Can i not be Christian and Saved?
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But only if they are actually "in" Christ Jesus.
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Well ya... and the sad part is most don't even know who they r in Him all's one gotta do is ask and seek...
Many limit themselves it's what the world has taught us to do...
I tell my son oh how I love him so 34 he just turnt at one time I had lost him for a long long time n YH brought him back but anywho I tell my son.. Son you gotta remember ya gotta shake of all the world has taught you n put on you cause it'll get real heavy if you allow it.. you gotta shake it off and take time to refocus on whom u truly are..
I told him to do it on a daily basis n when he does he ponders with The Word
I love the conversation we have about the Word.. YH has been very kind n merciful to me He has Heard my cries and answered many of them..
Twistie
I close my eyes to all the worlds things my Eyes are fixed on YH.. He teaches n He reveals n imma stick with Him
I stand on what I have said..
Only One religion I follow and that's of My Father
Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
I follow the Word n the Word Alone I have no title no denomination...
I simply am just a follower of the Messiah...
Twistie
Christian the name the Father called his bride the church in Acts . Meaning "residents of the city of Christ prepared for the bride" .
You can close your eyes and say you follow another kind of Messiah adding to the meaning,making the word Christian derogatory . . . . but it as it iis written will not go away.
A person is a Christian or . . . they are not led by Christ's mutual Spirit of faith ,as it is writen . Three times in a row the unseen Father in Matthew 4 the beginning of the ministry of two. The father gave words to His prophet jesus the Son man to rebuke the god of this world . it is written and again and again it is written . words have enanings. change the meaning change the one author and prefexct er of our new born agin faith
2 Corinthians 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
If any man has not that one exclusive spirit of faith as it is written then they simply are not Christians the bride of Christ the church.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
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Not The Father but man.. I do not try n force u to claim a Title u do that willingly n yet those who claim a title want to force another to take it..
I don't do titles I follow the Word n the Word alone..
Hopefully u will agree to disagree so we can move on not b stuck weather or not I need a title to b saved...
I have Faith in YH not man
Twistie
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Word games!! That's what "Theology" is made up of. BUT IN THE COMMON TERMINOLOGY, a person who is BORN AGAIN / SAVED is a "Christian". Simple as that. what he "Calls himself" doesn't mean SPIT.
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To be a child of God, is someone that loves thier Father. And loves thier neighbor as themselves.
"Love God with all your heart."
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
If a person claims to be a Christian, and does not love God. That person is not a Christian. And if a person claims to Love God, and does not love his neighbor as themselves. That person has false love
If a person does not call themself a Christian, and loves God and thier neighbors, that person is a true Christian in the eyes of God.
If a person does not know God, yet Loves his neighbor and does good for others. That person is a true Christian in the eyes of God.
Being a true Christian is something that comes from the heart.
You say, you must confess with thier mouth. If you have ears then listen, for the true Christian professes his Love for God every time they show an act of love to any who are hungry, naked, sick, the poor, the unwelcome, etc.
"Love God with all your heart."
"Love your neighbor as yourself"
If a person claims to be a Christian, and does not love God. That person is not a Christian. And if a person claims to Love God, and does not love his neighbor as themselves. That person has false love
If a person does not call themself a Christian, and loves God and thier neighbors, that person is a true Christian in the eyes of God.
If a person does not know God, yet Loves his neighbor and does good for others. That person is a true Christian in the eyes of God.
Being a true Christian is something that comes from the heart.
You say, you must confess with thier mouth. If you have ears then listen, for the true Christian professes his Love for God every time they show an act of love to any who are hungry, naked, sick, the poor, the unwelcome, etc.
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“Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, AN HOLY PRIESTHOOD, TO OFFER UP SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES, ACCEPTABLE TO GOD BY YSHUA CHRIST..
Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine; 6 and you shall be to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words that you shall speak to the people of Israel.”
Every high priest is selected from among the people and is appointed to represent the people in matters related to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. 2 He is able to deal gently with those who are ignorant and are going astray, since he himself is subject to weakness. 3 This is why he has to offer sacrifices for his own sins, as well as for the sins of the people. 4 And no one takes this honor on himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was.
5 In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”
7 During the days of Yshau’s life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
Twistie
Not The Father but man.. I do not try n force u to claim a Title u do that willingly n yet those who claim a title want to force another to take it..
I don't do titles I follow the Word n the Word alone..
Hopefully u will agree to disagree so we can move on not b stuck weather or not I need a title to b saved...
I have Faith in YH not man
Twistie
You are claiming man as a derogatory word named the believers Christians . . and not eternal God who is not a man .
God as our Father called them Christians previously calling the bride Israel .
If you followed the word alone as it is written then you might understand. Change the meaning of one word of the author and perfecter of our new born again faith then a person is claiming another gospel which is not good news coming from the antichrists .
God has many titles as immutable attributes . In the end of the matter he magnifies his living word with a warning not to add to sola scriptura
Psalm 138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Ultimately as the first ressurection is as sons of God .What we are today. Earthen bodies of death. is not what we will be. . . the second resurrections a new incorruptible body the body of Christ the wife of God our husband .
