Catholicism

[Chad]

chad,

thank you for replying

i do apologise for being vague, i didn't mean to offend

what i meant to ask was why is this thread aimed singularly at catholics? is it because they are the biggest? do they not share common factors with the orthodox church?

and please what is so different about their Bible

My last response already answered both questions:

- read the original post
- there are other threads pointing out false teachings...

This thread is about catholicism, other threads about their respective false doctrines such as JW for example

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Chad

As a former Roman Catholic, I want to point out some things that I consider important: The "Catholic Bible", aside from (I think) six apochryphal books that they include in the scriptural canon that are not in the Protestant translations, is pretty much the same as the Protestant Bible; there's no substantial difference that I can recall

The problem lies in their teaching that their tradition is equally important as the Bible. Their teachings about the Virgin Mary stem from their tradition-based beliefs. Their tradition says that after her death, Mary was resurrected and taken to heaven; their tradition says that Mary is to be prayed to for Divine favor from God.

However, it's important to note that things are changing in the Catholic Church. For instance,for some years now, in new construction and in remodeling projects, statues are no longer mounted on sanctuary walls.

In addition, it appears that the "limbo" doctrine has been abandoned. I saw a secular newspaper article today reporting that the Catholic Church no longer holds that unbaptized babies go to limbo when they die; they now admit that these babies go straight to heaven to be with the Lord.

The Holy Spirit is moving in the Catholic Church, bringing badly needed change.To paraphrase an old automobile commercial, "This is not your grandfather's Catholic Church."

SLE

 

[JA0522]

Babies' R' Saved

Hey just a comment on some unbiblical doctrine that the cactholic church has put out there, and the False leadership that the POPE has. Apparently Catholics used to believe that there is a "special" place just outside of Heaven where they live for all eternity b/c they were never fully saved and can not be near God because of that. Not only is that doctrine false and disturbing enough but then the Pope "decided" that this has been ammended by no other than himself through GOD. The Pope has literally changed doctrine in his own church's that has existed for centuries which shows that it has never been doctrine from God to begin with b/c God does not change.

:lightning

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Hey just a comment on some unbiblical doctrine that the cactholic church has put out there, and the False leadership that the POPE has. Apparently Catholics used to believe that there is a "special" place just outside of Heaven where they live for all eternity b/c they were never fully saved and can not be near God because of that. Not only is that doctrine false and disturbing enough but then the Pope "decided" that this has been ammended by no other than himself through GOD. The Pope has literally changed doctrine in his own church's that has existed for centuries which shows that it has never been doctrine from God to begin with b/c God does not change.

:lightning

That is a great lil simple great info on that! Hey, your form Italy?

 

[Mouse]

Well, who do you love? Catholic system made by man, or Jesus? Do you love religion or relationship with Jesus? That should answer your question. Follow Jesus, and Him only.

What I mean is that I was baptized inot the catholic church. Does this mean I get re-baptized somewhere else?

Is there a topic somewhere about mary? Because I Stylez4christ inspired me to read all the messages of the mary apparations and let me say, it is creepy stuff. Did you know the message from "mary" in Guadalupe was for them to build a temple for her? And "mary also told them to make an idol of her. And it's all accepted by the catholic church! What? how?!

 

[ushalk]

in my opinion yes you should be baptised somewhere else. i see a lot of negative writings against what chad is saying here concerning the catholic religion. well it is false period. i think alot of people would see it is false if they would study the word and ask the lord for true revelation rather than following man. there is a statement that man uses when they believe something is right it goes something like "how can 10,000,000 people be wrong. well when we read through the word of god and ask the lord for true revelation of the word then he shows us that many of these churches in todays world are wrong in the sight of god. study dilligently and stop following man and follow the lord jesus. there is nothing biblical about holy water or the pastor of a church forgiving your sins or baby baptism or praying to saints or mary for that matter. the bible states very clearly that we only have on mediator that being the lord jesus christ. there is no one else and no other way.

the thing about this discussion is you can look this up in the encyclopedias and see that the catholic church is false.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

I am in agreement with those who say that the Catholic Church's tradition-based teachings are not scriptural and that they need to be dropped. But, I am saddened by the harsh, hate-filled rhetoric that comes out in threads like this.

