Are you scared of God?

[MrBear]

Will you say the same when you see purgatory

I can tell you right now that there are many many preachers who are in purgatory as we speak and they are thankful that it is there even though they never preached on it and never believed in it

I’m sorry brother can you find one verse in scripture that mentions purgatory?
I have yet to find that
SHALOM

 

[Bill]

My question would be, do you have any scriptural support for it?

Heb 9:27; And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

Purgatory is a part of that judgement.

Its where God's Grace comes in.

How is it possible for Sodom and Gomorrah to be judged less harshly for the sins they were committing? If not for God's Grace?

Christians preach God's Grace all the time, but rarely understand God's full intent. Even i don't know God's full intent.

Purgatory is to purify, to teach, to welcome into the family those who do not know Jesus. The Christian's have been given a great luxury, but fail ( these days ) in the expression of God's love. That is God's love for all. Christian's ( all but a few ) have fallen into Satan's trap, thinking " Only " they will be with God in Paradise "

 

[Bill]

I’m sorry brother can you find one verse in scripture that mentions purgatory?
I have yet to find that
SHALOM

Why not try using that gift of discernment you are so proud of Bro Bear.

Or is it that you dont want to verify what the Holy Spirit is showing you.

Nearly everyone here says they have the Gifts of the Holy Spirit. But you dont use them

 

[MrBear]

Edited
Ty brother
SHALOM❤

 

[Bill]

Edited
Ty brother
SHALOM❤

It is a word to describe it.

However, Jesus, in talking with the teachers of the law stated that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah would be judged less harshly .

It is important to note the Jesus was not talking about the past but the future . " would be " . So this is something that has yet to come.

I don't know about you but any separation from God would be hell. So if the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are judged less harshly, this indicates there is something more then just Heaven and Hell.

The Grace of God

 

[B-A-C]

I don't know about you but any separation from God would be hell.

God exists even in hell, even in the presence of the Lake of Fire.

Psa 139:8; If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Luke 16:22; "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'

The rich man didn't get a second chance. Besides this, if God wasn't here to hear him, how did Jesus know what the rich man said in Hades?

 

[MrBear]

It is a word to describe it.

However, Jesus, in talking with the teachers of the law stated that the people of Sodom and Gomorrah would be judged less harshly .

It is important to note the Jesus was not talking about the past but the future . " would be " . So this is something that has yet to come.

I don't know about you but any separation from God would be hell. So if the people of Sodom and Gomorrah are judged less harshly, this indicates there is something more then just Heaven and Hell.

The Grace of God

I understand I myself jumped the gun because the Catholics used to extort money from the peasants when they created the word purgatory to sell indulgences
Johann Tetzel would go town to town coining the phrase “When a penny in the coffer rings, / A soul from Purgatory springs.”
It disturbs me so when I think of how the Catholics abused and twisted Gods word
So forgive me brother, I meant no disrespect the spirit filled me to ask the question
But I respectfully listened to your own interpretation of the word
And I respect my elders
SHALOM

 

[Bill]

God exists even in hell, even in the presence of the Lake of Fire.

Psa 139:8; If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.

Rev 14:9; Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
Rev 14:10; he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Rev 14:11; "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Luke 16:22; "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23; "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and *saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luke 16:24; "And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue, for I am in agony in this flame.'

The rich man didn't get a second chance. Besides this, if God wasn't here to hear him, how did Jesus know what the rich man said in Hades?

God is present, yes. Without God, there is nothing.

Hell is " away from me, i never knew you "

 

[Bill]

I understand I myself jumped the gun because the Catholics used to extort money from the peasants when they created the word purgatory to sell indulgences
Johann Tetzel would go town to town coining the phrase “When a penny in the coffer rings, / A soul from Purgatory springs.”
It disturbs me so when I think of how the Catholics abused and twisted Gods word
So forgive me brother, I meant no disrespect the spirit filled me to ask the question
But I respectfully listened to your own interpretation of the word
And I respect my elders
SHALOM

When was the last time Catholics exhorted money for indulgences in purgatory.

Now we could all point fingers at the faults of all churches

Tammy , Jimmy Baker , and all the others claiming send your money .

But it was never about money

Did you never read in scripture, "where your treasure is, there your heart will be too"

The treasure for Heaven has nothing to do with money.

Preachers and Priests all miss the boat today. Putting thier faith in money, yet claiming all the while to put faith in God.

Faith can be hard, it seems, for those who forget true faith

 

[Christina2000]

I was browsing a forum I'm not yet a member of and found a very interesting discussion going on. I thought it would be a good topic to bring here.

Are you scared of God? Do you worship, believe, because you're afraid to go to Hell if you don't?

My answer is no to both questions. Add you own if you feel like it and we can see where this goes.
Sincere, respectful replies requested of Christian sisters and brothers here please. Thank you in advance.

