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Without Marys yes to God on carrying the child Jesus. Alot of stuff would be different. Read Luke 1 26-35. It was also Mary who urged Jesus' first miracles read John 2:1-12. We could debate this forever but what is the point. catholics do not worship Mary we honor her. We ask her intercession just like we ask othjers on this forum for intercessory prayers. Let us focus on the love.:love: :love:
 
I am very dissapointed in this thread. I joined not to read people bash a faith. You can consider bible tradition if you research enough.

Bash a faith? Show me the bashing please.

Its one thing to bash a "faith", its another thing to preach the truth which was clearly done here, so please refrain from your opinions when we're trying to discuss the Word, which is truth that requires no man's opinions.

Without Marys yes to God on carrying the child Jesus. Alot of stuff would be different. Read Luke 1 26-35. It was also Mary who urged Jesus' first miracles read John 2:1-12. We could debate this forever but what is the point. catholics do not worship Mary we honor her. We ask her intercession just like we ask othjers on this forum for intercessory prayers. Let us focus on the love

Without Mary's "yes" a lot of stuff would be different? Show me proof. GOD is all powerful. He does not NEED Mary to carry Jesus. If she said no, it would have been foolish. But GOD would have found any other woman of HIS choice. Do not limit GOD by your own earthly wisdom and imagination. Show me proof that Mary can intercede for you. The ones who "intercede" are our earthly believers, and Jesus Christ. Not Mary. There is no Scripture that shows this whatsoever. Its obvious you are more a follower of Catholic doctrine instead of Truth in the Word itself. Why?

Romans 8:34
Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Its no coincidence that the ONLY ones who disagree with this thread are the obvious catholics. By the way, honor Mary for what? It was Jesus that paid the price on Calvary. Why are you honoring a sinner like Mary? She was 100% in need of a Savior like you and I. Plain and simple.

Romans 3:21-24
21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all<sup>[a]</sup> who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,

This thread is about exposing the lies of the Catholic doctrines. This thread is meant to reach the lost and deceived with 100% Scripture truth. If you do not like the 100% truth idea, then you certainly do not love Jesus with all your heart but your prideful of your own personal beliefs that do not line up with Scripture.
 
Whatever

I thought I found a website for all believers. We are one body in Christ. People who knock another religion are just wrong. I feel like you have this website to fill people full of hatred against catholics. I pray for people no matter what denomination. I thought this is what this website was for. By the way catholics are christians, we all believe in the same Christ.
 
"Whatever"? How childish. You would think being a father of 3 children you would respond more maturely, more professionally but instead you chose to respond in arrogance and no explanation for the questions I asked you to back up with Scripture. I remember in elementary school when kids who did not know what to say would respond the same way you did, "whatever".

You know the strange thing is you quoted from the Holy Bible, yet you call yourself a catholic, which has its own man-infested, tampered version of the Holy Bible. Are you confused about which one to follow?

I thought I found a website for all believers. We are one body in Christ. People who knock another religion are just wrong. I feel like you have this website to fill people full of hatred against catholics. I pray for people no matter what denomination. I thought this is what this website was for. By the way catholics are christians, we all believe in the same Christ.

Then why do they call themselves catholics? Why do they have their own man-tampered version of the Word called the "catholic bible"?

There is a difference between non-denominational and false teaching. Here, it is non-denominational but does that mean we welcome false teaching? Common sense, no. Yes, we who follow Jesus and abide by His Word, not any other including the catholic false doctrine, mormon teachings, Jehovah's Witness teachings to name a few. We welcome all and teach about Jesus according to the one and only Holy Bible. Nothing else. Why do you have a problem with that?

Your the 2nd person in this thread that disagreed and no coincidence that the other just like you, is a catholic who is more concerned about making lame excuses about this thread, making false comments about its purpose for sake of defending your pride for catholicism instead of opening your heart to the truth itself. Are you sure you love Jesus? I don't see that because you certainly are denying the truth this thread is teaching.

