Can not know the Lord without Repentance??

[At Peace]

I agree and I agree that God will provide a way....maybe, it is as simple as..."just don't do it".....like "just say no to drugs"! ....a lot of my sins are going away, the more I think God the more they go away....some are gone...some I am getting more and more control over...all the glory goes to God.
Now, my original thoughts in previous treads were with the "Temptation of Jesus" by the devil. Many say Jesus was tempted....they put a worldly spin on it...Jesus was tempted...i.e, the connotation is, even though he did not do any of the Devil's bidding,...he was tempted...he was enticed.

I say NO!...the " perfect Lamb Of God" was not even enticed in thought of doing any of it! He is he word and the word says it is a sin to even to have the thought ( Matthew 5:28), even though one does not do any of it physically. I think this is a good example: Never having a physical relationship with a woman but, being hooked of Pornography!

Your POV fails when compared to Heb 4:15..."For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
"Like as we are".
How often are you tempted without being tempted?

 

[KingJ]

You seem to deal in a world of "reaction", instead of one where your prayers contain words asking for help to avoid such dire circumstances beforehand.
I pray to God every day to keep me out of situations where I would be required to be violent with any man.
And I thank Him often for answering my prayers with peace.
Trust God instead of harming a foe.

You make a valid argument, as do I. Both are true.

 

[Born Again 2004]

There is a difference between "seeing" or "noticing" a woman and "leering" after her.

So what is your point?

 

[Born Again 2004]

Your POV fails when compared to Heb 4:15..."For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."
"Like as we are".
How often are you tempted without being tempted?

• As is often, you have it all wrong!
• Why can'y you answer not knowing what the Day Of Atonement was and how Jesus is now our final atonement? I don't think you read or know the Bible, except what supports your false narrative!

 

[At Peace]

So what is your point?

"Seeing-noticing" a girl is part of the ability of the human's eye.
"Leering" after her is a part of the human's lust. A wish for something unGodly.
Thankfully, "those that are Christ's have crucified the lusts with the flesh and affections." (Gal 5:24)

 

[At Peace]

• As is often, you have it all wrong!
• Why can'y you answer not knowing what the Day Of Atonement was and how Jesus is now our final atonement?
• I don't think you read or know the Bible, except what supports your false narrative!

"like as we are" leaves no misinterpretation that allows Jesus to be tempted in a way different than we are.
Can you reword your middle sentence so I can figure out what you are writing about?

 

[KingJ]

"Seeing-noticing" a girl is part of the ability of the human's eye.
"Leering" after her is a part of the human's lust. A wish for something unGodly.
Thankfully, "those that are Christ's have crucified the lusts with the flesh and affections." (Gal 5:24)

God wants us with the wicked 1 Cor 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people, 10 not at all meaning the people of this world. In that case you would have to leave this world.

IE He would rather have us fighting immoral thoughts and associating with the world.....over sitting in our room abstaining from all forms of evil thoughts.

 

[Born Again 2004]

"Seeing-noticing" a girl is part of the ability of the human's eye.
"Leering" after her is a part of the human's lust. A wish for something unGodly.
Thankfully, "those that are Christ's have crucified the lusts with the flesh and affections." (Gal 5:24)

• What about the 10 sins that many do see? You asked for one..no comment? And what about the Day of Atonement..still no answer?

 

[At Peace]

God wants us with the wicked 1 Cor 5:9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people, 10 not at all meaning the people of this world. In that case you would have to leave this world.

IE He would rather have us fighting immoral thoughts and associating with the world.....over sitting in our room abstaining from all forms of evil thoughts.

Your version of the bible refutes itself.
Look at the wording..."I wrote...NOT to associate...", and in the same sentence "not at all meaning the people of this world...".
What other world are we to associate with?

 

[KingJ]

Your version of the bible refutes itself.
Look at the wording..."I wrote...NOT to associate...", and in the same sentence "not at all meaning the people of this world...".
What other world are we to associate with?

The 'not' to associate with is spoken to in verse 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister, but is sexually immoral.

 

[At Peace]

• What about the 10 sins that many do see? You asked for one..no comment? And what about the Day of Atonement..still no answer?

The "10 sins" were in another thread, right?
I have addressed it there.
The day of atonement was for the OT Jews.
The blood of Christ, our atonement, is applied to us once, at our baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38)

 

[At Peace]

The 'not' to associate with is spoken to in verse 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister, but is sexually immoral.

Then you agree, having seen the discrepancy yourself?

 

[KingJ]

Then you agree, having seen the discrepancy yourself?

...??

There is no discrepancy, are you serious? Did you not read those verses?

It is saying.....DO NOT associate with Christians in mortal sins (1 Cor 1:1 for evidence of the type of sin). It is saying DO associate with the unsaved who are in sin, venial and mortal. If you can't, then you need to leave the earth. IE You are useless to God on earth if you cannot reach the sinner. Now reaching the sinner entails ....having dinner with a sexually immoral person. IE Putting yourself very close to a mud puddle. The odds of mud splashing onto you or you getting your hand a bit dirty in trying to grab them out are high.

If all we do is sit at home in our clean house waiting for the day we are raptured, we will be like the guy given one talent who did nothing with it.

 

[At Peace]

...??

There is no discrepancy, are you serious? Did you not read those verses?

It is saying.....DO NOT associate with Christians in mortal sins (1 Cor 1:1 for evidence of the type of sin). It is saying DO associate with the unsaved who are in sin, venial and mortal. If you can't, then you need to leave the earth. IE You are useless to God on earth if you cannot reach the sinner. Now reaching the sinner entails ....having dinner with a sexually immoral person. IE Putting yourself very close to a mud puddle. The odds of mud splashing onto you or you getting your hand a bit dirty in trying to grab them out are high.