Hi
A good question.
Yes, I am frightened of God and of hell. A healthy respect for both is surely a good thing.
By confessing all my fears in humility to God and placing myself in His hands, I feel safe. Now that my soul belongs to Christ I have His eternal protection from the devil and hell.

 

[Rhema]

Hi
A good question.
Yes, I am frightened of God and of hell. A healthy respect for both is surely a good thing.
By confessing all my fears in humility to God and placing myself in His hands, I feel safe. Now that my soul belongs to Christ I have His eternal protection from the devil and hell.

For your consideration:

Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

(1 John 4:15-18 KJV)​

Rhema

 

[th1bill]

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom. It is a wise man that understands the various facets of fear and remembers the fear of Paternal Correction and how Love works with that fear.

 

[Rhema]

Proverbs 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom.

Glad to see that you believe that teachings from the Dead Testament supplants teaching from the New Covenant. It doesn't make sense to me, but I guess it does to you.

Rhema

 

[Bug]

god is scared of me

 

[Rhema]

god is scared of me

Hi bug, statements like that completely shut down conversation.
I mean really, who wants to continue a dialogue after reading something like that?
Maybe that's your answer....

Rhema

 

[Bug]

Hi bug, statements like that completely shut down conversation.
I mean really, who wants to continue a dialogue after reading something like that?
Maybe that's your answer....

Rhema

he probably is though...

 

[Bug]

Hi bug, statements like that completely shut down conversation.
I mean really, who wants to continue a dialogue after reading something like that?
Maybe that's your answer....

Rhema

sorry

 

[Rhema]

he probably is though...

sorry

Truly, one should never be sorry about speaking the Truth. But one should make very sure that what one speaks is Truth. BUT, exactly how that Truth is expressed is very important to establish unity within the brethren.

Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.​

(Matthew 18:15-17 KJV)​

The problem is that people truly don't think. Their World View, their "Value System" is plagued by feelings and emotions, which, having never thought about it, they allow to masquerade as thought.

Rhema

 

[th1bill]

Glad to see that you believe that teachings from the Dead Testament supplants teaching from the New Covenant. It doesn't make sense to me, but I guess it does to you.

Rhema

Your false pride is eating you alive! You know nothing of the structure of my relationship with the Triune God, and yet, you presume, as the Fool will do, to nullify the content of the Renewed Covenant, and it's effects upon my life.

Just FYI; from the first, Single Condition Covenant, Contract, with Adam, not with his spouse, YHWH has grown the conditions of compliance, but save the Food Conditions, He has trashed nothing.

A man, or woman, can still earn their way into the presence of YHWH if they can and have obeyed the Ten Commandments throughout all of their lives. The trouble with that is there has been and is only one person that has lived and/or is living that is perfect and therefore capable of living the Law from birth until death, and He is the son of YHWH.

The Creator, not contained by the Time/Space Continuum He created to the benefit of the Crowning Creation, Man resides outside, as well as inside His Creation of Time and Space and without my knowledge of how, sees the Past, Present, and Future and thus knew, before He took the first step that the woman we know as Eve would cause Adam to fail to keep that contract with Him.

So it is that our Father in Heaven made sure we had a clause by which we could choose our condition and location in Eternity and sent Yashua in the form of a man to pay the debt that no human would ever be able to pay and thus open the path to Eternal Glory.

The simple consensus that registers my faith is that the scriptures were not given to us as books, chapters, verses and Testaments. As instruction and explanation were required, the LORD delivered input, more in the form of letters. These letters all are continuations and are, when studied correctly, one message of The Salvation of Man.

When man, arrogantly, divided what is not divisable, the life and Death of Yashua ha'Mashiah lost definition and man divided the message and, in the heads of the unstudied, nulified the greater portion of the Wisdom of YHWH.

And, FYI, I am saved because of and by the Grace Yashua paid for on that damnedable tree they nailed Him to, on trumped up charges. This old whiskey swilling, guitar playing, woman chasing sinner is made a new creation in the Father.

If you ever undertake to study the Whole Word you will find, with the prayerful guidance of Ruach that the entire book is without interruption and blesses your soul.

BTW, try controlling the only thing our LORD has left in your control, your countenance, and address folks like a Christian, and you'll be amazed at the love that will be shared with you. Percentage wise, there are likely the same amount of saved and lost folks in all Christian Church Assemblies. When I drove a Mixer, there were several Catholic Church attending Drivers that were indwelt with Ruach, the Holy Spirit.

This post is all FYI.

 

[Waggles]

god is scared of me

The Creator of the universe is not scared of you in any degree.
Rather the God of salvation is scared for you - fearful that you may not come to salvation by believing and living a false gospel.
Fear God and be a doer of the Word.