If you were not raised catholic but instead raised in a Pentecostal church for example, would you continue defending the catholic teachings? I'm confident you would not.

So all the false things exposed of the catholic teachings, you apparently deny and continue preaching it. Why is it that everyone here agrees with the thread, except 2 "catholics"? No coincidence at all. I'm also not suprised Logan that you did not bother defending your comments that I quoted in my last post. The reason is clear, you have no Scriptural proof to back it up.

Let me show you what the first catholic person posted (the one who got 2 posts deleted for his arrogance and insults).

You remember my friend ..... who kept you informed during my illness - well sadly she took her own life in August but I pray for her every day.Today I will be going to the Adoration of the Blessed Eucharist where we watch with Jesus as if we were at Gethsamene.
Praying for the dead? Unscriptural 100%.

Want to learn more about the unscriptural beliefs and teachings of the catholic system? Read this if you truly love Jesus and seek His Word: http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-chat/5886-christian-catholic.html

To set the record straight, the thread contains 100% truth about catholicism. It is not my opinion so refrain from assuming so. I come from a family of over 150 relatives, 99% who are catholics just like you Logan who "honor Mary" and clearly do not read the Word which is GOD's infallible Truth. They defend what they were taught on as children yet til this day they do not bother reading the Word for themselves to see if they were taught truth. I went to catholic school for 13 years where they "honor Mary", where they "hail Mary", where they have statues of "saints", where they dress in man traditional uniforms and practice every catholic tradition.

Read the book of Daniel to learn a little about Rome. Actually, read the Bible to learn about the Truth told by GOD through the Holy Spirit.
 
Someone, a young brother in Christ here in the forums who is defending the Word in this thread [will not disclose his name for his own privacy], shared this informative link with me just now.

Roman Catholicism

A piece taken from the site:

"By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the 'Mother of Mercy,' the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives," (Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 2677).
 
I am catholic and I am keeping aware that there is these incorrect information.

I am happy for people to point out wrongs in a religion whether I agree or not. In this day in age we need to have our eyes opened to this kind of thing. Read what is being said here and investigate this instead of closing your eyes. Churches are a heavy subject in revelation: Rev. 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." It is clear here that satan (the dragon) will attack the church (the woman). Our church that keeps the commandments. So we must have our eyes opened to this and be careful to what is happening in our churches! I believe you will see rules shifting (particularly regarding God's commandments).
 
I am catholic and I am keeping aware that there is these incorrect information.

I am happy for people to point out wrongs in a religion whether I agree or not. In this day in age we need to have our eyes opened to this kind of thing. Read what is being said here and investigate this instead of closing your eyes. Churches are a heavy subject in revelation: Rev. 12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." It is clear here that satan (the dragon) will attack the church (the woman). Our church that keeps the commandments. So we must have our eyes opened to this and be careful to what is happening in our churches! I believe you will see rules shifting (particularly regarding God's commandments).
PLEASE understand that I write this as a loving warning to all STRONG Catholics out there! I am not interested in the "weak" ones that will email me hatefilled, vulgar email packed with death threats. This warning goes out to those that have a heart for their God and a desire to please HIM. There is an attack on the Catholic child that is directly from hell itself. YOU are being targeted by Satan as prey for the flames of hell. One way in particular is his direct attack on the blessed Mother of Jesus Christ who is BLESSED FOREVER above all women and there is no woman blessed as she! ALL GENERATIONS WILL CALL HER BLESSED!

Luke 1:48, "For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed."

Think of that for a moment. She is blessed, she is Mary, she is the woman God chose to raise His Son on Earth. Now... Read below.. would MARY the REAL Mother of Jesus speak these words??????????

In 1917 the "demon" calling itself Mary spoke these words...

"Only I can help you. My Immaculate Heart will be your refuge and the way that will lead you to God."

These words are in direct conflict with the Word of God that was spoken out of the mouth of Jesus Christ Himself!