Condemnation never draws people to the Lord Jesus. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" (MT 7:1-3)


SLE

 

[ushalk]

i really dont see alot of harsh or hate filled judgement here. i see people confronting the falseness that is being taught in a religion and people not wanting to search it out for them selves. there is a difference in judging and confronting or bringing things into the light.

many people will be hesitent to hear the truth espeacially if they have been taught a certain thing since childhood. jesus stated in the gospels that people will be hesitant to accept that which is good and it will take time for them to get rid of the old and put on the new.

it is hard for us to give up the things that have made us feel comfortable and good for so long to things that make us think about our own wrongs and needs to change. it is always easy for us to look at the problems with everyone else and ignore our own problems, this is a fact. i also believe that it is something that we all struggle with aswell.

 

[Chad]

ushalk...I agree with you 100%. This is the whole purpose of this thread and all other threads here that discuss false teachings from ANY doctrine, denomination, religion, etc.

 

[ushalk]

thank you chad, i agree with you aswell. i believe that it is very important that these things are brought out into the open so that people know what the truth is. in that not getting caught up in false teachings set astray from the true word of god.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

What I mean is that I was baptized inot the catholic church. Does this mean I get re-baptized somewhere else?

Is there a topic somewhere about mary? Because I Stylez4christ inspired me to read all the messages of the mary apparations and let me say, it is creepy stuff. Did you know the message from "mary" in Guadalupe was for them to build a temple for her? And "mary also told them to make an idol of her. And it's all accepted by the catholic church! What? how?!

I'm glad that it has inspired you, but one thing I'm not trying offend you or in such ways.

But I did it because people fight for the truth and this world is very confuse about everything and that we also need to understand that the devil is the author of Confusion in our lives, and that Jesus is the author of our FAITH!
There so much about Mary but seeing Marry crying is not good to watch? WHY. Is because it's supernatural is very and rarely and truly real of its Demonic force and its works, but that is not the real Mary because Mary last tears was on Calvary.

And yes, it is creepy to find that what I post. And yes, the bible is warning us by things like this to come.
I understand that what man put in the church that putting no room for the Holy Spirit its way in. What I mean by that is that the people taking that un truth seed in there heart that what man teach them and spreading this words that is not in the gospel because knowing that church dose not mean building, but we are the church, we are the body of Christ which mean that we have all sorts of gifts such as divine healing, understand people, prophecy, cast out demons, laying hands on the sick person, speaking in tongues or interpreted the speaking of tongues, help give people to feel joy and more!

We understand that those are gift from the holy spirit and the holy spirit is the one that helps us to gain wisdom and we going to have to use it to understand that “Mary the mother of god” or the queen of heaven is nothing but a lie.

I don't want to look to much about it because it has effected me in a such away, but we could pray this thing out and break this chanes out of your life, I'm sure that the devil is a liar and we going about to shut him up once for all and get back to our stuff for what he has been stolen from us. Try visiting another church and see what you can find, I always trust the small pentecostal non denominational but not the triditional churches im talking about a churchs that show some much love for everyone, and ministry that teach alot and excited for the word God and sermon that can deliver your life that kind a church I go to but yea

God bless you and hope you find your way because the bible says that truth shall set you FREE
I have to add that when we say the truth shall set you free, that dose mean it just going to set you free but to set other people free because if He could do it for you, well then he could do it for somebody who you are witnessing to..

 

[Mouse]

I could very easily write an entire book on all the evidence that is available today to prove that it is NOT Mary the mother of Jesus, or even Jesus Christ Himself, that is appearing in Medjugorje, Bayside New York, Highland Park Illinois, or has appeared in such places as Fatima, Lourdes, or countless other places. Maybe some day in the future the Lord will allow me to do just that. For now, I will share what is happening on a frequent basis in NewYork.

Hi Stylez,4Christ, I pray to the Lord that you DO write a book about this. I will be the frist to order that book.....I'll take one dozen please!
I'm having a hard time with someone very close to me who follows this demon Mary. I need all the help I can get.

 

[Janette]

Jesus' Love, Your heart, God's Power, and Baptism

You do not "have" to be re-baptized if you were baptized by a Catholic ceremony. Despite their faults and errors, the baptism of Catholic ceremony still dedicates the baptized to the Christ. Catholics *do* acknowledge Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, co-equal with the Father, of one being with Him, etc. Baptism would be one of the things the Catholic church got at least partially correct.

Jesus loves us so much that he'll take us even if we were originally baptized by Catholics who get a lot of things confused in addition to His holy nature.

However, Catholics also practice the habit of baptizing infants. Little Babies are not able to understand the baptism, and most Protestant sects are in agreement that it makes more sense to baptize believers who are of an age to understand what it is they are doing. To just randomly toss a baptism on a baby who doesn't know what it means is to turn the baptism itself into some kind of "ceremonial magic" that is going to protect the baby from harm. This is obviously not what God intended.

