I don't know them many talk a talk they don't even try to walk

Out of everything ya quoted doesn't tell me to be a part of the world system..

Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD...

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;. 6 in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.

And He changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth kings and setteth up kings. He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

:broken_heart:
 
My answer to you dear sister, is yes, and yes again.
Remembering that all authority is God given, and that no authority is not off Him, then in the Spirit, be moved to vote according to YH will.

If you perceive/believe that voting, for you means being part of the world, then don't do it. Just remember that it may not be that way for another.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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I'm truly trying to figure it out been waiting on an answer from YH.. I tried to even get registered for voting not like once but like 5 times n I always get that my information is not correct.. I know who I am I know where I live I know where I was born but can not get registered smh I never even been to a voting booth n would like to go n see what it's like but I'm always stopped ..

N what was written was what I was lead to idk I'm just not sure
:broken_heart:
 
I'm not going to play their games.
My basis is God and His standards which DO line up with Conservative beliefs. The Left does not. Fact.

The Left is not kind or polite. IDK you personally and I don't assume anything so where you truly lie is your own distinction.
Man made words may define where I stand but God is my standard and that is going to offend most people and the Left. I will NEVER compromise for anyone.

Jesus started his ministry with "Follow me." not "tolerance of evil".

Being uncompromising does not entail using insulting and dehumanising language.

I am on the left and I am kind and polite. I am asking you - as a brother in Christ - to do the same.
 
How can I put my trust in anyone when I don't know them many talk a talk they don't even try to walk

Out of everything ya quoted doesn't tell me to be a part of the world system..

Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD...

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;. 6 in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.

And He changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth kings and setteth up kings. He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

:broken_heart:
Yes, dealing with power is a messy imperfect business.

My approach to voting is to think of it as an indirect way to love my neighbour. I vote with my best judgement on who might alleviate poverty, support the wellbeing of children and bring about justice.

There's never a party or a politician I agree with 100%. But if Christians don't vote, then the big decisions in the nation are directed only by people who reject Jesus.
 
Being uncompromising does not entail using insulting and dehumanising language.

I am on the left and I am kind and polite. I am asking you - as a brother in Christ - to do the same.
You seem to hold your political position more than your position as a Christian with God.
Am I wrong?
Conservative I may fall under by man's definition but Republican I am NOT.
I've not called you out specifically by username nor done as the Left does.
Considering the assassination attempt by the Left, any sane person with half a brain should've abandoned that group immediately.

When a group's beliefs and actions do NOT line up with God, I will NEVER support it and them.
 

Regarding earthly "politics" and party affiliation and God.
This was at the top of my feed today. I'm watching it and I highly suggest you and others do the same.
 
How can I put my trust in anyone when I don't know them many talk a talk they don't even try to walk

Out of everything ya quoted doesn't tell me to be a part of the world system..

Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD...

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;. 6 in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight.

And He changeth the times and the seasons; He removeth kings and setteth up kings. He giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

:broken_heart:
You are right, we must avoid being of this world but it is presently impossible for us not to be in this world and in some manor to be involved. If we love our families, friends and, neighbors I cannot justify not voting for who I believe to be the better and more Christianj candidate is. Many ¿Christians? will not forgive Donald Trup of his transgressions in his younger life to vote for him. As I recall, Matthew 6:15 instructs us that if we forgive not we are not forgiven. I love my family, friends, and nation and I will vote a third time for the Christuan Child in the faith, Donald trump. I do not idolize him but he has taken our LORD as his leader and I trust Christians mire than Lost men.
 
You are right, we must avoid being of this world but it is presently impossible for us not to be in this world and in some manor to be involved. If we love our families, friends and, neighbors I cannot justify not voting for who I believe to be the better and more Christianj candidate is. Many ¿Christians? will not forgive Donald Trup of his transgressions in his younger life to vote for him. As I recall, Matthew 6:15 instructs us that if we forgive not we are not forgiven. I love my family, friends, and nation and I will vote a third time for the Christuan Child in the faith, Donald trump. I do not idolize him but he has taken our LORD as his leader and I trust Christians mire than Lost men.
I'm coming to trust those who don't claim the title Christian over those who claim the title.. those who don't claim don't where the mask of what they are they don't hide n try to deceive others about what they r.. I seem to connect with the homeless n addicts n the prostitute n pimps n drunkards they are more open n accepting of me they don't snub their nose at me because of how I dress I don't have fancy fancy clothes when they say they will b around they around we sit n talk God n they don't call me crazy and a bunch of other names like the Christians in fact I can't remember the last time a Christian invited to go to their home it's always a temple that took raises my suspicions.. I've seen so much n much id rather of not ive dealt with so many types of people now im noy saying all Christian are u trustworthy nor am i saying to trust trust the street peep im just saying street peep r more honest about what they r n who they r over the temple gatherers..

I was running n on the streets for many many yrs..

As for Trump lol if I could I'd love to just sit n talk to him I find him funny and a straight shooter he reminds me of my uncle who is now resting.. so many where afraid of him thought he was mean but he wasn't he just didn't sugar coat..