John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

If this "demon" was really Mary the Mother of Jesus she would NOT be calling her Son and Saviour Jesus Christ a LIAR! By saying that "Mary" is the "Only one that can help you" is actually saying quite bluntly that Jesus Christ the Saviour of the World CANNOT and WILL NOT help you! THIS IS BLATANT ANTICHRIST TEACHING! This is just one aspect to what the demon os preaching. the SAME demon is doing it again in "Medjugorje" today as well. Take a look at what the demon says, and then take a look at what the Bible says. YOU WILL BE GENUINLEY SHOCKED PEOPLE!!!

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I could very easily write an entire book on all the evidence that is available today to prove that it is NOT Mary the mother of Jesus, or even Jesus Christ Himself, that is appearing in Medjugorje, Bayside New York, Highland Park Illinois, or has appeared in such places as Fatima, Lourdes, or countless other places. Maybe some day in the future the Lord will allow me to do just that. For now, I will share what is happening on a frequent basis in NewYork. The "Apparition" calling itself Mary, or "Our Lady of the Roses" as it prefers, has been relaying "Messages from Heaven" for all to read. All we need to do is what the Bible says we must do when this occurs. It will reveal to us exactly who it is that is appearing to these people. The Bible tells us very plainly that we should "believe not every spirit, but try (TEST) the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." [1John 4:1] The Bible also warns us that in the end-times we will see an increase in demonic activity. The prophecy states that "they are the spirits of devils, working miracles," [Revelation 16:14] But don't take my word for it, lets take a look at what these "apparitions" are saying before we make a decision. We need to see if they "are of God", and the only way to see if they are is to see if they are consistent with what the Word of God says. If they are truly bringing us messages from Heaven, then these messages will harmonize with the ultimate message. "The Bible."

I was driving down the road one day with two of my sons when we noticed a billboard as big as life with huge bold letters proclaiming, "Mary Speaks to America!" It had an "800" phone number on it to call. So I jotted it down and headed home. A week or so after making the call I received an envelope packed with information from "Our Lady's Children in Maryland." There was three flyers with tons of "Messages from Heaven", along with 15 promises from Mary. It also contained a "blessed" rose petal in the package.


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The Fifteen Promises of Mary to Christians Who Recite the Rosary
Promise # 9 = "I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the rosary"
Promise # 14 = All who recite the rosary are my sons, and brothers of my only son Jesus Christ."


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First off we learned earlier that the Lord prefers that we "use not VAIN REPETITIONS, as the heathen do" [Matthew 6:7] So the rosary itself is not consistent with what the Word of God teaches for the method of prayer. Plus we also learned earlier that "there is A GREAT GULF FIXED so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence." [Luke 16:26] So how could Mary deliver anyone out of anyplace? The Bible dosen't say that Mary is our deliverer, it says that "The LORD [is] my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;" [2Samuel 22:2] Plus there is absoulutely no mention of a place called purgatory anywhere in the Bible. If you have a computer with the Bible online try doing a search for the word "purgatory", you will find NOTHING. Next we see that one of the 15 promises states that Jesus is the ONLY SON of Mary. This too is in direct conflict with what the Word of God says about the family that Jesus grew up with. As we learned earlier, there are numerous verses that proves Jesus was indeed from a large family. Matthew 13:55-56 alone states that Jesus had four brothers and more than one sister! Does it not say that this Jesus was "the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his BRETHREN, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his SISTERS, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?"


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On one of the flyers it states that Mary says we should "Wear the brown Scapular and other sacramentals." Also it states everyone should "-Keep the statues in your homes." -Bayside "The Lourdes of America" Jesus and Mary Speak to the World Through Veronica Lueken


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This is indeed a direct method of teaching the people of the world to break Commandment # 2. "Thou shalt not make unto thee ANY graven image, or ANY likeness of ANYTHING that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth." [Exodus 20:4] Remember? A "graven image" and a statue, scapular, medal, sacramental, are all the SAME THING. IDOLS, plain and simple.