1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Christian. . a demonym (people known by location) literally meaning residents of the city of Christ prepared as Christ's bride, the church .
Cities as demonyms in that way are used to represent two kinds of brides . One the strange woman signified by the first city Canna.. And Zion to represent the city of Christ not seen
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Proverbs 2:16To deliver thee from the strange woman, even from the stranger which flattereth with her words;
Proverbs 5:3 For the lips of a strange woman drop as an honeycomb, and her mouth is smoother than oil:
Proverbs 31:9-11King James Version9 Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
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I am saying Christian is a derogatory word it was used to mock the followers of Christ like they did Christ Himself
If a million peep believe a lie it doesn't make it the Truth
I fast unto the Lord Himself n He is Faithful and True unlike man..
If one wants to give themselves a derogatory title then so b it doesn't mean I have to follow mans traditional ways
My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.”
Twistie
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I'm not sure what you're talking about with cities. However, we know that Christ was raised in the same body that was on the cross. Thus, we will be raised in the same bodies that we have now also.
Christ as God is not a man . Christ has no body.
Christ the Holy Spirit raised the Son of man, Jesus the newness of spirit life .
Some did know the Holy Spirit of Christ that worked in our brother in the Lord Jesus .But only one demonstration of the lamb that was slain from the foundation the 6 days the Father as Christ did work .
As sons of God which we are we are not what we will be when we (the bride or wife) receive our entirely new bodies that will never die .There will be no commandment to be fruitful and multiply
2 Corinthians 5: 16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no mor Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
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Jesus was both flesh and spirit
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Huh?
1Jn 4:2; By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;
1Jn 4:3; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
Luke 24:39; "See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
Luke 24:40; And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
Acts 1:11; They also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven."
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Actually, Christ is a man. Paul states specifically that Jesus was in the form of God and He put off that form and took the form of man. Thus, He is a man.
Jesus is not the Holy Breath/Spirit.
The Father as Christ, as you put it, is the doctrine of Modalism and has been proved wrong many centuries ago.
Eternal God is not a man as us.
Actually the word Christ(anointer) is not a person but is a teaching authority coming from the Father . Jesus the Son of man does not have a surname as Christ .Christ meaning the anointing power that God pours out on his children yoked with him.
Jesus like Joshua meaning savior is a attribute (not flesh and blood) .
Joseph the father of Jesus and his brothers and sisters there father's name was Jacob or Heli, depending if you are using Matthew or Luke. So Joseph would have been known as “Joseph son of Heli .
Today we are lovingly commanded to call no man on earth father what works for the Son of man Jesus as a born again son of God works for us today
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Dear @Soyeong,
My apologies that I am rather "late to the party" here, but your statement above just caught my eye, and I was wondering about how you would understand the following verse:
(Acts 5:30-32 KJV) The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Thank you kindly,
Rhema
Hello, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking about, but I'll give some thoughts and hope that it covers it.
The fact that the Spirit is given to those who obey God means that obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2 denies that that works of the law are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore the phrase "works of the law" does not refer to obedience to anything that God has commanded. In Romans 3:27, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said in Romans 3:31 that our faith upholds God's law, so it is of faith, and a law that our faith upholds can't be referring to the same thing as the works of the law that are not of faith in Galatians 3:10-11.
It is possible that 1 leads to 2 and 1 leads to 3, but 2 does not lead to 3. In other words, the same faith by which we are justified can also be expressed as obedience to God, but obedience to God does not result in earning our justification, While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was justified (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's command to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so the same faith by which he was justified was also expressed as obedience to God, but he did not earn his justification as the result of his obedience (Romans 4:1-5). In James 2:21-24, it quotes Genesis 15:6 to support saying that Abraham was justified by his works when he offered Isaac, that his faith was active along with his works, and his faith completed his works, so he was justified by his works insofar as they were an expression of his faith, but not insofar he earned his justification as the result of doing those works,
In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only doers of the law will be justified, so there is a connection between obedience to God and our justification, but our obedience to God can be done for any number of reasons other than in order to earn our justification as a wage, so the Bible can speak against incorrect reasons for doing good works while upholding that our justification still requires us to do works for correct reasons, such as faith (Romans 3:31). Likewise, Acts 5:30-32 is not speaking about earning the Spirit as the result of our obedience to God.
The Bible often uses the same terms to describe aspects of the nature of God as it does to describe aspects of the nature of God's law, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12), or with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of God's law (Matthew 23:23), and this is because it is God's instructions for how to act in accordance with those aspects of His nature. Furthermore aspects of God's nature are the fruits of the Spirit and Jesus is the exact image of God's nature expressed through living in sinless obedience to God's law (Hebrews 1:3). So the Spirit has been given to those who obey God because those are the people who are expressing fruits of the Spirit.
Yes again God as Christ is not a man as us . and neither is there any fleshly meditator as a infallible interpreter that stands between flesh and bone and a spirit that works from with in.
Jesus the Son of man was a man as us .. . born of woman
In Luke 24 he is saying it clearly .The flesh and bones you see makes jesus a man .God who is spirt does not have ant for .we do not know Christ the creator after the temporal things seen . Faith (Christ's) must be mixed to show his labor of love working in us.
