Are you scared of God?

[Br. Bear]

@th1bill

Greetings,

YHWH is the real name of our Heavenly Father

why not YHVH ? That is closer, is it not?

I could be wrong, i was once before.

Whose examples are we folowing and who says God's name is this or that, especially when we are using the mongrel english language [even if it does have pretty bits] ?

Understand this is a conversation question, not a personal dig at you. Most people go along with YHWH , so as you should be able to appreciate, i am not singling you out.

YHVH


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

I was browsing a forum I'm not yet a member of and found a very interesting discussion going on. I thought it would be a good topic to bring here.

Are you scared of God? Do you worship, believe, because you're afraid to go to Hell if you don't?

My answer is no to both questions. Add you own if you feel like it and we can see where this goes.
Sincere, respectful replies requested of Christian sisters and brothers here please. Thank you in advance.

let us try to get back to the OP

 

[Bill]

Well, then, uh... Gesundheit.

I'm sure you think you're something special with all the secret Hebrew code words, but ...

It merely smacks of pretentiousness.


QED


Mote in your own eye, dude. Mote in your own eye.

Rhema

The problem with trying to show reason and or logic with another that is so transfixed , you will never get beyond / past what has been ingrained. This is where God has to step in , to knock them off horses, so to speak , so they can become blind to see the truth. It is only then that thier eyes are opened

 

[Br. Bear]

The problem with trying to show reason and or logic with another that is so transfixed , you will never get beyond / past what has been ingrained. This is where God has to step in , to knock them off horses, so to speak , so they can become blind to see the truth. It is only then that thier eyes are opened

That goes for me, too, Bill... and for all who have an honest look in the mirror occasionally.

Please read my above three posts


Bless you Brother ....><>

 

[Bill]

That goes for me, too, Bill... and for all who have an honest look in the mirror occasionally.

Please read my above three posts


Bless you Brother ....><>

I am aware of that , i think it could go for all , that it is only through Jesus true change comes

I saw your post after i posted , thank you

 

[th1bill]

@th1bill

Greetings,



why not YHVH ? That is closer, is it not?

I could be wrong, i was once before.

Whose examples are we folowing and who says God's name is this or that, especially when we are using the mongrel english language [even if it does have pretty bits] ?

Understand this is a conversation question, not a personal dig at you. Most people go along with YHWH , so as you should be able to appreciate, i am not singling you out.

YHVH


Bless you ....><>

I have chosen the original spelling and enunciation , Paleo Hebrew, like Duetch has a symbol for the "W" but is pronounced with a hard, gluteral 'V" enunciation. It is easiest demonstrated with the name of Adolph's national car. the Volkswagen. With the name of this auto, the first four letters are enunciated the same in Duetch as they are in English. Then comes the second syli

The problem with trying to show reason and or logic with another that is so transfixed , you will never get beyond / past what has been ingrained. This is where God has to step in , to knock them off horses, so to speak , so they can become blind to see the truth. It is only then that thier eyes are opened

Bill, am I understanding you believe the Word of YHWH is not fixed when it was spoken?

I ask because i hold YHWH's Utterance as sacred and always true.

How can I hold to such a "Rock Solid Belief?"

My study, with Ruach haḾashiah leading, has taught me YHWH, being external to our Time/Space Continuum is the same today as He was 6,000 years ago as He created all of this.
The Word of Life
1 In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with Godwas truly God.
2 From the very beginning the Word was with God.
3 And with this Word, God created all things. Nothing was made without the Word. Everything that was created
4 received its life from him, and his life gave light to everyone.
5 The light keeps shining in the dark, and darkness has never put it out [CEV]

It is not difficult for any man to accept memory of the past because that quality found in YHWH was created in man that he would be able to remember YHWH's Covenant/Contract with man. The LIGHT shines, even in the future! Yashua, Jesus, if you prefer the Greek, in Heaven, seated next to the Father, knows everything we will do this evening, tomorrow and ten years from now becau8se He has already watched us do it!

I pray each of you, now understand why I try to follow my LORD so closely. This is not the conceit of I'm a better Christian than you are but, rather, is I pray, an example worthy of of Brother Pauls call to be more like him.