Did not Jesus say on the cross, "it is finished" [John 19:30] Jesus did NOT say, "It is finished...But wait a minute... My Mom will stop by in 1917, 1930, 1964, 1982, 1994, etc... to let you know what I am up to."

"Wear any size crucifix that you can find. It does no have to be big or small, but an image of My Son" Directives from Heaven From the vision of "-Our Lady, Sept. 7 1985"


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Once again, the Commandment #2 is suggested to be broken. Notice the actual use of the word "image." Seems like a pretty bold attempt to sway many to ignore the second Commandment of God.


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"You must keep them upon you, with a crucifix. We demand a crucifix. Directives from Heaven From the vision of "-Jesus, June 18, 1987"


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Here it seems the apparition of "Jesus" is demanding that all Catholics break the Commandments that He Himself taught us to keep! Does not Jesus say with His own mouth "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." [John 15:10] So how is it possible that He would now tell everyone to wear an "image, or likeness that is in Heaven above?" when His Bible tells us that we should not?

The Lord blesses all with a wonderfull and easy to understand clue to keep in mind. The Bible plainly says, "For I am the LORD, I change not;" [Malachi 3:6] Is this not a wonderful way to "test" the spirits that are popping up all over the place? Why would the Lord tell us one thing in His Bible, and another thing in some "apparition" in NewYork, Fatima, or Lourdes? Don't think that this is just some people playing a prank on everyone for reasons of financial gain. These "apparitions" are very real, for the Bible says very simply that "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light." [2 Corinthians 11:14] Satan does indeed use this method to decieve many! As a matter of fact, the devil will use even more miraculous methods for all to see very soon. You can count on it! He knows his time is short, he needs to be more persuasive as the end gets closer.


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"I wish at this time to stress anew to you that many must go forth as angels of light - angels certainly, My children, without wings, but no less an angel." Roses article "Go forth as angels of light" p. 3 From the vision of "-Jesus June 18, 1994"


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Kind of makes you wonder if anyone is reading their Bibles now doesn't it. How can so many fall for such lies when the Word of God has it all written down well in advance in the Scriptures that it will happen this way? If everyone knew the truth about where people go when they die, the Devil would have absolutely no power to deceive in this way. Everyone would know it's not Mary standing before them, or Saint Therese sending them "roses." For the Devil to use terms like, "angels of light", "purgatory", or "image", proves he has every confidence in the world that those he deceives don't know this is warned of in the Bible. It's almost as if he is "showing off" and proving his control over the population to keep them out of the Bible. This stuff is first grade reader type warnings for everyone to see, yet, if they refuse to look in the Bible they won't see it.

How does the Lord God feel about His children IGNORING His Bible? HOSEA 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
 
Brother Styles, that was a mighty long post :) I did not read the whole thing, mostly read first half and scanned the rest, pickedup on the Scripture mostly. I agree with what you said here...

"Kind of makes you wonder if anyone is reading their Bibles now doesn't it. "

So true, so sad, so ignorant people are. People forget that GOD cannot be mocked. What does GOD say about those hypocrites?

Luke 13:24-28


24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.

If people TRULY read the one and only HOLY BIBLE (not catholic 'bible'), they would NOT be catholics nor follow the catholic ways, the false teachings, the 'hail mary', the statues (images) and so forth
 
Intersession...

"For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus" (1 Timothy 2:5).

I have never in my life (even when I was Eastern Orthodox) prayed for anyone with the belief that I could intercede for them before the throne of God.

Who am I to put on such authority?

Who is the Pope? The bishops? Any priest or angel or saint?

When Catholics pray for others, they apparently get this idea in their head that they can act as intersessors. They even have a whole cult of ancestors up there in Heaven who are apparently doing the same thing.

"Put in a good word for me while you're up there, Grandma. After all, God really likes you, he (left not capitalized for a reason) will listen to you for sure."

