Can a Christian person have demons?

[God's Truth]

Not trying to be argumentative, but if I see a guy looking at a good-looking woman (or vice versa), I can pretty much know what they are thinking about...

Yeah right. lol
Kind of like a pastor telling a church full of people there is someone there with an addiction problem. The chances of someone relating to that is strong.

The spiritual gift of the word of knowledge would be what you might be referring to here, and it is a legitimate gift of the Spirit given to certain people who are saved and walking with God (as all of the spiritual giftings are),

Actually though, the charismatic people I have talked to call it prophecy.
As for myself I think the gift of knowledge might be one with knowledge about the scriptures.

however, this is very different from demonic sources...of course. One who claims to be telepathic is not a person receiving his information from the Spirit of God.

All I know is that I don't want to go to a church with people telling me what I am thinking about or what they say is going to happen to me good or bad, because the people who do that in those churches have beliefs I think are wrong and I'm just not going there period.

Not just Pentecostals...but anyone who knows the facts on the subject. A "ghost" is supposed to be the spirit of a dead human being that for whatever reason cannot "cross over." The Bible tells us that when a human being dies, he either goes to hell or to heaven immediately - no human spirits "linger" on earth because that is not how God has arranged things to be. A "ghost" is a manifestation of a demon, because that is all that it could be, and they do that masquerading for the purpose of drawing people into deception to keep them away from God...just like UFO's.

I know of people that have out of body experience and their spirit was seen, so no, it is false teaching by those who say ghosts/spirits seen are demons.
Apostle Paul even spoke of an out of body experience with his spirit, and he is no demon.

 

[God's Truth]

Do you really think you should label others as narcissistic?
If the signs are there it's a safe bet....and why should I not label you a narcissist? You labeled me as mentally ill and said I should not take part in this group....That's hypocricy You show no signs of even being a Christian other than your bragging

I've been called worse. Knock yourself out then.

 

[God's Truth]

In addition to that, not everyone has the same mental abilities either.

There was a rather lengthy thread on the eevblog forum about dreams. One engineer said he has total recall in his dreams of everything he has ever read in his life, and he gets as much work done while sleeping as he does awake.

One woman's testimony at a conference for pre birth experiences started her talk with a warning: she got really good at getting out of her body in the spiritual realm at age 4 to 5. And then a male voice speaking with authority told her "get back in your body and never do that again"

Why one person can do that and others don't, and why God doesn't give everyone that strong of a warning...only God knows.

Interesting stuff.
The good part though is that being saved and having wisdom from God about Him is given to people who are not scholars, and the wise of this world, etc, they just have to be as little children obedient to Him.

 

[joestue]

I know of people that have out of body experience and their spirit was seen, so no, it is false teaching by those who say ghosts/spirits seen are demons.

There is testimony of people reasoning with ghosts and telling them they need to leave the earth, and successfully ridding places of them.

It's weird but I suspend judgement on the matter. One of the former tenants in my appt building overdosed and died, my wife and I both felt something in the building before we knew that information, but I think it's gone now.

3 days after my ex remote viewed me and spoke to me saying I need to better organize my stuff. (I saw her in the spiritual realm). something influenced me to cross paths with her in real life and she appeared.. substantially astonished, like I had caught her or something. I was like.. nope I'm out of here, went home and took a nap for 2 hours.

 

[God's Truth]

There is testimony of people reasoning with ghosts and telling them they need to leave the earth, and successfully ridding places of them.

There are people who have left their body while they were sleeping and traveled to places and were seen.

I heard of this one woman who would go to sleep at night and sometimes dream she was in the house she grew up in, and one day she decided to visit the house and knocked at the door to tell the people she grew up there and if she could come in and see the house again, and when they saw her they said you are the ghost!

If it were not possible at all or if it were just evil to do then Paul would not ever have suggested he did it.

2 Corinthians 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth.


The Pharisees acknowledge that there are angels and spirits. If there is no such thing as spirits living outside of our bodies, then how is it that the Pharisees believe it and were not rebuked for believing it? From the scripture, we get that the Pharisees are commended for the belief in angels and spirits. They believed that it was possible that, after Jesus died, he spoke to Paul.