Trump is everything the world is trying to get rid of his masculinity n his authorize ways they r trying to make out boys feminine n trying to make the girls masculine..very few see what is going on but the Lord keeps His in the Loop one just gotta spend time with Him..

But what I wrote I was lead to n Everytime I try n register to vote I'm always turned down n I do really trust the Lord picks who goes to rule n He brings them down too if He decides to.. I truly believe that voting is a way to allow the people think they have some kind of power in this crazy world..

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You are right, we must avoid being of this world but it is presently impossible for us not to be in this world and in some manor to be involved. If we love our families, friends and, neighbors I cannot justify not voting for who I believe to be the better and more Christianj candidate is. Many ¿Christians? will not forgive Donald Trup of his transgressions in his younger life to vote for him. As I recall, Matthew 6:15 instructs us that if we forgive not we are not forgiven. I love my family, friends, and nation and I will vote a third time for the Christuan Child in the faith, Donald trump. I do not idolize him but he has taken our LORD as his leader and I trust Christians mire than Lost men.
The Amish are the closest to not being of this world than anyone regarding Faith.
Call me crazy, but IMO too many people vote for the person NOT what his plans and ideas for America are.
Voting for anyone b/c they are "female, black/insert non-White here, Alphabet pervert, Satanist/God hater, etc.) now how voting works.
I'm watching a video by Dr. John Barnett regarding politics and God and it's so simple.
a. America is not and cannot be a Christian country. Everyone would HAVE to be Christian.
b. It was created by and is what America is, is heavily influenced by God.

God has forgiven people far worse than Trump. Truth is, we only have two choices. There were more but those parties are long dead. America needs a total reorganization of the government; ALL of it.

Regean was a Republican and so good that only one state was blue when he became President.
IMO, that's when things started to get worse and a Leftoid tried to kill him.

Some people DO idolize Trump but no minority defines a majority. Ever.
 
The Amish are the closest to not being of this world than anyone regarding Faith.
Call me crazy, but IMO too many people vote for the person NOT what his plans and ideas for America are.
Voting for anyone b/c they are "female, black/insert non-White here, Alphabet pervert, Satanist/God hater, etc.) now how voting works.
I'm watching a video by Dr. John Barnett regarding politics and God and it's so simple.
a. America is not and cannot be a Christian country. Everyone would HAVE to be Christian.
b. It was created by and is what America is, is heavily influenced by God.

God has forgiven people far worse than Trump. Truth is, we only have two choices. There were more but those parties are long dead. America needs a total reorganization of the government; ALL of it.

Regean was a Republican and so good that only one state was blue when he became President.
IMO, that's when things started to get worse and a Leftoid tried to kill him.

Some people DO idolize Trump but no minority defines a majority. Ever.
Amen!
 
Being liberal is within the will of God. This is evident between the differences between the liberal North and conservative South during the early stages of America. The Puritans when coming over were very liberal minded toward religion, because they had fled a Catholic persecution in England. They believed in treating others how they wanted to be treated (Luke 6:31). When the Puritans started coming over they did not have to fight the Native Americans in war at all. 90% of the Native Americans in the Northern Boston colonies were killed by disease (History Ipswich, 2023).

The Southern Colonies of Chesapeake Bay and Jamestown were conservative. Jamestown was run by Catholics who had immigrated from England. They ran the show through slavery and indentured servitude in contrast to the free North. From the beginning the conservative South had problems that the North did not. The Chesapeake Bay colonies did not have the plague power of the Puritans and were at constant war with the Native Americans. This resulted in heavy casualties to the colonizers and stressful wars (Egloff).

The early differences of the conservatives and the liberals are there. Both were Christians: Protestants and Catholics. Both had pros and cons. The liberal protestants were focused on education and growth, while the conservative catholic based were focused on making money through tobacco, sugar and rice plantations and slavery. Another note is that in the South the ruling class was Catholic, but a lot of the lower class were Protestants.

Egloff, N. (n.d.). The tragedy of 1622: The Powhatan paramount chiefdom military offensive against English settlers in Virginia. Jamestown Settlement American Revolution Museum at Yorktown.
Historic Ipswich on the Massachusetts North Shore. (2023). The great dying 1616-1619, “By God’s visitation, a wonderful plague.”.
 
You seem to hold your political position more than your position as a Christian with God.
Am I wrong?
Conservative I may fall under by man's definition but Republican I am NOT.
I've not called you out specifically by username nor done as the Left does.
Considering the assassination attempt by the Left, any sane person with half a brain should've abandoned that group immediately.

When a group's beliefs and actions do NOT line up with God, I will NEVER support it and them.

I am a follower of Jesus first. Everything else is secondary.

Nothing else you have said here justifies using insulting language about people you disagree with.
 