Do you really want to worship a God that can be ... convinced one way or the other about anything by some mortals?

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Do you know the etymology and history of intersessor?

In Roman Law the intersessor was the third member of a tribunal. He was the one who cast the veto that could unbalance a split vote. The intersessor was the one whose word could make the difference between someone being judged innocent or guilty.

Do any of us really think we hold that station with the Lord?

No?

Then why teach it?

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When my brothers and sisters in Christ want mortal companionship and fellowship, I pray with them.

When the weight of the sins for which they have not forgiven themselves rests so heavily on their shoulders that they are too ashamed to lift their own voices to God, I will pray for them.

But I cannot and will not intercede for anyone.
That is not my place.
That is not the place of Mary or any saint or any angel either.

I should think you'd want to very carefully examine anyone who said they possessed such authority. You may find that they are possessed...period.
 
Brother Styles, that was a mighty long post :) I did not read the whole thing, mostly read first half and scanned the rest, pickedup on the Scripture mostly. I agree with what you said here...

"Kind of makes you wonder if anyone is reading their Bibles now doesn't it. "

So true, so sad, so ignorant people are. People forget that GOD cannot be mocked. What does GOD say about those hypocrites?

Luke 13:24-28


24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out.

If people TRULY read the one and only HOLY BIBLE (not catholic 'bible'), they would NOT be catholics nor follow the catholic ways, the false teachings, the 'hail mary', the statues (images) and so forth
Chad, I got one real good one here!!

Jeremiah 7:18 says, "... the women knead the dough, to make cakes for the QUEEN OF HEAVEN; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger!"

Is the Roman Catholic version of Mary truly the BIBLICAL Mary? Or is she really the Queen of Heaven from the Babylonian church of old that angered the Lord God in the book of Jeremiah? Out of all the proofs that expose the Vatican as the Pagan church, this has to be one of the most graphic. It’s almost as if they went back in time and copied this Pagan goddess exactly, so as to worship her as she desires them to. Old paintings and statues that have been found of this demonic goddess are exact duplicates of statues and paintings you will find today in Roman Catholic churches depicting Mary. Even the colors of her clothing match perfectly! It’s really quite shocking to say the least!
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Also I want to add some of my personal life.

I was a former Catholic and I don't live in a Catholic beliefs that had me to believed the bogus lies that man put false lies to what the traditions is, because Traditions means man made but I read where the bible explain that a church like the big example like the Catholic church would not agree to what God see and also that explains to be aware of false traditional church like the Catholic church or any other traditional denominations.

I could tell you this story where I first got save and I had to go to my old church “Catholic” and you have no idea how I felt and I felt much greater but at the sometime, because I’m save as a Christian and quick away from the Catholic church and I was there because my family told me that I had to go because I have a cousin that going to a first communion and they said I had to go because when I was young I use to take class in the Catholic church and I still remember the feeling that I use to have and I like the feeling I have now as a Christian rather then a Catholic because when I got save I was changes like spiritual healings I mean I came home walk different, talk different, think different, felt different, treat people better because I use to go home with some much attitude and I use to have like some boxing fights with my mom believed it or not.

But really, the last time I was in the Catholic church I kind of act more if I was in my church because the church had no feeling and no nothing and felt like getting out of that church because there something good to worship and praise for all of He has done for us because I don’t go to church where some people look at you like your different from humans. I come to church with real fellowship!

When I use to be a Catholic I have not carry no Holy Spirit within me and all I have done is having big problems and I don’t know what would happen If I never got saved because I might have big lustful life and would got some many problems because its odd that I was gone to worse in my wicked ways that have not please God at all and like 3 days later I got save and I know and have witness the power of GOD! THANK YA JESUS FOR SHOWING ME MORE OF YOUR REAL TURTH ABOUT THE GOSPEL AWAY FROM WHAT MAN SAYS SUCH AS THE CATHOLIC CHURCH!!!