Acts 23:8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all.)
9 And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees' part arose, and strove, saying, We find no evil in this man: but if a spirit or an angel hath spoken to him, let us not fight against God.

It's weird but I suspend judgement on the matter. One of the former tenants in my appt building overdosed and died, my wife and I both felt something in the building before we knew that information, but I think it's gone now.

3 days after my ex remote viewed me and spoke to me saying I need to better organize my stuff. (I saw her in the spiritual realm). something influenced me to cross paths with her in real life and she appeared.. substantially astonished, like I had caught her or something. I was like.. nope I'm out of here, went home and took a nap for 2 hours.

Oh wow, can you explain that more to me? What do you mean "remote viewed you"? How did you see her, was it in a dream or while you were awake? Did you ever confirm with her that you saw her?

 

[joestue]

So that experience was on my birthday in 2019 while I was in my shed at around 3pm. And i saw her behind me in my minds eye and she said to me ... You need to better organize your stuff. The experience was basically no different as when a spirit in the form of a person wearing a robe walked into my friends appt in 2012 and spoke to her and she immediately said to me God is saying something to me. I laughed as I thought what was said was obviously false. (But in that case I did not hear what the spirit said)

Now in both these experiences the form of the person was like a black and white chalk board outline of a person, but with enough information to recognize the person's face.

So anyhow in 2019 I was like.. ok, I need to admit I am officially insane. Well 3 days later I was influenced to go to a certain store. I sensed something sending me there (I had forgotten what I needed at another store I usually go to)

I took 2 steps into the store and heard "... Is in the store" in my mind I laughed and said yeah I've heard this before.

Well sure enough she was. And looked shocked that I had found her. She walked around in a certain way to distance herself from her friend, so that we could have spoken privately if I had had the guts to do so.


Every other time we crossed paths prior, she would quickly turn and walk away.

 

[God's Truth]

So that experience was on my birthday in 2019 while I was in my shed at around 3pm. And i saw her behind me in my minds eye and she said to me ... You need to better organize your stuff. The experience was basically no different as when a spirit in the form of a person wearing a robe walked into my friends appt in 2012 and spoke to her and she immediately said to me God is saying something to me. I laughed as I thought what was said was obviously false. (But in that case I did not hear what the spirit said)

Now in both these experiences the form of the person was like a black and white chalk board outline of a person, but with enough information to recognize the person's face.

So anyhow in 2019 I was like.. ok, I need to admit I am officially insane. Well 3 days later I was influenced to go to a certain store. I sensed something sending me there (I had forgotten what I needed at another store I usually go to)

I took 2 steps into the store and heard "... Is in the store" in my mind I laughed and said yeah I've heard this before.

Well sure enough she was. And looked shocked that I had found her. She walked around in a certain way to distance herself from her friend, so that we could have spoken privately if I had had the guts to do so.


Every other time we crossed paths prior, she would quickly turn and walk away.

Hmmm, she is still alive though, right? She is your ex you said? You have never spoken to her in person about any of this? Is there a chance that you just love her and miss her and think you are hearing from her? I do believe though that people can travel in their spirit and talk to others, but it sounds like she is just in your thoughts? It sounds more like some kind of telepathic stuff and not spirit travel. It would be awesome if she confirmed speaking to you and telling you what she said. Did she used to do this stuff to others when you two were together or is it just you she is visiting?

 

[joestue]

So that experience was very different than the telepathy I experienced in 2012 with her. None of which was confirmed. But I think some of it was accurate because I can still remember it clearly. Where as the stuff critters say I usually forget it unless it's really funny.

For example I heard once "sudo apt_get install (her name)" and I just started laughing...

When the time is right I may go talk to her mentor.. the woman who allegedly rescued her out of an abusive household. I'm concerned this woman is my half sister....



I did message her in 2020 and told her I am on the osdd spectrum and I would like to forgive her for whatever happened... I was showing in a dream that she read it but she is afraid to reply.

Anyhow a lot of my experiences are compatible with the DSM. For example, I felt pressured to go look for a body in a swamp for 2 years from 2014 to 16. I ended up telling God I have no jurisdiction and it stopped. In 2021 I ended up recovering a memory of her telling me that there was a body buried in that field.

Some of the telepathy was memories of old conversations we had in childhood.