1 Corinthians 1
1From Paul, chosen by God to be an apostle of Christ Jesus, and from Sosthenes, who is also a follower.
2 To God's church in Corinth. Christ Jesus chose you to be his very own people, and you worship in his name, as we and all others do who call him Lord.
3My prayer is that God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ will be kind to you and will bless you with peace!
4I never stop thanking my God for treating you with undeserved grace by giving you Christ Jesus, 5who helps you speak and understand so well. 6Now you are certain that everything we told you about our Lord Christ Jesus is true. 7You are not missing out on any blessings, as you wait for him to return. 8And until the day Christ does return, he will keep you completely innocent. 9God can be trusted, and he chose you to be partners with his Son, our Lord Jesus Christ.
Taking Sides
10My dear friends, as a follower of our Lord Jesus Christ, I beg you to get along with each other. Don't take sides. Always try to agree in what you think. 11Several people from Chloe's family have already reported to me that you keep arguing with each other. 12 They have said that some of you claim to follow me, while others claim to follow Apollos or Peter or Christ.
13Has Christ been divided up? Was I nailed to a cross for you? Were you baptized in my name? 14 I thank God that I didn't baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius. 15Not one of you can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 I did baptize the family of Stephanas, but I don't remember if I baptized
anyone else. 17Christ did not send me to baptize. He sent me to tell the good news without using words that sound wise and would make the cross of Christ lose its power.
Christ Is God's Power and Wisdom
18The message about the cross doesn't make any sense to lost people. But for those of us who are being saved, it is God's power at work. 19 As God says in the Scriptures,

“I will destroy the wisdom
of all who claim
to be wise.
I will confuse those
who think they know
so much.”

20 What happened to those wise people? What happened to those experts in the Scriptures? What happened to the ones who think they have all the answers? Didn't God show that the wisdom of this world is foolish? 21 God was wise and decided not to let the people of this world use their wisdom to learn about him.
Instead, God chose to save only those who believe the foolish message we preach. 22Jews ask for miracles, and Greeks want something that sounds wise. 23But we preach that Christ was nailed to a cross. Most Jews have problems with this, and most Gentiles think it is foolish. 24Our message is God's power and wisdom for the Jews and the Greeks that he has chosen. 25Even when God is foolish, he is wiser than everyone else, and even when God is weak, he is stronger than everyone else.
26My dear friends, remember what you were when God chose you. The people of this world didn't think that many of you were wise. Only a few of you were in places of power, and not many of you came from important families. 27But God chose the foolish things of this world to put the wise to shame. He chose the weak things of this world to put the powerful to shame.
28What the world thinks is worthless, useless, and nothing at all is what God has used to destroy what the world considers important. 29God did all this to keep anyone from bragging to him. 30You are God's children. He sent Christ Jesus to save us and to make us wise, acceptable, and holy. 31 So if you want to brag, do what the Scriptures say and brag about the Lord.
Contemporary English Version, Second Edition (CEV®)

© 2006 American Bible Society. All rights reserved.

I have never been ashamed of being nor of having been a Tradesman without much of a formal education. I wore my certificates on my Tool Belt, a two pound Rig Ax and a two pound Straight Claw Hammer. I built homes, apartments and. custom structures, At night, I played one of my Guitars or studied the KJV, trying to understand what this God, foreign to me, was saying. And it was gibberish to me and while readable, the words, they formed sentences I could not comprehend no matter how much I studied.

We are, every last one of us, promised to know the Helper, Ruach ha'Qudesh, known to most English Speakers by the Greek-to-English-Translation as The Holy Spirit. Over the past 31, almost 32 years I have been accused of everything from having Graduated from some unknown seminary to being a Willful Follower of a Covenant with the Fallen Angel, Lucifer.

Following my LORD, I have not the time to worry what the willfully untrained chose to slander me with. The work never ceases and with building musical instruments for my grandchildren and two great-grandchildren, studying the Word and helping my friends, at almost 77 I seem to almost never practice any of my worship music. I, like Paul, Abram, the Disciples and some others, am busy seeking the best trail by seeking to teach others to come along on this journey into the presence of Yashua.