So that was much of it but I had to run out of that Catholic church because it did not felt right in there and I left free and I ran to my own church with that great feeling because I don’t want to be late for church services and I was so exciting for parsing and worshipinh and get that word of GOD in me where I love my bathers and sisters, until I saw one of the members and they was happy to see me and I was happy to see them because my old church is not so far from my old church so I ran and I felt so much better and felt happy and I did felt like there much weight in that Catholic church so I guest the Holy Spirit was trying to warn me with a alert to get me out of that church because there maybe a demonic things can be going on in that church or I can be wrong but I know people well at the sametime I don't know them personal but I do know that they go to church and I about like maybe 5 or 7 of them like one I know is a lesbian and I have seen them all and they do things that is not of God and I do had to get away from that unclean spirit :embarasse :embarasse
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Anyways, I had to share something because I had to say that I am in a real church where they preach deep in the word of God
I know people in my church who was catholic, including my co pastor

I'm not trying to panic the Catholic's because they don't have no idea what I want through as a Catholic from my experience and I am now a deacon and having a calling in my life as a future Evangelist and share to the lost catholic I don't hate the people because the bible says we should love one another but I hate the teaching that is a very big error because that teaching will not make them go to heaven that way to way I look at so if I say that becaue I love them and they need to find that truth in there hearts :love:
 
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Stylez4Christ, thank you for that post and I pray folks aren't scared off by the length of it. Everyone who comes here must read your post so they know satans attack plan. Satan can and does perform miracles, satan can and does quote from the bible. He is going to get everyone to worship the way he wants and trust me.....you WILL fall for it. If you don't study the truth the bible.

However, you can't mistrust everything. Jesus warned us of false prophets because there will be true prophets. For if there weren't going to be true prophets Jesus would have said don't trust ANY prophets. So the big question how to know the true from the false.

has there ever been a more crucial time to read and understand the bible? We must study over and over the bible so that we can wear the armour of God and thus not be decieved.

And I'm a little heartbroken about my catholic religion. It is impossible for me to be 100% catholic because it would go against what I believe is true. However, am I suppose to change my religion?
 
Stylez4Christ, thank you for that post and I pray folks aren't scared off by the length of it. Everyone who comes here must read your post so they know satans attack plan. Satan can and does perform miracles, satan can and does quote from the bible. He is going to get everyone to worship the way he wants and trust me.....you WILL fall for it. If you don't study the truth the bible.

However, you can't mistrust everything. Jesus warned us of false prophets because there will be true prophets. For if there weren't going to be true prophets Jesus would have said don't trust ANY prophets. So the big question how to know the true from the false.

has there ever been a more crucial time to read and understand the bible? We must study over and over the bible so that we can wear the armour of God and thus not be decieved.

And I'm a little heartbroken about my catholic religion. It is impossible for me to be 100% catholic because it would go against what I believe is true. However, am I suppose to change my religion?


Well, who do you love? Catholic system made by man, or Jesus? Do you love religion or relationship with Jesus? That should answer your question. Follow Jesus, and Him only.
 
Stylez4Christ, thank you for that post and I pray folks aren't scared off by the length of it. Everyone who comes here must read your post so they know satans attack plan. Satan can and does perform miracles, satan can and does quote from the bible. He is going to get everyone to worship the way he wants and trust me.....you WILL fall for it. If you don't study the truth the bible.

However, you can't mistrust everything. Jesus warned us of false prophets because there will be true prophets. For if there weren't going to be true prophets Jesus would have said don't trust ANY prophets. So the big question how to know the true from the false.

has there ever been a more crucial time to read and understand the bible? We must study over and over the bible so that we can wear the armour of God and thus not be decieved.

And I'm a little heartbroken about my catholic religion. It is impossible for me to be 100% catholic because it would go against what I believe is true. However, am I suppose to change my religion?
I know what your saying because I did a sermon about being decieved so yes you can be decieved and trick.Order to understand the bible not reading it like a novel but asking God in prayer and fasting also you need the Holy Ghost in you for that!!
 