So anyhow I didn't talk to a friend of mine about these matters for 6 years because I somehow knew that they knew each other, I finally did after she blessed me in a particular manner which obligated me to bring it up and... Turns out she had been inspired to go pray for my ex.. within a couple weeks after I met her!

 

[God's Truth]

So that experience was very different than the telepathy I experienced in 2012 with her. None of which was confirmed. But I think some of it was accurate because I can still remember it clearly. Where as the stuff critters say I usually forget it unless it's really funny.

For example I heard once "sudo apt_get install (her name)" and I just started laughing...

When the time is right I may go talk to her mentor.. the woman who allegedly rescued her out of an abusive household. I'm concerned this woman is my half sister....



I did message her in 2020 and told her I am on the osdd spectrum and I would like to forgive her for whatever happened... I was showing in a dream that she read it but she is afraid to reply.

Anyhow a lot of my experiences are compatible with the DSM. For example, I felt pressured to go look for a body in a swamp for 2 years from 2014 to 16. I ended up telling God I have no jurisdiction and it stopped. In 2021 I ended up recovering a memory of her telling me that there was a body buried in that field.

Some of the telepathy was memories of old conversations we had in childhood.

So anyhow I didn't talk to a friend of mine about these matters for 6 years because I somehow knew that they knew each other, I finally did after she blessed me in a particular manner which obligated me to bring it up and... Turns out she had been inspired to go pray for my ex.. within a couple weeks after I met her!

Just have to ask...
Do you believe in Jesus and follow what he says to do as written in the scriptures what we are told to do to be saved?
Jesus says we have to be like little children ready to do what their parent, the Father, says to do.
We have to humble ourselves.
We are to repent of our sins and die to the sins of the world, crucify ourselves with Christ to sin.
Did you call on him to save you, to live in your heart?
Do you live to please him by obeying him?

If you did all that and belong to Jesus you can ask him to take the DSM and osdd away, did you do that?
I just want to say that I never heard of DSM and osdd before today, but I do know of someone who was OCD and that person asked Jesus to take it away and Jesus did immediately and supernaturally.
I know some things though might take the help of doctors and medication.
I hope the best for you and please excuse me if I'm not completely understanding you.

 

[joestue]

The reason I'm not healed of OSDD (its like DID but the different parts of the mind know each other and they know they are part of the same mind, where as a person with DID may wake up one day and decide to live in a different city and get a new job, then wake up again and not know where they are. -i've never done anything like that)

Is because.. I'm not innocent in these matters. Secondly, I haven't completely gotten rid of the anger yet. had i known in 2012 what i know now.. i would be in prison. Secondly, the parts of the mind that are not original but rather are fabrications of the mind have to die. this includes me.. the one speaking. but, the only place i can go, is back into the part of my mind which is original. the part spoken of in this prophecy, the child hiding in a bomb shelter: a certain prophecy - Pastebin.com -

in accordance with that word, it was 5 months later I had gotten rid of almost all the depression and the generational curse of powerlessness of which I was affected by since before birth (however, that curse of powerless may or may not be what the prophet refers to as a spirit of isolation). However, the "bomb shelter" that he spoke of isn't a bomb shelter. its a prison. and i don't know yet what its made out of or why it exists for sure but it has something to do with that woman. she may have had me swear an oath that we would not talk about whatever we did together, but i don't know.. that's what i feel happened but don't have a direct memory of (such gut feelings have often turned out to be accurate)....

So anyhow, my primary problem is apathy, the emotions of that wounded child in my consciousness.. it does not want to participate in life. it, as the alleged prophet speaks of in that prophecy.. "does not want anyone near you" -this includes God.

chemically it might help me to take an anti anxiety med or an anti depressant, but i'm not sure it would be a good thing. if i was more hyper i would probably have made a lot more mistakes.