So...if *you* feel you wish to be re-baptized as an adult believer as a gesture to the Lord, your chuch, and yourself, then great. But understand that it's not required.

Baptism is like Salvation. God is more than capable of doing it without any help or ceremony from mankind. I know a man who silently said his peace to God on a battlefield and baptized himself with river water from the middle of a jungle somewhere in Nam. I assure you, that baptism "stuck." God simply allows us a ritual for it because we are created to be social creatures who dwell in fellowship not only with Him, but with each other. A ritual also allows God to work through us, for when we baptize in public places where others can witness (Go down to the river to pray), and those watchers see some of the changes you see on the faces of the baptized, then some understand that more is going on than just a wet dunking into water.


Janette

 

[rizen1]

Baptism Saves

Understanding Roman Catholism
Baptism Saves by Rick Jones

The Catholic church contends that baptism is necessary for salvation:

"The Lord himself affirms that Baptism is necessary for salvation." Pg. 320, #1257

All Catholics should be aware that the Lord does not agree with this statement. The Bible teaches that salvation is a free gift that works can never buy. This doctrine was devised by Catholicism:

"The Church does not know of any other means other than Baptism that assures entry into eternal beatitude..." Pg. 320, #1257
"The faithful are born anew by Baptism..." Pg. 311, #1212

"Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ, and are incorporated into the Church..." Pg. 312, #1213


The Bible could not disagree more:

"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" John 1:12

Despite Bible verses like these, the Catechism teaches that:

"Baptism not only purifies from all sins, but also makes the neophyte 'a new creature,' an adopted son of God, who has become a 'partaker of the divine nature,' member of Christ and co-heir with him, and a temple of the Holy Spirit." Pg. 322, #1265
"By Baptism all sins are forgiven, original sin and all personal sins, as well as all punishment for sin." Pg. 321, #1263 (See pg. 257, #985)

All these doctrines violate a host of Scriptures. The Bible teaches that only Christ can forgive our sins, performing a "good work" like baptism will never do it:

"In whom we have redemption through his (Christ's) blood, the forgiveness of sins..." Ephesians 1:7
If baptism is necessary for salvation, would the Apostle Paul have proclaimed:

"For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel..." 1 Corinthians 1:17
Or would this same great man of God have stated:

"I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;" 1 Corinthians 1:14
John the Baptist's message was:

"Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 3:2

After people repented, then they were...

"... baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins." Matthew 3:6

Listen to what the Ethiopian eunuch asked Philip as they discussed the subject of baptism:

"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God." Acts 8:36-37

The Bible teaches that baptism should occur after salvation, not as a requirement for salvation. When the Philippian jailer asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Paul answered:

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house... And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway." Acts 16:30, 31, 33

First, they believed, then they were baptized. Baptism always follows salvation! Here's another example:

"And Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized." Acts 18:8

In Acts chapter two, Peter, the supposed first pope, preached. When he finished:

"... they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:41

Again, they were baptized, not to become sons of God, but because they already were sons of God.

When Philip preached to the people of Samaria, first came salvation, then baptism:

"But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women." Acts 8:12

Soon after in that same passage, Simon, a deceiving sorcerer, followed the same path:

"Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip..." Acts 8:13

The Catechism states:

"All the sacraments are sacred links uniting the faithful with one another and binding them to Jesus Christ, and above all Baptism, the gate by which we enter into the Church." Pg. 248, #950

Just before his death, the thief on the cross next to Jesus put his faith in Jesus Christ. Obviously, he was never baptized, but he still went to paradise. Why? Because salvation is through faith in Christ, not through baptism.

The Catechism also contends that when a person is baptized, it is really Jesus Himself who is doing the baptizing:

"By his (Christ's) power he is present in the sacraments so that when anybody baptizes, it is really Christ himself who baptizes." Pg. 283, #1088 Simply stated, this is another Catholic tradition not found in God's Word.

Another Contradiction

Here is another Catholic doctrine:

"Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." Pg. 324, #1274

But the Bible disagrees again, stating that the eternal destiny of God's children has been sealed with the Holy Spirit:

"... in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Ephesians 1:13
"And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Ephesians 4:30

 

[Chad]

Great article sister rizen1. Thank you for sharing this.

You know something is wrong when one separates themselves from the true body of Christ, the One and only Living Word and calls themselves a new "denomination", and comes up with their own modified version of the bible, consisting their own doctrine. Something is certainly wrong when such who believe in these wrong teachings try to sway around the truth and try to come up with an excuse for each wrong teaching, not to mention each man made tradition.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Hi Stylez,4Christ, I pray to the Lord that you DO write a book about this. I will be the frist to order that book.....I'll take one dozen please!
I'm having a hard time with someone very close to me who follows this demon Mary. I need all the help I can get.