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I know what your saying because I did a sermon about being decieved so yes you can be decieved and trick.Order to understand the bible not reading it like a novel but asking Godin prayer and fasting also you need the Holy Ghost in you for that!!

In agreement. My huge family are 99% catholics as well. Sad to say, but its true. They are deceived and have hardened hearts to listen. They do not read, they pray to Mary, the whole works of the devil



Only the Holy Spirit can give understanding and guidance, can bear witness of the Truth found only in Jesus Christ alone.

It is the heart of man, his will to choose to obey GOD and follow Him. It is the man's heart GOD looks after and can see if there is any sincerity and humility to follow Jesus.

Luke 9:23
[ Take Up the Cross and Follow Him ] Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
 
In agreement. My huge family are 99% catholics as well. Sad to say, but its true. They are deceived and have hardened hearts to listen. They do not read, they pray to Mary, the whole works of the devil



Only the Holy Spirit can give understanding and guidance, can bear witness of the Truth found only in Jesus Christ alone.

It is the heart of man, his will to choose to obey GOD and follow Him. It is the man's heart GOD looks after and can see if there is any sincerity and humility to follow Jesus.

Luke 9:23
[ Take Up the Cross and Follow Him ] Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
Yes, I'm in the samething to what your saying but I guest maybe 79% of my family on my dads and mom side are Catholic and I know how much are they:embarasse :embarasse
 
Something just came to thought which I believe is a very simple thing from the Holy Spirit to make the truth plain and clear about being deceived and what have you. It goes like this:

If you are truly humble and truly love Jesus, then you will know what is truth and what is not. The truth shall set you free (John 8:32). The Holy Spirit gives discernment to those who seek Him wholeheartedly (Jeremiah 29:13)

Basically, there is really no excuse to believe in false teachings or religions if you truly do seek Jesus Christ.
 
Something just came to thought which I believe is a very simple thing from the Holy Spirit to make the truth plain and clear about being deceived and what have you. It goes like this:

If you are truly humble and truly love Jesus, then you will know what is truth and what is not. The truth shall set you free (John 8:32). The Holy Spirit gives discernment to those who seek Him wholeheartedly (Jeremiah 29:13)

Basically, there is really no excuse to believe in false teachings or religions if you truly do seek Jesus Christ.
You know that article was so claer that one I gave well its funny that is not hard to understand and you can understand so well
 
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catholic, which has its own man-infested, tampered version of the Holy Bible.


Why do they have their own man-tampered version of the Word called the "catholic bible"?

as someone who has several idfferent translations i would like to know what the perceived differences are

also, why are catholics and their traditions and practices the main topic here, why aren't the ones of the orthodox church also under question?

thank you in advance

may the blessings of Christ be upon you
 
as someone who has several idfferent translations i would like to know what the perceived differences are

also, why are catholics and their traditions and practices the main topic here, why aren't the ones of the orthodox church also under question?

thank you in advance

may the blessings of Christ be upon you

Please read the original post. The "catholic" is not the main topic of the site, but it is obviously the main topic of this thread. Why is it important? For one, its the biggest "religion" in the world, with its obvious false teachings. Its important to stop this burning fire of deceit. Thats our responsibility as believers. There are certainly other discussions of false teachings on the forum as well including JW, Mormonism and even some Islamic discussions as well.
 
Please read the original post. The "catholic" is not the main topic of the site, but it is obviously the main topic of this thread. Why is it important? For one, its the biggest "religion" in the world, with its obvious false teachings. Its important to stop this burning fire of deceit. Thats our responsibility as believers. There are certainly other discussions of false teachings on the forum as well including JW, Mormonism and even some Islamic discussions as well.

chad,

thank you for replying

i do apologise for being vague, i didn't mean to offend

what i meant to ask was why is this thread aimed singularly at catholics? is it because they are the biggest? do they not share common factors with the orthodox church?

and please what is so different about their Bible
 
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