If all we do is sit at home in our clean house waiting for the day we are raptured, we will be like the guy given one talent who did nothing with it.

Without the belief that Christians don't commit sin, (1 John 3:9), and don't commit "mortal" sins or any other kind, you fail to see the similarity of your supposed believers who sin, and unbelievers who sin.
They are all the same...children of the devil. (1 John 3:10)
Why would you decipher the verses to make some kind of differentiation?

 

[amadeus2]

• As is often, you have it all wrong!
• Why can'y you answer not knowing what the Day Of Atonement was and how Jesus is now our final atonement? I don't think you read or know the Bible, except what supports your false narrative!

Sorry, but as is often the case I must agree with our friend @At Peace which means in this case disagreeing with you. You speak of reading and knowing the Bible, but how well have you considered what is written?

Jesus was tempted, but never did he succumb to the temptation according to the verse which was quoted [Heb 4:15]. Every other man has similarly been tempted but all of the rest of them [us] at some point have failed to overcome the temptation... and sinned. This is what it means to be an overcomer. Before Jesus paid the price and sent the Comforter [the Holy Ghost] no one could become an overcomer. Jesus first overcame his own world of temptation and then opened the Way for all the rest of us to do the same. If a person who get on the now open Way and Overcome as Jesus overcame he will NOT be given to eat of the Tree of Life:

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God." Rev 2:7

He who is NOT given to eat of that Tree will not live forever:

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" Gen 3:22

 

[KingJ]

Without the belief that Christians don't commit sin, (1 John 3:9), and don't commit "mortal" sins or any other kind, you fail to see the similarity of your supposed believers who sin, and unbelievers who sin.
They are all the same...children of the devil. (1 John 3:10)
Why would you decipher the verses to make some kind of differentiation?

A venial sinner is not the same as a mortal sinner.

If there were three guys asking to go on a date with your daughter. Your daughter asks who you approve of:

1. The Christian boy who curses a little because God has five unsaved friends around him who curse all the time.
2. The boy in prison for killing his parents.
3. The boy who sits in his room all day and never goes out, to ensure he won't be tempted to commit any sin whatsoever.

 

[At Peace]

A venial sinner is not the same as a mortal sinner.

They are both sinners.
You differentiate between seriousness of sin, while God differentiates between sin and non-sin.
Black and white with no shades of grey.

If there were three guys asking to go on a date with your daughter. Your daughter asks who you approve of:
1. The Christian boy who curses a little because God has five unsaved friends around him who curse all the time.
2. The boy in prison for killing his parents.
3. The boy who sits in his room all day and never goes out, to ensure he won't be tempted to commit any sin whatsoever.

More hypotheticals to evaluate the difference between levels of sin?
There is no differences.
Sin is hate of God's government over one's life.

It is written..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

 

[KingJ]

They are both sinners.
You differentiate between seriousness of sin, while God differentiates between sin and non-sin.

You assume. There is differentiation in the OT. When one sinner is stoned and another excommunicated. There is differentiation in the NT, just read 1 Cor 5. Or 1 Cor 6.

There is no differences.

So if I think about pulling your hair verse actually pulling it, its the same to you?

Sin is hate of God's government over one's life.

Sin is disobedience to God. There are levels of disobedience. Just ask any parent.

It is written..."Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

The context is abstain / fight sin. Only God is perfect Mark 10:18. It is also written 1 Cor 6:1-9 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

 

[At Peace]

You assume. There is differentiation in the OT. When one sinner is stoned and another excommunicated. There is differentiation in the NT, just read 1 Cor 5. Or 1 Cor 6.

I'm not living in the OT.
As for the scriptures you suggest, you may have missed this..."Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God".
Which of those sins is mortal and which are venial...and don't they all draw the same "reward"?

So if I think about pulling your hair verse actually pulling it, its the same to you?

Of course not, as one case illustrates the ability to reject the temptation.

Sin is disobedience to God. There are levels of disobedience. Just ask any parent.

Sin, no matter which one, is disobedience to God.

The context is abstain / fight sin. Only God is perfect Mark 10:18.

I'm sorry you think so little of Jesus...and those in Him after His resurrection.

It is also written 1 Cor 6:1-9 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

Are committers of "mortal" sins, "unjust"?
Are committers of "venial" sins, "unjust"?
I think you will agree they are both "unjust".

 

[KingJ]

I'm not living in the OT.

God does not change Num 23:19. Stop making your own god.

As for the scriptures you suggest, you may have missed this..."Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God".

You are unreal. You ignore the first eight verses and completely focus on this passage.

On this passage,

1. Notice the '''ers'' at the end of each sin. When we repent we are not sinn'ers'. These people are active sinners without a desire to repent. The adulterer that goes on in adultery. An adulterer who has not got a desire to repent. If he did, he would be called the person who used to be in adultery, then made a mistake of it (Christianity / repentance is only ever questionable if we continue in or make once off mortal sins), who repented. We are called saints who make occasional mistakes. Often venial sins.

2. Note he does not say ''those who thought of these sins'''.

3. Note the first eight verses is him URGING us to JUDGE BETTER then the unsaved. Now we know that the unsaved know the difference between a thief who steals a single candy from a candy store and a thief who robs orphans of all their food.

Paul will NOT be impressed with your interpretation of this chapter!! I can guarantee that! He is clearly referring to those sold out to these sins!

Are committers of "mortal" sins, "unjust"?
Are committers of "venial" sins, "unjust"?
I think you will agree they are both "unjust".

How many people who have thought about committing sins are in prison?