 

[God's Truth]

The reason I'm not healed of OSDD (its like DID but the different parts of the mind know each other and they know they are part of the same mind, where as a person with DID may wake up one day and decide to live in a different city and get a new job, then wake up again and not know where they are. -i've never done anything like that)

Is because.. I'm not innocent in these matters. Secondly, I haven't completely gotten rid of the anger yet. had i known in 2012 what i know now.. i would be in prison. Secondly, the parts of the mind that are not original but rather are fabrications of the mind have to die. this includes me.. the one speaking. but, the only place i can go, is back into the part of my mind which is original. the part spoken of in this prophecy, the child hiding in a bomb shelter: a certain prophecy - Pastebin.com -

in accordance with that word, it was 5 months later I had gotten rid of almost all the depression and the generational curse of powerlessness of which I was affected by since before birth (however, that curse of powerless may or may not be what the prophet refers to as a spirit of isolation). However, the "bomb shelter" that he spoke of isn't a bomb shelter. its a prison. and i don't know yet what its made out of or why it exists for sure but it has something to do with that woman. she may have had me swear an oath that we would not talk about whatever we did together, but i don't know.. that's what i feel happened but don't have a direct memory of (such gut feelings have often turned out to be accurate)....

So anyhow, my primary problem is apathy, the emotions of that wounded child in my consciousness.. it does not want to participate in life. it, as the alleged prophet speaks of in that prophecy.. "does not want anyone near you" -this includes God.

chemically it might help me to take an anti anxiety med or an anti depressant, but i'm not sure it would be a good thing. if i was more hyper i would probably have made a lot more mistakes.

I know miraculous things can happen for you if you give your life to Jesus. Jesus is the Way and he tells us exactly what to do. He starts out saying to repent, and that we have to forgive others who sinned against us. We have to actually do what he says though.
I hope the best for you.

 

[joestue]

I believe I have forgiven her but I still want closure and I have to give that up as well.

 

[God's Truth]

I believe I have forgiven her but I still want closure and I have to give that up as well.

It really is about Jesus and you.
It is not about you finding everyone you sinned against and asking them to forgive you.
You have to in your heart and mind ask Jesus to forgive you for all your sins.
You really need to know what your sins are and were and think about it for a while if you have to.
Admit your sins to Jesus and ask to be forgiven.

In your heart and mind forgive her and everyone else who has ever done you wrong.
It is not about you finding each person and telling them you forgive them. It is about you telling Jesus you forgive them. You have to really do it though in your mind and heart. Think about all the sins you did and ask Jesus to forgive you. Think too about all the things anyone and everyone did against you and forgive them in your heart.
It is also good to say it aloud to Jesus because once you say something with your mouth it makes it more of a done thing and not just a thought. Either way though do it and mean it.

 

[Shaolin]

I know of people that have out of body experience and their spirit was seen, so no, it is false teaching by those who say ghosts/spirits seen are demons.

How reliable are these people? They could be lying. Like I said above, Scripture tells us that when a human being dies, their spirits either go to hell, or go to heaven, whichever they have done with Christ (saved or not). No human spirit remains upon the earth after death...therefore, ANY spirit that is seen or experienced here on earth is either an angel, or demon...and again, a "ghost" is supposed to be the spirit of a dead human being. Again, not trying to be argumentative.

Apostle Paul even spoke of an out of body experience with his spirit, and he is no demon.

An out of body experience is not the same as being a "ghost"...I do believe people have died, went to heaven (and one I heard of that went to hell) and then God brought them back into their bodies for His purposes - but again, an out of body experience is not being a "ghost" by definition.

Blessings!

..

 

[Garee]

Yeah right. lol
Kind of like a pastor telling a church full of people there is someone there with an addiction problem. The chances of someone relating to that is strong.

Actually though, the charismatic people I have talked to call it prophecy.
As for myself I think the gift of knowledge might be one with knowledge about the scriptures.

All I know is that I don't want to go to a church with people telling me what I am thinking about or what they say is going to happen to me good or bad, because the people who do that in those churches have beliefs I think are wrong and I'm just not going there period.

I know of people that have out of body experience and their spirit was seen, so no, it is false teaching by those who say ghosts/spirits seen are demons.
Apostle Paul even spoke of an out of body experience with his spirit, and he is no demon.

No such thing as a "out of the body experience" There are evil spirits that bring lies in the human psych . Usually in a dire or weakened situation . Like Jesus shown working with the Father (Mathew 4) at the beginning of his earthy ministry .Being sent out into the wilderness as the scapegoat. Not eating in forty days then the father of lies brings in his lies showing Jesus all the kingdoms of this world and all the glory of them without moving one inch.