 

[Rhema]

It is easiest demonstrated with the name of Adolph's national car. the Volkswagen. With the name of this auto, the first four letters are enunciated the same in Duetch as they are in English.

NO THEY'RE NOT.

In German, the " V " is pronounced as an " F " sound in English - FOLK, with the same meaning as in English.

Rhema

So @Br. Bear what are we to do with the ignorant who are self-appointed experts spreading idiocy and misinformation?

 

[Brad Huber]

NO THEY'RE NOT.

In German, the " V " is pronounced as an " F " sound in English - FOLK, with the same meaning as in English.

Rhema

So @Br. Bear what are we to do with the ignorant who are self-appointed experts spreading idiocy and misinformation?

Perhaps show your references instead of calling someone ignorant, idiot, and purveyors of false truths.
Bless you.

 

[th1bill]

So if I disagree with you is that what you're saying if I disagree with you then I'm arguing with you because that's all it's sounds to me because I'm trying to point something out to you and every time I do you're telling me I'm arguing with you now if if you feel that disagreeing with you is arguing I suppose it is but disagreeing to me is not arguing

Disagreeing with my posssition is not arguing. On the other hand sentences with demeaning or agresive content do amount to seeking constructive conversation.

NO THEY'RE NOT.

In German, the " V " is pronounced as an " F " sound in English - FOLK, with the same meaning as in English.

Rhema

So @Br. Bear what are we to do with the ignorant who are self-appointed experts spreading idiocy and misinformation?

Still a bit on the aggressive side but score a point. Where I typed English, Paleo Hebrew belonged. Oh, and as I recall my German born grandpapa, that is one, regional, enunciation. Being a brat from the cast away daughter, I never learned the region but around the outskirts of Frankfurt and with the farmers of Hanau the v and the w were enunciated as the letter v.

But excuse this second generation German American for being so stupid you felt the need to cut my head off. And you and Bill wonder that I am offended.

 

[th1bill]

Perhaps show your references instead of calling someone ignorant, idiot, and purveyors of false truths.
Bless you.

Thank you Brad, perhaps your input will help to civilize discussion among, supposed, brothers.

 

[th1bill]

FYI: I am nearly 77 and I notice that I am prone to forgetting to type a word here and there, now a days. I hope this helps because as I reread after posting I do not find a needed edit function. I catch errors but I am unable to change the post for five minutes after making a mispost.

 

[Rhema]

Perhaps show your references instead of calling someone ignorant, idiot, and purveyors of false truths.
Bless you.

References - 83,121,363 Germans. (Plus a few thousand German teachers in the US, give or take, minus one opa.)

Oh, and as I recall my German born grandpapa, that is one, regional, enunciation.

And his education might be ??

V is pronounced / f / LINK

• in the name of the letter v /faʊ/;
• in the frequent prefix ver- and all words constructed with it, such as vergessen, Vertreibung etc.;
• in the following words and all their derivations: Vater (father); Veilchen, Veigerl (viola flower); Veitstanz (the neuropathy St Vitus Dance); Vers (verse); Vesper (snack, small meal, evening prayer service); Vest, Veste (in geographical names: fortress); Vettel (pejorative: old woman); Vetter (male cousin); Viech (pejorative: animal); Vieh (livestock); viel (much, many); vier (four); Vize (vice-, deputy); Viztum (historic government official; today humorously: sub-agent); Vlies (raw wool, fleece); Vogel (bird); Vogt (historic rural administrator, reeve); Volk (folk, nation); voll (full); von (of, from); vor (before, in front of);
• in the following given names: Eva, Veit, Veltin, Volbrecht and all those beginning with Volk-, such as Volker;
• at the beginning of German family and place names, apart from names of foreign descent and few exceptions (this often leads to mispronunciations among English-speakers, who falsely use /v/ in names like Vettel);
• at the beginning of Dutch family and place names; word-initial v is actually traditionally pronounced /v/ in Dutch, although /f/ is currently very common in the northern varieties, found in the Netherlands.