Being liberal is within the will of God. This is evident between the differences between the liberal North and conservative South during the early stages of America. The Puritans when coming over were very liberal minded toward religion, because they had fled a Catholic persecution in England. They believed in treating others how they wanted to be treated (Luke 6:31). When the Puritans started coming over they did not have to fight the Native Americans in war at all. 90% of the Native Americans in the Northern Boston colonies were killed by disease (History Ipswich, 2023).

The Southern Colonies of Chesapeake Bay and Jamestown were conservative. Jamestown was run by Catholics who had immigrated from England. They ran the show through slavery and indentured servitude in contrast to the free North. From the beginning the conservative South had problems that the North did not. The Chesapeake Bay colonies did not have the plague power of the Puritans and were at constant war with the Native Americans. This resulted in heavy casualties to the colonizers and stressful wars (Egloff).

The early differences of the conservatives and the liberals are there. Both were Christians: Protestants and Catholics. Both had pros and cons. The liberal protestants were focused on education and growth, while the conservative catholic based were focused on making money through tobacco, sugar and rice plantations and slavery. Another note is that in the South the ruling class was Catholic, but a lot of the lower class were Protestants.

Egloff, N. (n.d.). The tragedy of 1622: The Powhatan paramount chiefdom military offensive against English settlers in Virginia. Jamestown Settlement American Revolution Museum at Yorktown.
Historic Ipswich on the Massachusetts North Shore. (2023). The great dying 1616-1619, “By God’s visitation, a wonderful plague.”.

I wonder if the liberals of that day ever contemplated a law that allows killing a baby up to the point of birth?
 
I wonder if the liberals of that day ever contemplated a law that allows killing a baby up to the point of birth?
The Puritans up until 1820 allowed abortion under common law up until the point of the 'quickening'. The quickening was when a mother could feel the first kicks of the baby at about 4-5 months. During the 1800s abortion rates increased and states started to make them illegal. Abortion practitioners had started to advertise abortions to poor and single women as a way to make the family smaller. Whether the church frowned on abortions prior to the 1800s did not matter much because birth rates were unusually high (Mackert, 1990).

Mackert, K. (1990, January, 16). To bear or not to bear: Abortion in Victorian America. Gender and Legal History in American Papers.
 
The Puritans up until 1820 allowed abortion under common law up until the point of the 'quickening'. The quickening was when a mother could feel the first kicks of the baby at about 4-5 months. During the 1800s abortion rates increased and states started to make them illegal. Abortion practitioners had started to advertise abortions to poor and single women as a way to make the family smaller. Whether the church frowned on abortions prior to the 1800s did not matter much because birth rates were unusually high (Mackert, 1990).

Mackert, K. (1990, January, 16). To bear or not to bear: Abortion in Victorian America. Gender and Legal History in American Papers.

Do you think that is acceptable by God who said in the Law of Moses, if one intentionally causes a woman to lose the child in her womb, that person is to be put to death? God made it a capitol crime to kill a child in the womb.
 
Do you think that is acceptable by God who said in the Law of Moses, if one intentionally causes a woman to lose the child in her womb, that person is to be put to death? God made it a capitol crime to kill a child in the womb.
Yes. If you read the law in Exodus 21:22-23 it says that the husband will lay down the punishment. In cases of abortion where the couple are in agreement then there is nobody to deliver punishment. Also, if the woman is unmarried then there is no punishment. It is also the husband's right to call the Trial by Jealousy in Numbers 5:11. The trial of jealousy is against a wife by her husband if he thinks she cheated on him. The priest administers the bitter water to the woman and a curse which causes a miscarriage. If the woman does not have a miscarriage then she is found innocent.
 
Yes. If you read the law in Exodus 21:22-23 it says that the husband will lay down the punishment. In cases of abortion where the couple are in agreement then there is nobody to deliver punishment. Also, if the woman is unmarried then there is no punishment. It is also the husband's right to call the Trial by Jealousy in Numbers 5:11. The trial of jealousy is against a wife by her husband if he thinks she cheated on him. The priest administers the bitter water to the woman and a curse which causes a miscarriage. If the woman does not have a miscarriage then she is found innocent.

And if the baby dies the judgement is life for life, the death penalty.
 
And if the baby dies the judgement is life for life, the death penalty.
Under Hebrew law it is up to the discretion of the husband. The whole section according to the New International Version for Exodus 21 is:

22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
As you can see the husband demands a fine. The other law in Numbers 5 is specifically about abortion and is ordered by the husband and administered by Levitical priests. It doesn't make sense to prosecute a husband under Hebrew law for giving an abortion, because it is his right. The law in Exodus 21 only applies to mischief from people outside the marriage.

This is an issue we have been experiencing recently since the overturning of Roe Vs. Wade. Married couples are needing abortions for health issues and having to travel out of state. Does it make sense that the mother will have to die and give a still birth when she could have an abortion and have 10 more children? I'm not sure what your moral alignments are, but they are not always making sense modernly. These married couples are not having abortions for fun, but because they want to have more children in the future. There is no condemnation under Hebrew law for the husband demanding an abortion, it is his right.
 
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