Three time the father gave Jesus powerful words to rebuke the the father of lies ..it is writen then again and again as it is written. Exclusively sola scriptura

The bible book of prophecy is the storeroom of faith it is sealed with seven seals till the end of time .

Out of body. . out of ones own mind or imagination .Not of our heavenly Father as it is written .

 

[joestue]

People don't have spiritual discernment by default. Keep that in mind and stay humble. So they are either led astray by lies, or they close their mind to whatever they can't find in their Bible, and in my experience, some of them kick the mentally ill out of their churches too, because they refuse to pray for them and instead blame them for their own illnesses, saying they must have some unconfessed sin or something.

In my case my dad thought the USMC would cure my skitzophrenia.. but he waited 15 years to tell my brother such gossip.

His mother hasn't spoken to me since I emailed her in 2012 to ask about a generational curse on her family (It didn't affect me)

Such reactions are typical. People are afraid of what they don't understand but they blindly trust a book their parents told them is 120% inspired. Not that I'm questioning the Bible. But you cannot understand it by human discernment.


10 years ago a verse came to mind that utterly destroys most of the 20th century dispensation teachings.

Now is the judgement.

 

[God's Truth]

How reliable are these people? They could be lying. Like I said above, Scripture tells us that when a human being dies, their spirits either go to hell, or go to heaven, whichever they have done with Christ (saved or not). No human spirit remains upon the earth after death...therefore, ANY spirit that is seen or experienced here on earth is either an angel, or demon...and again, a "ghost" is supposed to be the spirit of a dead human being. Again, not trying to be argumentative.



An out of body experience is not the same as being a "ghost"...I do believe people have died, went to heaven (and one I heard of that went to hell) and then God brought them back into their bodies for His purposes - but again, an out of body experience is not being a "ghost" by definition.

Blessings!

..

The Bible doesn't say that though that a ghost is a angel or a demon.
An out of body experience is with the spirit of the person.
I gave scriptures to prove it.
The pharisees didn't think Jesus was an angel or a demon they knew he was a man.

 

[God's Truth]

No such thing as a "out of the body experience"

You are just going against Paul. Don't know how you can feel comfortable going against the Apostle Paul.

There are evil spirits that bring lies in the human psych . Usually in a dire or weakened situation . Like Jesus shown working with the Father (Mathew 4) at the beginning of his earthy ministry .Being sent out into the wilderness as the scapegoat. Not eating in forty days then the father of lies brings in his lies showing Jesus all the kingdoms of this world and all the glory of them without moving one inch.

You aren't making sense to me.

Three time the father gave Jesus powerful words to rebuke the the father of lies ..it is writen then again and again as it is written. Exclusively sola scriptura

The bible book of prophecy is the storeroom of faith it is sealed with seven seals till the end of time .

Out of body. . out of ones own mind or imagination .Not of our heavenly Father as it is written .

The Bible doesn't say what you are saying.

 

[God's Truth]

People don't have spiritual discernment by default. Keep that in mind and stay humble. So they are either led astray by lies, or they close their mind to whatever they can't find in their Bible, and in my experience, some of them kick the mentally ill out of their churches too, because they refuse to pray for them and instead blame them for their own illnesses, saying they must have some unconfessed sin or something.

In my case my dad thought the USMC would cure my skitzophrenia.. but he waited 15 years to tell my brother such gossip.

His mother hasn't spoken to me since I emailed her in 2012 to ask about a generational curse on her family (It didn't affect me)

Such reactions are typical. People are afraid of what they don't understand but they blindly trust a book their parents told them is 120% inspired. Not that I'm questioning the Bible. But you cannot understand it by human discernment.


10 years ago a verse came to mind that utterly destroys most of the 20th century dispensation teachings.

Now is the judgement.

It sounds like you don't have faith that God can make sure His words are preserved for us in the Bible.

I was just trying to help you.

It takes faith and obedience.

I like what Kenneth Copeland said one time when he said if you keep doubting just say get away Satan in Jesus' name.
You can say that a hundred times a day if you have to, but it does get easier.

 

[joestue]

I wasn't speaking against you, I can understand your perspective and mostly agree with it.