So why are you demanding I teach you German, or more pertinent, why are you defending others who teach misinformation about German, as if they know better? @th1bill could have just looked it up and admitted his error. Why is that a problem?

I think it incumbent upon everyone making assertions to double check their claims, especially when one postures him or herself as an expert in theology or the scriptures. Age is no excuse.

I am prone to forgetting to type a word here and there,

With all due respect @th1bill, that wasn't a "typo." Your claim was just wrong.

And you and Bill wonder that I am offended.

I'm not the one teaching misinformation. And you wonder why I am offended ??

There was a time when scholars were respected, now everybody thinks themselves to be experts whose opinions are to be held on par with all others.

Rhema

PS: If I ever need a house built... I'll give you a call.

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I didn't mean to start a riot, men.

Where to start?
No particular order:

Getting ze Deutsch out of ze vay, I think you'll find that the usual pronunciation of 'v' is with a more 'f' ring than 'v'.
I would suggest 'fv' or 'vf' but not generally a 'v'. In many or most parts of the world, different dialects do pronounce things differently and therefore there is at times an overlapping of 'sounds' that can be heard.
As with all language, it is the folks who speak it, who recognize and understand what is being said - by those who speak from 'their' region.

The western 'english' speakers have adulterated a lot of pronunciations and it is not usually until you hear true 'natives' speak, that you get to hear how it is spoken by them.

That leads us to another language which we can look at shortly.

Regarding the use of a V or a W for what is the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet [excuse the Greek], it has been through changes over time but it is not the Germanic tongue that decided nor gave us the more recent V sound.
You will often see it written as 'vav' but at the same time you will see it written as 'waw'. Now, and here is where it gets tricky to the average Englishman, the letters we read often dictate to us how they are pronounced.
For anyone slightly familiar with languages, and in this case the languages of Biblical times and places around abouts, the average Joe Blo is met with sounds and mouth/tongue/throat/esophagus/teeth/jaw/gums/nose/stomach manipulations that take a bit of getting used to and plenty of practice to get right.

Much like most languages, for example, French, we can see a word that, according to our way [learned] of pronunciation, 'should' sound like this or that but in reality, the real way to say things are something one has to learn because the eyes don't hear and the actual written word sounds nothing like the English language [raw form] writes it.

I confess that i am a 'vav' person but am still rather crude in my pronunciation, which is why i asked about why one writes YHWH instead of YHVH. Now, this leads us to consider something else above and beyond the silly [vain] disputing that man finds themselves in.

Most if not, near all folk, do not know how to pronounce either YHWH or YHVH but do we forget too readily that while we can discuss or debate about the how, the Who is overlooked... and all He has revealed to us, in and through His Son and by Whom we are blessed beyond imaginable comparison with the Holy Ghost. By the Love of God we can all speak/talk to each other in His more divine tongue, which is summarized as 'Love' [the fruitful variety]

So please keep the Grace of God in Jesus Christ His Son in mind when posting to one another and if any man think he is an expert of languages, let him consider Him Who, about Whose Name we declare.

He is perfecting us.... because we need perfecting.


Bless you ....><>


for those interested here is a lnk to a page that can help wth a few slants on the Name we ought not to rub in the dirt.
[ i am not presenting this link as an authority nor the deciding info page - merely for those interested in reading some stuff]

The Hebrew Name for God - YHVH

Hebrew Names of God, YHVH, YHWH, Jehovah, Adonai, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh, theomorphic.

hebrew4christians.com

 

[Rhema]

I confess that i am a 'vav' person but am still rather crude in my pronunciation, which is why i asked about why one writes YHWH instead of YHVH.

(Anybody ask a Jew ??)
.

Just wondering...

Much like most languages, for example, French,

The joke is that with French, you pronounce the vowel that isn't written.

I provide for your edification -

Great Vowel Shift - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Given that the pronunciation of English had radically changed only 600 years or so ago, who can truly tell how paleo-carving-scribbles were pronounced?

Most if not, near all folk, do not know how to pronounce either YHWH or YHVH

I have my own reasons for believing that YHxH is pronounced "Yahoo" (YaH-WHo). Or "Yeehaw" in the South (US).