LOL hahahahahah “LAUGHTER.” I did not wrote it but I know I could make a book as long as I work with my grammar issues “LAUGHTER” but that would be nice to write a book but I would need to work on that maybe in the future that I would be interested, but I do know my pastor is writing a book and it took him like I think he said a year or 2 but I don’t really remember but I know it been very long time. So, Umm- The one that your very close with that your having a hard time with, I can relate to that because it is part of my testimony because when I became a Christian that my catholic family say that I’m crazy and brain wash and I was having hard time with my grandmother until one day I was at this bible study at church and we went into this subject about dealing with demons or seeing demons with are own eyes and I was one of them and so forth.

So now I was inside this circle and I was closing my eye and was being pray for until I start shaking and my hand and leg was shacking and I realize I hear my pastor said something to me why’ll my eyes is still close because I understood what he said until he said I was having problems with my grandmother and everything and he said that God said I am not crazy and kept saying I am not crazy and still said I am not crazy and he said that God will go to my grandma to soften her mind. He then lay hands on me and begin to fall forward to the floor “slain in the spirit” and like maybe 1 or 2 months later my grandma stop being against me of going to this church that I attended right now so God words never lie and what he said he going to do he’s going to do it and even when I was like started going to church for 1 to 2 Sundays that my mom said I can’t go and I cry my eyes out and start praying to God that softened my mama mind to like changes her mind for me to go to church and until my mom came home and I ask can I go to church and she said yea, yea, YEA!

Because I understood that I had to obey mom because if say I can’t go to church then I can’t but praise God that he answered my prayer

 

[ushalk]

chad i hope that you do not mind if i add a little to your statement above. the catholic church did not even break off of any other christian church. at the fall of the roman empire, rome needed to come up with a new way of becoming a world power again. however this time they did it just as the bible states without any war whatsoever. that is right they went and saw how popular christianity was becoming in those days and they came up with the roman catholic church. the first pope was never peter but i believe it was a general from the roman army or something like that anyway. the roman catholic church was not the first church either. the first false church yes i am positive. the whole thing with the roman catholic church is garbage.

now as far as mary being a demon, i would have to disagree with that. i believe she has deserved to be honored as the bible says. but worshipped, prayed to and now the aparisions of her that people are seeing of her. she is supposedly coming down and telling people that she is the way of salvation. let me tell you what the word of god states about the false prophet and him making people to worship the image of the beast. oh yes that is what the word of god states. there will be great things shown in the sky by the beast.

the baptism of the catholic church is wrong. there is no sprinkling of the head nor is there baby baptism in the bible anywhere. millions are being deceived by these bluntant lies of christ and hid gospel.

 

[Chad]

Brother ushalk, excellent response. I agree, the catholic style of baptising is ridiculous and unbiblical. Show me where it makes sense that a baby is to understand the purpose of baptism. Baptism is the outward expession of one accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and confessing themselves as sinners. How is a baby to do this?

Baptism is also "not like salvation". Two different things entirely. As for honoring Mary, yes you honor her for *who* she was, the human [sinner] mother of the Messiah, Jesus Christ [sinless human side, divine Son of GOD]. You *do not* worship her, pray to her, nor pray to saints.

Let me shout this out and overly emphasize that...

Mary did not pay the price for your sin! She was not flogged, beaten, spat on for your sins! She never claimed deity, never claimed to be sinless! Mary did not get nailed to the cross and take on the physical and spiritual torture for your sins!

Is the above truth not enough? Let's look at what the only Son of GOD says...

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me"

Any person who tries to sway around John 14:6 with excuses to praying to saints or Mary is nothing short of selfish towards Jesus Himself who paid the price of our guilt. Do not let pride get in the way of accepting truth for what it is. Would you try to sway around the truth face to face with Christ Himself? I sure doubt it.

 

[ushalk]

awesome chad, also in john 3:18 jesus states, those who believe in me are saved but those who do not believe in me are codemned, because they have not believed in the name of the only begotten son of god. it says nothing about mary or other saints or any garments, buying indulgences or anything else for that matter. it states very clearly that the name of jesus is the only name which we are saved by. this can also be found in acts 4:12.

 

[Chad]

Awesome brother! I can't believe I forgot John 3:18, that's crazy of me :shock:

Acts 4:12

12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

John 3:18

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.