Gesundheit,
Rhema

 

[Br. Bear]

Greetings,

I have my own reasons for believing that YHxH is pronounced "Yahoo" (YaH-WHo)

’ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh

certainly for the widespread use of English [not southern] fitting might it be to suggest Yah Who or Jah Who... for Who is like unto our LORD?

אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה


Bless you ....><>

 

[Br. Bear]

I provide for your edification -

Great Vowel Shift - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

thank you ....><>

 

[Yennee]

I have to cash in on this.

I have seen a difference in fearing YAH our Father, as one would the rightful punishment of a mortal father for misdeeds, from a persistent fear of being forsaken and condemned and as though our God is out to destroy us.

My Brother and I grew up in an abusive houshold, and we were often punished contrary to the Law of YAH. As such, we have struggled at times and even consistently with the *dread* of YAH as a destroying and cruel God without mercy that will slay and damn us for any and every slight, no matter how small, or even if only perceived. Our parents *literally* hunted us down for perceived slights and violently assaulted us when we had done no wrong and may have even done right.

This is *not* the manner of fear to have for ABBA, for he is not an assailent looking to condemn you, but a Father looking to instruct, correct, and save. The type of fear to have of the Lord is humble, obedient, and obayscent, not a searing terror that He is your enemy out to destroy you. It is a form of honoring. We fear the disapproval, disappointment, and *we know we dome wrong and deserve it* reprimand for our sins. *THIS* is the fear we ought to have, and not to treat our *Father* as tormentor, even if our mortao parent/s were.

 

[Bill]

I have to cash in on this.

I have seen a difference in fearing YAH our Father, as one would the rightful punishment of a mortal father for misdeeds, from a persistent fear of being forsaken and condemned and as though our God is out to destroy us.

My Brother and I grew up in an abusive houshold, and we were often punished contrary to the Law of YAH. As such, we have struggled at times and even consistently with the *dread* of YAH as a destroying and cruel God without mercy that will slay and damn us for any and every slight, no matter how small, or even if only perceived. Our parents *literally* hunted us down for perceived slights and violently assaulted us when we had done no wrong and may have even done right.

This is *not* the manner of fear to have for ABBA, for he is not an assailent looking to condemn you, but a Father looking to instruct, correct, and save. The type of fear to have of the Lord is humble, obedient, and obayscent, not a searing terror that He is your enemy out to destroy you. It is a form of honoring. We fear the disapproval, disappointment, and *we know we dome wrong and deserve it* reprimand for our sins. *THIS* is the fear we ought to have, and not to treat our *Father* as tormentor, even if our mortao parent/s were.

Right on !!!

 

[TheWordIsOne]

Philippians 2:9-13 (NKJV) Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

 

[Rad]

I think we should be very scared of God, scared because most of us reading this will be, in World terms, the Rich and Powerful whom Christ condemned on so many occasions, we will also be Citizens of Countries who have inflicted Bloodshed, terror and Destruction on the World to maintain our position of Wealth and Comfort, and we will also probably be those, who through their rich and profligate lifestyles and their abuse, exploitation and indifference have brought Gods creation to the state its in now, where disease, Famine, War and Environmental Meltdown threaten to engulf us all.
Oh yes, i believe we should be very, very scared. for as it says in Luke 1:50-53
50 His mercy extends to those who fear him,
from generation to generation.
51 He has performed mighty deeds with his arm;
he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
52 He has brought down rulers from their thrones
but has lifted up the humble.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things
but has sent the rich away empty.
We need to be always aware of how God must view our lives, for we are the rich, we are the rulers whose decisions affect the lives of millions of the poorest, either by what we consume, the politicians we elect, the situations we ignore, and as such i believe we should have no confidence in our own salvation but be as the Publican when he and the Pharisee went to pray
Luke Chapter 18
9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
I believe, as Jesus said, that on the Day of Judgement, many who believe themselves to be first will indeed be last, and that only an attitude of "Justice, Mercy and Humility" will offer us any hope of Salvation.